Would any of you undo the Romanov trade ?

[Whitesnake]

Geez at this point do the Romanov trade...but pick Nazar...

It's clear we lost that one no matter how you look at it...keep the pick.....or trade the pick for something else than we got. Or keep Romanov. Kid is a very good d-man ESPECIALLY build for the playoffs. The idea to get a huge centerman was greater than any of those things for Hughes....Just knowing that Chicago had no problem trading him while being in the process of a rebuild said a lot...and still says a lot.

 

[Mrb1p]

I mean Hutson, matheson and guhle are better than Romanov. So he'd just be another LD playing on the right.

If anything I'd undo the dach trade and use the 13th. But seeing how they took mesar I don't think we'd have gotten anyone good. And if we effect the draft order at all in the first maybe we don't get Hutson at 62 again.

So probably the only move I undo is newhook.

Romanov is clearly better than Matheson.

Romanov can also effectively play the right side.

 

[Whitesnake]

With the benefit of hindsight, Dach wasn't the right player to target, but trading one of our many young Dmen to find that elusive center was the proper approach IMO. We lost that gamble, but it was worth trying, in short.

Still wondering how it was the right approach to deal a tough d-man, great skater, build for playoffs for a huge question mark....the IDEA of Dach was enticing....but CLEARLY Chicago knew better even while in rebuild. And frankly, even if you completely disregard the injuries...or even the passing and scoring abilities or lack thereof...I do not understand how you can sell so much for a player clearly known for his lack of effort and no desire to huge that big body of his to make a difference.....

We sold proven for unknown. I will be consequent and say that just like my drafting strategy...I will always choose BPA so that LATER ON we trade for PROVEN commodities. I don't think you often win when you are the team that acquires question marks. Better to go proven for proven....or be the one who sells question marks....

 

[Kshahdoo]

I mean Hutson, matheson and guhle are better than Romanov. So he'd just be another LD playing on the right.

If anything I'd undo the dach trade and use the 13th. But seeing how they took mesar I don't think we'd have gotten anyone good. And if we effect the draft order at all in the first maybe we don't get Hutson at 62 again.

So probably the only move I undo is newhook.

Lol, are you joking?

 

[Miller Time]

Still wondering how it was the right approach to deal a tough d-man, great skater, build for playoffs for a huge question mark....the IDEA of Dach was enticing....but CLEARLY Chicago knew better even while in rebuild. And frankly, even if you completely disregard the injuries...or even the passing and scoring abilities or lack thereof...I do not understand how you can sell so much for a player clearly known for his lack of effort and no desire to huge that big body of his to make a difference.....

We sold proven for unknown. I will be consequent and say that just like my drafting strategy...I will always choose BPA so that LATER ON we trade for PROVEN commodities. I don't think you often win when you are the team that acquires question marks. Better to go proven for proven....or be the one who sells question marks....

Can I get the lotto numbers for this week?

Pretty Please

 

[salbutera]

Still wondering how it was the right approach to deal a tough d-man, great skater, build for playoffs for a huge question mark....the IDEA of Dach was enticing....but CLEARLY Chicago knew better even while in rebuild. And frankly, even if you completely disregard the injuries...or even the passing and scoring abilities or lack thereof...I do not understand how you can sell so much for a player clearly known for his lack of effort and no desire to huge that big body of his to make a difference.....

We sold proven for unknown. I will be consequent and say that just like my drafting strategy...I will always choose BPA so that LATER ON we trade for PROVEN commodities. I don't think you often win when you are the team that acquires question marks. Better to go proven for proven....or be the one who sells question marks....

Simple Romanov’s ceiling was a known (re:limited 2nd pairing defensive Dman), whereas Dach was higher potential ceiling in a big body

This was Gorton trying to pull off another Zibanejad type C find

 

[26Mats]

Even without considering Mesar, looking at the middle of that round there's nothing substantial prospect wise. Lots of overhyped prospects that aren't meeting expectations though. The fact that they even did the Dach trade kind of suggests they didn't like what was available at 13.

Most of the board wanted Kulich and they clearly had Mesar above him so I wouldn't expect they would have grabbed whoever had the best post-draft years at 13, like Snuggerud went 10 picks later. McGroarty went 14th but if they really liked him I am not sure they even trade for Dach. It wasn't dropping Romanov specifically for Dach, it was capitalizing on Romanov's value for a perceived logjam at LD and getting the best asset in return. They thought it was Dach. Which means they weren't very bullish on the potential of the guys ranked in the middle of the first round. Mesar was a bit of a reach too and they thought he and Hutson had huge warts but good potential. Beck was the "safe" pick.

Anyways I doubt we end up with Hutson if we'd had an extra first. Maybe they take Nazar at 13th then and don't grab Mesar later, changing the entire order of the end of the first/second rounds. Maybe someone else had Hutson second on their list but gets moved to first before 62. Or maybe getting the extra forward at 13 means they grab Beck earlier and then reach on Luneau or Casey at 31; leaving them not to gamble on Hutson.

Hughes said in an interview it was Romanov for Dach. He said they targeted Dach and Chicago wanted a first. So, they went looking to see how they could get a 1st. They were willing to trade Romanov since they had a surplus of LD's, and the Isles wanted Romanov. Lamoriello said in an interview the Habs approached him as they were looking for another 1st round pick.

I've never heard an interview where Hughes said they were looking to trade Romanov right away that summer because of the LD surplus projected for the future. That was before training camp when Harris, Xhekaj, and Guhle surprisingly made the team out of camp. And it was before they traded Petry for Matheson.

 

[vokiel]

In an instant.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

Still wondering how it was the right approach to deal a tough d-man, great skater, build for playoffs for a huge question mark....the IDEA of Dach was enticing....but CLEARLY Chicago knew better even while in rebuild. And frankly, even if you completely disregard the injuries...or even the passing and scoring abilities or lack thereof...I do not understand how you can sell so much for a player clearly known for his lack of effort and no desire to huge that big body of his to make a difference.....

We sold proven for unknown. I will be consequent and say that just like my drafting strategy...I will always choose BPA so that LATER ON we trade for PROVEN commodities. I don't think you often win when you are the team that acquires question marks. Better to go proven for proven....or be the one who sells question marks....

I'd argue Dach had just enough intrigue back then to make you think he could figure it out, plus the injury factor wasn't yet the giant issue it became. But like I said, they got it wrong in the end, he wasn't the correct guy to target, no doubt about that now.

 

[austin316]

I understand and approve the calculated risk for the trade at the time. It made sense. However, looking back, this trade was a clear loss for us.

 

[Ezpz]

Lol, are you joking?

Guhle is literally just a younger, better version of Romanov. Best case scenario they're equal, with Guhle still being younger.

You can argue the merits of OFD vs DFD for Matheson. Not a lot of D are capable of having 62 point seasons. I'd rather have Romanov now that we have Hutson, but I'm not going to say Romanov is objectively better. Habs are in the playoffs, Isles are not. Romanov is the #4D on long island. Habs and Isles have essentially the same numbers of goals against while the Isles have a top 3 goalie in the league and the Habs don't even have a verifiable starter. Evidence points that the Habs D are better.

 

[Whitesnake]

Simple Romanov’s ceiling was a known (re:limited 2nd pairing defensive Dman), whereas Dach was higher potential ceiling in a big body

This was Gorton trying to pull off another Zibenajad type C find

If we talk on players acquired, not picks, so not the whole trades themselves....

UNKNOWN: On value, we missed on Dach. Missed on Newhook. Missed on Gurianov. Missed on Barron.. Missed on Heineman.

KNOWN: But we won on Carrier, won on Laine.

NOTE: I'm not saying we lost the Toffoli trade. 'Cause I do know that we got a 1st too for Toffoli. But players involved, I,m saying that known vs unknown, Hughes-Gorton have a losing record. No wins. They should stop doing that. And concentrate in handing OUR unknown to others for their known...it's time.

 

[JoelWarlord]

Loved Romanov when he was here but don't really mind. Today I'd rather have Romanov in Struble's place I guess but I'd never regret taking a swing on Dach's profile for the cost of a #4 at our deepest prospect position.

 

[JianYang]

Of course you would in retrospect. But when you do future type of trades, you have to accept that there is inherently a significant risk that things won't pan out the way you had anticipated.

 

[c3z4r]

I wouldn't undo the Romanov trade, we've already got too many LHD and prospects in the pipeline; but I would 100% undo the Dach trade.

I feel like the 13th overall could've been packaged for a much better return or even selecting Nazar would've yielded a better outcome overall.

 

[salbutera]

If we talk on players acquired, not picks, so not the whole trades themselves....

UNKNOWN: On value, we missed on Dach. Missed on Newhook. Missed on Gurianov. Missed on Barron.. Missed on Heineman.

KNOWN: But we won on Carrier, won on Laine.

NOTE: I'm not saying we lost the Toffoli trade. 'Cause I do know that we got a 1st too for Toffoli. But players involved, I,m saying that known vs unknown, Hughes-Gorton have a losing record. No wins. They should stop doing that. And concentrate in handing OUR unknown to others for their known...it's time.

I’m only trying to provide reasoning on the “why”..

MBs weakness was draft table, HuGo’s weakness (thus far) seems to be pro player transactions (MBs strength)

 

[Ezpz]

He had a wrist injury that Chicago badly mismanaged and there was bad blood on both sides. That’s why he was available.

The Canadiens did their due diligence on the wrist and determined that it wasn’t a concern. They turned out to be right on this.

The leg injury was a fluke. Could’ve happened to any player. You can’t predict that.

Sometimes you can. Like when the Habs predicted Chelios' knee would mean his career would be short. So they sold high for a guy they could have drafted a decade prior, and Chelios barely played after that; only 21 more seasons.


Then fans coped by running with sex scandal rumours for decades.

 

[salbutera]

Sometimes you can. Like when the Habs predicted Chelios' knee would mean his career would be short. So they sold high for a guy they could have drafted a decade prior, and Chelios barely played after that; only 21 more seasons.


Then fans coped by running with sex scandal rumours for decades.

Doesn’t mean BOTH weren’t accurate …

 

[Whitesnake]

He had a wrist injury that Chicago badly mismanaged and there was bad blood on both sides. That’s why he was available.

The Canadiens did their due diligence on the wrist and determined that it wasn’t a concern. They turned out to be right on this.

The leg injury was a fluke. Could’ve happened to any player. You can’t predict that.

Remove the injury bug. Add the type of player he is. Dach was never known for this hard working kid. Never known for a guy with somewhat of a mean streak. Never known to use his body. I'm telling you that he's not the type of player that administration would draft if they had a choice....but we acquired him anyway. Dach is Pierre Dagenais with a lot more hope.....but still hope to this point. Hopefully it transforms into something else.

 

[Miller Time]

I’m only trying to provide reasoning on the “why”..

MBs weakness was draft table, HuGo’s weakness (thus far) seems to be pro player transactions (MBs strength)

Matheson and Monahan were better pro player trade "wins" than any of MBs trades imo. The Vanek deal comes close, but we only got a few months of value out of that.

I don't quite see how MB's "pro player" transactions could be considered better. Weber / PK, regardless of wether one liked or disliked the trade, involved trading away our best asset. His ufa signings were more bust than success.

Dach & Newhook deals haven't panned out great yet, though neither player is a finished product yet...on the flip side, Drouin, MBs only real ELC pro player acquisition iirc was a much bigger fail than either Dach or Newhook imo.

 

[Mrb1p]

LD or not, Romanov has a lot more value than Dach, who had negative value at this point.

 

[Whitesnake]

I just went back and saw a scouting report on him by a guy on wingsnation.....you'd think you read a report out of 2025...

NHL Draft Prospect Profile #23: Kirby Dach

One of the more controversial players among my rankings, Kirby Dach to...

wingsnation.com

 

[salbutera]

Matheson and Monahan were better pro player trade "wins" than any of MBs trades imo. The Vanek deal comes close, but we only got a few months of value out of that.

I don't quite see how MB's "pro player" transactions could be considered better. Weber / PK, regardless of wether one liked or disliked the trade, involved trading away our best asset. His ufa signings were more bust than success.

Dach & Newhook deals haven't panned out great yet, though neither player is a finished product yet...on the flip side, Drouin, MBs only real ELC pro player acquisition iirc was a much bigger fail than either Dach or Newhook imo.

Weise for Diaz, Danault, Vanek, Petry acquisitions were highway robberies in the mold of Courtnall for Kordic

I agree the Matheson for Petry + Poehling was an excellent transaction

 

[Miller Time]

Weise for Diaz, Danault, Vanek, Petry acquisitions were highway robberies in the mold of Courtnall for Kordic

And none better than the Monahan steal and the Matheson / Petry deals.

I agree the Matheson for Petry + Poehling was an excellent transaction

MB did certainly have a few good transactions over his 10 years... I just dont think it's fair to suggest he was more effective in pro player transactions when his misses far outnumbered his hits and KHs low volume interactions have already turned up 2 better than any of his predecessor

 

[salbutera]

And none better than the Monahan steal and the Matheson / Petry deals.



MB did certainly have a few good transactions over his 10 years... I just dont think it's fair to suggest he was more effective in pro player transactions when his misses far outnumbered his hits and KHs low volume interactions have already turned up 2 better than any of his predecessor

I miss Drouin, we as every talking head states & I agree with Weber for Subban was a clear Habs win. Whether that was the right strategic move vs angling for picks is another matter.

Monahan deal was a fantastic transaction but for picks not a pro player acquisition but met the strategic intent of a rebuilding team