Would Jagr have won the Art Ross without Lemieux in 1995-96 and 2000-01?

[Felidae]

We all know Jagr was capable of winning the Art Ross without Lemieux, he did after all win the one the year before. But 1995-96 is probably a top 3 season of his career from a purely statistical perspective.

but it was preceded and followed by 3 of his "weaker" prime seasons before he peaked in 1998-99 and 1999-00, the 2 seasons he created the most separation between himself and his competition.

Without Lemieux, do you think he separates himself from the pack to the same degree and still reaches 140+ points?


As for 2000-01, this one is probably more iffy. From what I remember, he was a PPG and not in the art Ross race before Lemieux came back, though he proceeded to outproduce Lemieux in the games they played together.

So what do you think? And how would an Art Ross in 1995-96 and 2000-01 without Lemieux affect his legacy?

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[Crosby2010]

I pick that he wins in 1996 but not 2001. He also is shy of 140 in 1996. He had 149, which I figure you have to throw in the Lemieux factor for at least 10 points, but certainly not much more. Jagr was a force back then, just completely on fire. And Sakic is next at 120 and no question about it Jagr outpoints him in 1996 without Mario.

However, it is flipped in 2001. Sakic has 118 to Jagr's 121. Definitely the Lemieux factor plays a role here. 3 points is not that much and Jagr barely won the Art Ross as it was. So without Mario he loses more than those 3 points I think.

 

[MadLuke]

Before Lemieux return:

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Fleury: 51 pts
Sakic: 48 pts, avs had 46 games lefts
Jagr.: 37 pts, pens had 46 games lefts

Not out of reach for Jagr but a good 11 pts lead.

In 2000 in his last 46 games, Jagr scored 63 pts, that really great, but that would push him "only" at 100 pts if he would repeat that feat.

95-96, the one that challenged him in that era was Lindros and he was usually missing games...

 

[The Panther]

I pick that he wins in 1996 but not 2001. He also is shy of 140 in 1996. He had 149, which I figure you have to throw in the Lemieux factor for at least 10 points, but certainly not much more. Jagr was a force back then, just completely on fire. And Sakic is next at 120 and no question about it Jagr outpoints him in 1996 without Mario.

However, it is flipped in 2001. Sakic has 118 to Jagr's 121. Definitely the Lemieux factor plays a role here. 3 points is not that much and Jagr barely won the Art Ross as it was. So without Mario he loses more than those 3 points I think.

This all seems correct.

The Pens probably still had a good PP without Mario in 1995-96, but Mario was the main-man. You have to figure Jagr and Francis drop 10-20 points without Mario on it. But Jagr still wins in 1995-96 (as he'd done in 1995).

 

[MadLuke]

In 95-96, if we call Sakic his biggest competition, Jagr did beat him by 33 pts at even strength, only 1 pts on the powerplay.

The year before Jagr beat sakic by 8 pts at EV and they were tie at the powerplay (look very similar to 1996)

iN 1997 Sakic did beat Jagr on the pp per 11 pts.

In 1998 Jagr did lead the league in Power play points...

All that to say, with Lemieux having the puck so much, not sure if it helped Jagr PP pts that much that year and he had a lot of room (33pts) to play with.