Worst trade? Zibanejad / Duchene / Karlsson / Pacioretty / Forsberg

[Tufted Titmouse]

Which trade was the worse?

For a long time it was Forsberg. Then, I think the Duchene/Byram deal started to get more press....Stutzle suddenly making the Karlsson deal look horrendous.

However, watching Zibanejad now....it might be that deal now. Zibanjead might be a top 10 C by the end of this season.

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[centipede2233]

Zib trade then forsberg trade.

also interesting dorion was in on 3 of those trades

 

[Nikolajs Sillers]

Thanks god Thomphson broke out.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Which trade was the worse?

For a long time it was Forsberg. Then, I think the Duchene/Byram deal started to get more press....Stutzle suddenly making the Karlsson deal look horrendous.

However, watching Zibanejad now....it might be that deal now. Zibanjead might be a top 10 C by the end of this season.

Forsberg or Karlsson, I’d say
Brassard helped Senators get a goal from cup final, so not as bad as other ones.

Interesting that the leaf Poster putting 3 senators trades in mix of 5.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

that Fosberg trade was garbage the second it was made.

Zib trade was a gamble that paid off for the Rangers, but at the time it wasn't seen as a home run.

 

[Mr Kot]

I honestly pick the Karlson trade. Those are a lot of rebuilding pieces that SJ could desperately use right about now, but are in hell for a not so insignificant amount of time.

 

[bert]

Zib trade then forsberg trade.

also interesting dorion was in on 3 of those trades

Brassard was good for Ottawa then they turned him into assets a 1st and gustavsson. Really not that bad of a deal.

The worst one is still the Forsberg for Erat deal.

Karlsson one is in the running though. His contract has negative value and the sens have Stutzle and Norris.

Its funny that Dorion is involved in three of these trades.

The Stone for Brannstrom trade should be here too. To me as a sens fan that ones worse than the Zibanejad Brassard deal.

 

[Painful Quandary]

Forsberg was bad and did not make sense at the time; Erat was not going to be the difference for the Caps as a rental. The Zibanejad trade is a close second that made little sense beyond ownership not wanting to pay Zibanejad.

Karlsson looks bad due to hindsight and his current contract. San Jose made the conference final with Karlsson. Martin Jones turning into the worst goalie in the league at the time is what makes it really brutal.

The Pacioretty one is similar as well, Tatar was not working out for Vegas and they were legitimately in win-now mode.

The Duchene trade was a gamble for Ottawa that just did not pay off. They were looking to take a step back, but falling off a cliff was completely unexpected.

 

[Xspyrit]

Karlsson return is :

Dylan DeMelo
Chris Tierney
Rūdolfs Balcers
Joshua Norris
2020 1st round pick (SJS - #3 - Tim Stützle)
2021 2nd round pick (SJS - #39 - Zack Ostapchuk)
2019 2nd round pick (FLA - #44) : Ottawa added a 3rd to move up and draft Mads Sogaard

Note that it could have been even better, IF :

- they kept DeMelo (could still use him now, instead of a revolving door of bad RDs) instead of trading him for a 3rd
- they traded Chris Tierney at peak value (I was clamoring to trade him in the 2019 offseason)
- they kept Rudolfs Balcers and built a bit of value (they chose to keep Cedric Paquette lol)

also interesting dorion was in on 3 of those trades

One thing for sure is you never get bored with him

Oh and like Bert mentioned, Stone for Brannstrom + 2nd too

Thanks god Thomphson broke out.

Care to explain?

 

[Conbon]

Karlsson return is :

Dylan DeMelo
Chris Tierney
Rūdolfs Balcers
Joshua Norris
2020 1st round pick (SJS - #3 - Tim Stützle)
2021 2nd round pick (SJS - #39 - Zack Ostapchuk)
2019 2nd round pick (FLA - #44) : Ottawa added a 3rd to move up and draft Mads Sogaard

Note that it could have been even better, IF :

- they kept DeMelo (could still use him now, instead of a revolving door of bad RDs) instead of trading him for a 3rd
- they traded Chris Tierney at peak value (I was clamoring to trade him in the 2019 offseason)
- they kept Rudolfs Balcers and built a bit of value (they chose to keep Cedric Paquette lol)



One thing for sure is you never get bored with him

Oh and like Bert mentioned, Stone for Brannstrom + 2nd too



Care to explain?

O'Rielly trade

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

What was Ottawa thinking trading Zibanenjack

 

[Xspyrit]

What was Ottawa thinking trading Zibanenjack

That was Pierre Dorion first move when he became GM in 2016. They were in full rebuild mode not even 2 years later lol

O'Rielly trade

Ok thanks because I have no idea who "Thomphson" is

 

[KevinRedkey]

Kalrsson's turned out the worst, but I don't think it was that bad when it was done.
Forsberg for Erat on the other hand, made no sense from day 1.

 

[biturbo19]

Kalrsson's turned out the worst, but I don't think it was that bad when it was done.
Forsberg for Erat on the other hand, made no sense from day 1.

Yeah. Some of these other trades obviously turned bad over time...but most of them at the time, were at least somewhat fair seeming. Or the guy was seen as a real "star" or "impact player" at the time. The Erat deal was like...he was a very middling guy even at the time, and Forsberg was a really promising prospect with huge upside. It was just really bad from the start, and only got worse over time.

 

[amnesiac]

Karlsson considering the contract that they WOULDVE had to pay

I mean, Stutzle AND Norris..... Ill take bith of them them over one of: Forsberg, Zibanejad, Byram, Suzuki

 

[Bouboumaster]

On the spot: Forsberg Trade

But with hindisight, it has to be the Karlsson Trade I would say.
Out: 11.5M of big whole nothing
In: Basically their current core

 

[bert]

Forsberg was bad and did not make sense at the time; Erat was not going to be the difference for the Caps as a rental. The Zibanejad trade is a close second that made little sense beyond ownership not wanting to pay Zibanejad.

Karlsson looks bad due to hindsight and his current contract. San Jose made the conference final with Karlsson. Martin Jones turning into the worst goalie in the league at the time is what makes it really brutal.

The Pacioretty one is similar as well, Tatar was not working out for Vegas and they were legitimately in win-now mode.

The Duchene trade was a gamble for Ottawa that just did not pay off. They were looking to take a step back, but falling off a cliff was completely unexpected.

This is not an accurate depiction whatsoever.

 

[Mrb1p]

Ff9 for free for sure

 

[Machinehead]

Still Forsberg.

At the time of the Zibanejad trade, many, many Rangers fans were pissed off. It's easy to forget now that Brassard was coming off his best season and was a 1B center.

Lots of trades end up being poor with the benefit of hindsight. It takes a special kind of bad for everyone on the planet except for the GM who made it to go "WTF" the day it was made.

 

[Marmoset]

Still Forsberg.

At the time of the Zibanejad trade, many, many Rangers fans were pissed off. It's easy to forget now that Brassard was coming off his best season and was a 1B center.

Lots of trades end up being poor with the benefit of hindsight. It takes a special kind of bad for everyone on the planet except for the GM who made it to go "WTF" the day it was made.

That's it right there. The moment the Forsberg/Erat deal was announced the entire NHL community collectively thought "What?!?!"

 

[The Crypto Guy]

that Fosberg trade was garbage the second it was made.

Zib trade was a gamble that paid off for the Rangers, but at the time it wasn't seen as a home run.

I seem to remember different, i remember the Ranger board being ecstatic we got Zib and a 2nd for him.

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

Forsberg I say. Forsberg trade equivalent will never happen again. I could see the Zibanejad trade possibly happening but unlikely.

Karlsson trade seemed amazing for SJ at the time. Karlsson was a superstar player, but it could end up being the most lopsided one.

 

[PavelBrendl]

Easily Forsberg. It was bad then, and looks even worse now.
Getting Forsberg at 11 was a windfall for Washington and they just gave it away.

 

[NyQuil]

What's frustrating about the Zibanejad trade is that he was always projected to be a bit of a late bloomer because he had this very raw skill set.

It's possible that getting traded is what accelerated that process, but I still think he'd have developed quite nicely in Ottawa as well.

The Senators just didn't have the patience.

All this circulating talk about his "commitment to hockey" in Ottawa, his DJing gig getting a lot of attention, and you have to recognize that living in a hockey town can have its downsides as well.

I suppose we'll never know whether that was a good kick to the rear, or whether he was on the verge of breaking out regardless. But it still took him a couple of seasons in New York.

 

[Sergei Shirokov]

Stiff competition here, you can make a good case for most of these.

It's Forsberg. Erat was a rental that made no impact & he wasn't even a great player to target anyways.