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Worst FA Signing of All Time

Worst FA Signing of All Time

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Paul4587 said:
Stoners contract term was completely unjustifiable though. 4 years at 3.5 for a number 6 dman was ridiculous, especially when we already had Allen who was the exact same player on the roster with only a year left.
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I’m definitely not going to disagree with any of that. You know where I stood on Stoner...classic Murray overpaying for mediocrity. But he was also like 28 when he signed that deal. Souray was something crazy like 36 I believe with extensive injury history. One is clearly worse than the other
 
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I see that people lack all kinds of nuance when comparing Stoner and Shattenkirk. Stoner had the luxury of playing 3rd pairing minutes with a top 4 defenseman. Put him in Shattenkirk's current position and feel confident that the results would be even worse. Stoner was also given one more year at a higher salary when the cap was lower. It's really not even close.
 
You have to look at the entire period of the contract, or at least the time the player was with the Ducks, to evaluate the success or failure of the contract. It is impossible to rate the Shattenkirk contract until it is over. Who knows, although unlikely in his second or third year he could have an excellent season. Stoner was fine, although overpaid his first year. After that is was three wasted years of salary.
 
I don't see how Shattenkirk's is the worst tbh. He sucks, but the team was going to suck either way and it helps us really given the teams ultimate goals right now.

While I think Stoner had a better career with Anaheim then some players on the list - IMO his contract was worse as it was expensive both in terms of length and money for a 3rd pairing guy when we were trying to be competitive and potentially restricted moves we could have made during that period. I mean at one point he was the 7th most expensive player on the team while we were a contender, insanity.

Main thing I've taken away from this is that our UFA signings really haven't been all that terrible - it's not like we have any 6+ year contracts that cripple us for the better part of a decade.
 
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mightyquack said:
I don't see how Shattenkirk's is the worst tbh. He sucks, but the team was going to suck either way and it helps us really given the teams ultimate goals right now.

While I think Stoner had a better career with Anaheim then some players on the list - IMO his contract was worse as it was expensive both in terms of length and money for a 3rd pairing guy when we were trying to be competitive and potentially restricted moves we could have made during that period. I mean at one point he was the 7th most expensive player on the team while we were a contender, insanity.

Main thing I've taken away from this is that our UFA signings really haven't been all that terrible - it's not like we have any 6+ year contracts that cripple us for the better part of a decade.
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Yeah this. Like we can argue there’s a Bryan Allen who should be included here or there, but if your big misses are guys like Shawn Horcoff, Dany Heatley and Andy Sutton, that’s a pretty inconsequential list.
 
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The Mighty Duck Man said:
That's not why either team bought them out and you're clueless if you're implying Tampa didn't want Shattenkirk back.
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I didn’t really follow Shattenkirk’s free agency or Tampa’s cap issues. Obviously they were unable/unwilling to sign him for what he got. Based on his play, I would say they dodged a bullet.

John
 
Man, some 'good' names come across this list. Brings me back to the days of Brett Festerling, Andrew Ebbett, Andrew Gordon etc..

I went with the unconventional pick with Morrison. The guy was supposed to be the next Andy McDonald, but he never really seemed to fill the shoes here.

Is the Bertuzzi hate because of the Moore incident or was there something else during his time here? I remember him being productive.
 
Smirnov2Chistov said:
Man, some 'good' names come across this list. Brings me back to the days of Brett Festerling, Andrew Ebbett, Andrew Gordon etc..

I went with the unconventional pick with Morrison. The guy was supposed to be the next Andy McDonald, but he never really seemed to fill the shoes here.

Is the Bertuzzi hate because of the Moore incident or was there something else during his time here? I remember him being productive.
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he wasn't as productive as expected playing alongside getzlaf, his contract didn't help with the team's cap issues at the time which resulted in losing mcdonald, and the moore incident was the cherry on top

i remember being pissed they signed him in the first place because of that
 
70sSanO said:
Come 2022-23 and everyone is moaning about cap space and needing to sign one of our kids, or a FA, there will be $5M tied up in a player who will probably be even less productive and slower than he is now. Or do you see him getting better with age?

John

John
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I don't see any realistic scenario where cap space is a problem in two years.
 
Smirnov2Chistov said:
Man, some 'good' names come across this list. Brings me back to the days of Brett Festerling, Andrew Ebbett, Andrew Gordon etc..

I went with the unconventional pick with Morrison. The guy was supposed to be the next Andy McDonald, but he never really seemed to fill the shoes here.

Is the Bertuzzi hate because of the Moore incident or was there something else during his time here? I remember him being productive.
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He was lazy, clashed with Carlyle and had a tendency to overpass the puck, no matter how good of a position he was in to shoot it. That said he was productive (played at a touch under a 50 pt pace) and did have a stretch where he went on a tear with Getzlaf and Perry.

I don't buy that Bertuzzi was the reason we traded McDonald. That was just a bad decision by Burke. Burke could have made other moves to get around the tagging issues we had when Nieds and Teemu come back. But he thought he saw an opportunity to make a hockey trade where we would be getting back a 2C for McDonald in Weight. Unfortunately for everyone Weight mailed it in and was an absolute anchor here, having no chemistry with anyone.
 
Paul4587 said:
He was lazy, clashed with Carlyle and had a tendency to overpass the puck, no matter how good of a position he was in to shoot it. That said he was productive (played at a touch under a 50 pt pace) and did have a stretch where he went on a tear with Getzlaf and Perry.

I don't buy that Bertuzzi was the reason we traded McDonald. That was just a bad decision by Burke. Burke could have made other moves to get around the tagging issues we had when Nieds and Teemu come back. But he thought he saw an opportunity to make a hockey trade where we would be getting back a 2C for McDonald in Weight. Unfortunately for everyone Weight mailed it in and was an absolute anchor here, having no chemistry with anyone.
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It did spawn the Bertoothy thing, which was funny but I don't remember what the hell it was about anymore.

edit - so I did a search and all the available posts that come up were made by me, referencing it years later, so apparently I've had this thought before. But I didn't come up with it - pretty sure it was the guy who like gambled professionally, whatever his name was. Anyway.
 
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The Mighty Duck Man said:
Well then don't talk out your ass next time and imply they wanted nothing to do with him.
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I’m not sure where that came from. My point was once a player has been bought out, rarely does that player get the kind of contract money and length Shattenkirk got from the Ducks.

Shattenkirk had a decent year with Tampa but he was playing on a stacked team, with Hedman, and that helps to shelter him, but was probably worth the less than $2M based on the team winning the cup. But he is not a good enough player to command any more and maybe not even that going forward, especially on a weaker team.

And now his true ability is showing up because he was never the PP QB on the Blues or Lightning.

John
 
70sSanO said:
I’m not sure where that came from. My point was once a player has been bought out, rarely does that player get the kind of contract money and length Shattenkirk got from the Ducks.

Shattenkirk had a decent year with Tampa but he was playing on a stacked team, with Hedman, and that helps to shelter him, but was probably worth the less than $2M based on the team winning the cup. But he is not a good enough player to command any more and maybe not even that going forward, especially on a weaker team.

And now his true ability is showing up because he was never the PP QB on the Blues or Lightning.

John
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Like I said, it came from you directly implying they didn't want him back. That's on you.

There have been guys who sign for decent money coming directly off a buyout, let alone after a bounce back year. [MOD]
 
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The Mighty Duck Man said:
Your point is also shit. There have been guys who sign for decent money coming directly off a buyout, let alone after a bounce back year. You clearly don't know really anything here, which is fine, but it's dumb to act like you do.
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You can go to Capfriendly and let me know those guys who sign for decent money directly off a buyout. I’m sure you’ll find a few.

I have more important things than scroll through the archives, not that you have any incentive so that statement is not on you.

John
 
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