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Burrowsaurus

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Be nice to add a whole line like Sennecke, Misa, Cristall
and a PP QB like Parekh


So Cameron finally makes a change that seemed obvious from the start

Their plan for the first line was to make it even more grinding lol.

How on earth do you leave Sennecke and misa at home. Now you’re desperately trying to find elite skill and scoring by cycling….. Beaudoin Howe and Yager.
 

aragorn

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Good to see the Canadians hitting in this game & being much more physical, that has to be Canada's game.
 

IpsoPostFacto

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I've been to the Canada matches, and I have a complaint about the 'cheering prompts' from the Organist, and it must be changed before the U.S game.

The CTC approved chant is basically: "Let's go Canada <clap> <clap> <clap."

I don't actually know how many claps you are supposed to shoehorn in there, and even if I did, there is a problem. Well, two problems.

The first is that 1 person might be able to pull of that chant, but 18,000 people cannot. It dissolves into a fog of a bunch of claps and "Canada" swimming around in the middle of it all.

The Second of course, is that the only approved chant for Canada is "Go Canada Go". It's simple, it scans well, and 18,000 can pull it off. (The only exception is the 1972 chant of "Nyet Nyet Soviet, Da Da Canada")
 
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Back in Black

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Bring on the Yanks....

Another New Years Eve Battle! :fight:


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PlayOn

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As if we drafted Gabriel Eliasson over Cole Hutson lmao.
To get real value out of a player like Hutson you need to have him on the PP.

Sens probably plan to have Sanderson and Yak running their PP units for awhile, so they likely made their picks accordingly.

I know people will say BPA, but I don’t think most teams actually follow that.
 

HSF

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To get real value out of a player like Hutson you need to have him on the PP.

Sens probably plan to have Sanderson and Yak running their PP units for awhile, so they likely made their picks accordingly.

I know people will say BPA, but I don’t think most teams actually follow that.
based on current needs is a terrible way to draft. Its how we ended up with Brian Lee.

Ottawa needs to adjust how they draft in later picks imo
 

Gil Gunderson

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To get real value out of a player like Hutson you need to have him on the PP.

Sens probably plan to have Sanderson and Yak running their PP units for awhile, so they likely made their picks accordingly.

I know people will say BPA, but I don’t think most teams actually follow that.
Ok, we already have Kleven and Andonovski playing the role we hope Eliasson does. Not to mention Chabot and Sanderson down the left side already as well.

Draft the most valuable asset available. Hutson still probably has a ton of trade value as an asset. Not sure about Eliasson. We have so many Eliasson clones in the system.
 
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HSF

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Ok, we already have Kleven and Andonovski playing the role we hope Eliasson does. Not to mention Chabot and Sanderson down the left side already as well.

Draft the most valuable asset available. Hutson still probably has a ton of trade value as an asset. Not sure about Eliasson. We have so many Eliasson clones in the system.
I would be surprised if Eliasson plays long term in the nhl. Pucks skills are rough
 

PlayOn

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based on current needs is a terrible way to draft. Its how we ended up with Brian Lee.

Ottawa needs to adjust how they draft in later picks imo
Every team does it. I’m not a fan of it at the top of the draft but it happens even there.

Ok, we already have Kleven and Andonovski playing the role we hope Eliasson does. Not to mention Chabot and Sanderson down the left side already as well.

Draft the most valuable asset available. Hutson still probably has a ton of trade value as an asset. Not sure about Eliasson. We have so many Eliasson clones in the system.

Kleven and Andonovski don’t hold the same weight as Sanderson or even Yakemchuk for obvious reasons.

We have no 6’7 dmen that play a physical game. I’m sure the Sens view Eliasson as a unique asset himself, whether they end up being right or wrong who knows.
 

HSF

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Every team does it. I’m not a fan of it at the top of the draft but it happens even there.



Kleven and Andonovski don’t hold the same weight as Sanderson or even Yakemchuk for obvious reasons.

We have no 6’7 dmen that play a physical game. I’m sure the Sens view Eliasson as a unique asset himself, whether they end up being right or wrong who knows.
I don't mind it at the top of the draft if there are comparable players around the pick. Boucher and Lee were massive reaches. Yes we need a RD and Yakemchuk fits the bill but he wasn't a huge reach. Later on in the draft makes no sense to draft based on need. I would even say outside of the top 10 picks as usually you are going to wait 5 years for guys to make an impact
 

PlayOn

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I don't mind it at the top of the draft if there are comparable players around the pick. Boucher and Lee were massive reaches. Yes we need a RD and Yakemchuk fits the bill but he wasn't a huge reach. Later on in the draft makes no sense to draft based on need. I would even say outside of the top 10 picks as usually you are going to wait 5 years for guys to make an impact
I don’t think Eliasson is a “need” so much as he’s a stylistic match of the type of team they want to build which includes size and being hard to play against.

I think if they’re ever willing to break the mold it’s not going to be a for a PP QB given what already exists in the system.
 

HSF

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I don’t think Eliasson is a “need” so much as he’s a stylistic match of the type of team they want to build which includes size and being hard to play against.

I think if they’re ever willing to break the mold it’s not going to be a for a PP QB given what already exists in the system.
size is okay but you need to have skill to actually play in the NHL today which is the issue with some of the draft. Boucher is a perfect example of a guy who plays a certain way but his skill is no where near NHL level so he won't make it. Everyone would draft someone with size and skill but those guys go early. Its okay to draft a smaller player with exceptional skill
 

PlayOn

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size is okay but you need to have skill to actually play in the NHL today which is the issue with some of the draft. Boucher is a perfect example of a guy who plays a certain way but his skill is no where near NHL level so he won't make it. Everyone would draft someone with size and skill but those guys go early. Its okay to draft a smaller player with exceptional skill
I agree with you, I’ve said before I wish the Sens weren’t so rigid in their philosophy.

But I also do think they value skill, they just seem to like taking bigger guys who they feel have untapped offensive upside. When it works it looks good and when it doesn’t you wonder what they were thinking.

IMO the Sens are trying to avoid the trap a lot of teams face when they build teams, then get to the playoffs and realize when the games get more physical they’re not suited for it. Time will tell if they did a good job, but at least they have a vision.

Anyway this has derailed the thread… my bad!
 

Gil Gunderson

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It's pretty incredible what Washington have been able to do with their prospect pool. One of the best in the league despite being in no man's land as a team for years now.
 

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I don't mind it at the top of the draft if there are comparable players around the pick. Boucher and Lee were massive reaches. Yes we need a RD and Yakemchuk fits the bill but he wasn't a huge reach. Later on in the draft makes no sense to draft based on need. I would even say outside of the top 10 picks as usually you are going to wait 5 years for guys to make an impact
If anything later in the draft is exactly where you draft for need, guys are lottery tickets at that point, so you want to have a stable of prospects at every position to fill expected spots 5+ years down the road because it will take 5 or 6 tries for one to hit.

In terms of small offensive D vs big defensive D, it probably matters more what type of roster you want to build. Most likely scenario is you're getting a Chris Wideman or a Gryba type, and that's if they even make it. If you're thinking you might be drafting the next Duncan Keith or Weber you will likely be disappointed regardless
 

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Every team does it. I’m not a fan of it at the top of the draft but it happens even there.



Kleven and Andonovski don’t hold the same weight as Sanderson or even Yakemchuk for obvious reasons.

We have no 6’7 dmen that play a physical game. I’m sure the Sens view Eliasson as a unique asset himself, whether they end up being right or wrong who knows.
I always thought the monster size players weren’t an advantage, often lanky and slow acceleration aren’t worth the big shot and hits even since the lock out. Makes me think of A-train and how he kept the opposition looking out for him and reliable with the puck, even with no offensive skills. He wasn’t much over 6ft and 225lb or something but played big. Would love to see that kind of player come out from a lower round pick, however unlikely that may be. Perfect shutdown dman in the playoffs.
 
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