Would any of you undo the Romanov trade ?

Future type of trade for Dach was idiotic at worst and quite a far fetched gamble at best. I could think of several better options at that time including doing nothing. That said if we don't have Dach when PLD is looking for a new deal, then we don't have an option to get a 2nd C right? We didn't even pulled that trigger.

The Romanov trade and subsequent Dach obsession is a string of pretty questionable moves, in hindsight, when it's all over and Dach is no more a member of the org, I'm pretty sure the majority would undo it all if they could.

We are certainly on different pages then because I have already made it clear in a post in terms of the profile I'd like to see as the habs 2nd line C as a compliment to Suzuki. The profile is basically what dach could have become with respect to the tools and size.
 
In hindsight, sure. At the time, I was fine with it.
Was going to post this verbatim.
But thinking about it more, I wouldn't change a thing. Any change in the past also changes the odds we end up with a guy like Demidov.
With better D, we let in less goals, no? Maybe instead of bottom 5 we finish bottom 7 both those years...

It's not that simplistic, but whatever lol
 
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Not accurate - as Lebrun has stated multiple times the deal was the second 1st round pick for Zegras but when Hage was available Hughes declined the deal, as the Habs wanted Hage
Once they had Demidov the need for Zegras was less, so Hage looked like the better option. If they had taken a D, or a long term project, at 5OA they might have traded for Zegras.

In hindsight a lot of those picks look better than a retired Dach, but, even in hindsight, I'm not sure who I'd want between 13 and the habs next pick. There are some interesting picks, but I'm not sure any would be more useful to the habs than Romanov. There are some good players, definitely.
 
We are certainly on different pages then because I have already made it clear in a post in terms of the profile I'd like to see as the habs 2nd line C as a compliment to Suzuki. The profile is basically what dach could have become with respect to the tools and size.
That's arguable, because Dach was already on watch for #1 injuries and #2 laziness. The profile didn't match imho.

Edit: A profile which matched ( taking on tough match ups, playing defensive was PLD ... ). Dach never did this anywhere could not demonstrate that he could reach such a rank and obviously was a waste of time.
 
With hindsight as to the outcome for both players and the career derailment due to injury for Dach, of course you don't do the trade, though you might still acquire the pick for Romanov.

In the same context, absent current knowledge, of course you make the trade; it was am excellent gamble. I was wrong to condemn it at the time because we dealt from a position of strength to acquire a desperate need that, had it panned out, would have given us a high-quality center line.
 
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That's arguable, because Dach was already on watch for #1 injuries and #2 laziness. The profile didn't match imho.

Players are deemed injury prone until they are not. Alfredsson is an example that comes to mind right away who couldn't stay healthy early in his career, so it could go either way at that particular stage of his career.

I see the term "lazy" being tossed around for guys his size.

Heck even smaller guys like Suzuki who people have called fat when the points are not showing up. When the points are going in, the narrative shift to him being thick in a certain part of his body.
 
Players are deemed injury prone until they are not. Alfredsson is an example that comes to mind right away who couldn't stay healthy early in his career, so it could go either way at that particular stage of his career.

I see the term "lazy" being tossed around for guys his size.

Heck even smaller guys like Suzuki who people have called fat when the points are not showing up. When the points are going in, the narrative shift to him being thick in a certain part of his body.
Not it's not just size... It's players who float around the ice not giving the extra steps to make plays. Dach always qualified in my book and never had the skill set to overcome it. Guys like Suzuki are just far more talented and can still play around without that extra step and even then, you'll notice when Suzuki is on his game he usually wins the 50/50 pucks. That's something I've always disliked about Dach, before and after the acquisition.

It comes down to this: I don't think our Pro Scout had an informed opinion enough to sacrifice Romanov with the objective of acquiring Dach. That was just awkward and not a very good gamble. If they could have acquired Dach without sacrificing Romanov, it might have made the trade less disappointing.
 
Not it's not just size... It's players who float around the ice not giving the extra steps to make plays. Dach always qualified in my book and never had the skill set to overcome it. Guys like Suzuki are just far more talented and can still play around without that extra step and even then, you'll notice when Suzuki is on his game he usually wins the 50/50 pucks. That's something I've always disliked about Dach, before and after the acquisition.

It comes down to this: I don't think our Pro Scout had an informed opinion enough to sacrifice Romanov with the objective of acquiring Dach. That was just awkward and not a very good gamble. If they could have acquired Dach without sacrificing Romanov, it might have made the trade less disappointing.

Well, if the pro scouting didn't perform their due diligence, that is an issue.

With dach, it's just unfortunate because things barely got off the ground being shut down in each of the three seasons here due to injury.

I'm generally happy with the direction this organization has taken and I know nobody bats 1.000. I hope they can find that profile elsewhere and it sticks this time.

It's also funny how opinions can differ. That first season i used to remark often how dach is able to make real estate fo himself and how that game would bode well in the playoffs. But he never got back to it this year and last year was a write off.
 
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Well, if the pro scouting didn't perform their due diligence, that is an issue.

With dach, it's just unfortunate because things barely got off the ground being shut down in each of the three seasons here due to injury.

I'm generally happy with the direction this organization has taken and I know nobody bats 1.000. I hope they can find that profile elsewhere and it sticks this time.

It's also funny how opinions can differ. That first season i used to remark often how dach is able to make real estate fo himself and how that game would bode well in the playoffs. But he never got back to it this year and last year was a write off.
Maybe it's just different when he's used on the wing? There's less ice to cover and therefor he's just more inclined to use it.

So if we want him as a center, then we'd need to get a defensive winger with experience, but again the Scouting went after Laine. Not a bad acquisition, but I don't see how he fits with Dach long term at all.
 
When Dach was healthy he was very good. Problem is he can't stay healthy. He is still young and has time.
My book is still not closed on Dach. There have been other players like Markov and Koivu who had a lot of injuries and then came back to help us. Dach is still young. I am hoping he can turn it around and remain a very good player for us.
 
So who could we have picked at 13th OA in that 2022 draft? Is he in the NHL now?
The player Chicago drafted, Nazar, has 24 pts in 54 games. Kulich (Buffalo @28th) has 23 pts. Aside form Hutson, no other player taken after Nazar has more than 10 pts. There's only a handful of guys between Nazar and Hutson to have played more than 25-30 games.

And yes, points aren't everything but it's fair to suggest that had the Habs traded Romanov and used the 13th pick for themselves, the player they'd have drafted wouldn't have been a big contributor right now.
 
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It was worth the risk. But you would be straight up a lying fanboy if you don’t think undoing that trade benefits us

Indeed.

Kinda like if I could go back in time and be an early investor in {insert any number of companies} instead of putting a downpayment on my first house.

Unfortunately, time and decision making doesn't work that way.

At the time, it was a good decision. Hindsight doesn't change anything about that.
 
I was happy with the trade, would have needed a time machine to guess the output.

I always liked Romanov. So enthusiastic and tough.

It looks as though the search for the Robert Lang replacement continues…
 
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At the start of last season, pre injury, it really looked like Dach was only a few steps behind Suzuki. It's really a shame his body letting him down.
 
At the moment of the trade, I was pretty happy with it, because I tought that Dach was the answer for the "2nd Center" shit we seems unable to do something about it


With hindsight. of course we'd undo it
Romo is an effective top 4 defenseman, we would currently run Matheson - Guhle - Romanov as our left defensive squad, this is pretty OP IMO
On the other hand, Dach is good, not great, when he's not hurt. Sadly, he's always hurt.
 
Yes I would. Start of the year everyone was ragging on 3rd line players among others, that they were worthless, guess what fools, they all are having very good years. In fact everyone on the team has stepped up, only player that's been garbage is Dach.
 
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He had a wrist injury that Chicago badly mismanaged and there was bad blood on both sides. That’s why he was available.

The Canadiens did their due diligence on the wrist and determined that it wasn’t a concern. They turned out to be right on this.

The leg injury was a fluke. Could’ve happened to any player. You can’t predict that.
Of course when an injury prone player gets injured it's always fluke. It keeps happening to the same guys how strange.

The wrist injury should have been a yellow flag. We do not know whether they did their due diligence but it's definitely the reason why Chicago made him available.
 
Of course when an injury prone player gets injured it's always fluke. It keeps happening to the same guys how strange.
He wasn’t injury prone. He had a wrist injury that was mismanaged.

Again, the Canadiens did their diligence and concluded that it wasn’t an issue. They were right.
The wrist injury should have been a yellow flag. We do not know whether they did their due diligence but it's definitely the reason why Chicago made him available.
The wrist injury was a risk. But one worth taking.

Every player in the league has one injury to or another. He was a 21 or 22 year old prospect with tons of potential.

The knee injury was not predictable.
 

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