GDT: WJC Pre-Tournament Games

[PanniniClaus]

Swiss goalie is like some flimsy piece of cheese filled with holes.

It has been some long time since the Swiss have brought a goaltender to this event.

Conz was spectacular for a short and stocky guy. I can't remember the last one aside from him that really stood out. Aebischer in the mid to late 90's.

Genoni and Berra were pretty good.

 

[Pieck]

It has been some long time since the Swiss have brought a goaltender to this event.

Conz was spectacular for a short and stocky guy. I can't remember the last one aside from him that really stood out. Aebischer in the mid to late 90's.

Genoni and Berra were pretty good.

Van Pottelberghe?

 

[jj cale]

Not a bad period from them.

 

[PanniniClaus]

Van Pottelberghe?

He played to a 3.16 and .909 in 2017 which is decent. 1-3 record.

 

[NyQuil]

It has been some long time since the Swiss have brought a goaltender to this event.

Conz was spectacular for a short and stocky guy. I can't remember the last one aside from him that really stood out. Aebischer in the mid to late 90's.

Genoni and Berra were pretty good.

Did Gerber not play at the WJCs?

 

[PanniniClaus]

Did Gerber not play at the WJCs?

Gerber was never part of any of the Swiss Junior Team programs. He developed later.

Schmid is one of their few drafted goalies but he split with Hollenstein and was badly outplayed by Hollenstein on what was one of their better teams in the last 10-15 years.

 

[PanniniClaus]

Enter Christian Kirsch, a Sharks 4th round pick.

 

[JackSlater]

Second period has not looked all that different than the first, despite the big difference in the number of goals scored.

Gauthier easily could have had one there. Nice setup by Molendyk.

 

[Hinterland]

Gerber was never part of any of the Swiss Junior Team programs. He developed later.

Schmid is one of their few drafted goalies but he split with Hollenstein and was badly outplayed by Hollenstein on what was one of their better teams in the last 10-15 years.

Hollenstein never outplayed anybody at any level. He's a poor goalie. In fact he got outplayed by Stéphane Charlin at the WJC20 and still kept his net...which was certainly one of the more interesting ideas Thierry Paterlini, one very few capable Swiss born coaches, ever had.

Funny enough, Charlin is now probably the best goalie with Swiss passport, dominating the NL with fantasy numbers... coached by Paterlini.

 

[JackSlater]

Swiss have had some ugly goals go in.

 

[PanniniClaus]

Hollenstein never outplayed anybody at any level. He's a poor goalie. In fact he got outplayed by Stéphane Charlin at the WJC20 and still kept his net...which was certainly one of the more interesting ideas Thierry Paterlini, one very few capable Swiss born coaches, ever had.

Funny enough, Charlin is now probably the best goalie with Swiss passport, dominating the NL with fantasy numbers... coached by Paterlini.

Hollenstein is barely NLA quality but it is hard to deny these stats for this one tourney

1.		Luca Hollenstein (G)	5	2.43	.917	2	3	-	2	246:37	110
2.		Akira Schmid (G)	3	4.23	.878	0	2	0	0	170:00	86

4th place finish with Hollenstein I believe. Won't claim to be a Swiss hockey expert but have followed this tourney for close to 40 years.

 

[Hinterland]

Hollenstein is barely NLA quality but it is hard to deny these stats for this one tourney

1.		Luca Hollenstein (G)	5	2.43	.917	2	3	-	2	246:37	110
2.		Akira Schmid (G)	3	4.23	.878	0	2	0	0	170:00	86

4th place finish with Hollenstein I believe. Won't claim to be a Swiss hockey expert but have followed this tourney for close to 40 years.

Cool. He still played poorly though. It matters who you play against and how the team performs in front of you. Numbers in a short tournament can be misleading. Hollenstein isn't a good goalie and he never was. Charlin was always better. The same goes for Schmid.

 

[Hinterland]

Not a good game for the goalies. Still think that Bjarnason and Neuenschwander should be starting at the WJC20. They're the best goalies of their teams.

 

[Speyer]

Hollenstein is barely NLA quality but it is hard to deny these stats for this one tourney

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4th place finish with Hollenstein I believe. Won't claim to be a Swiss hockey expert but have followed this tourney for close to 40 years.

I am not a fan of Hollenstein either but I have to admit that he was pretty good in hist first WJC. He didnt dominate but he played pretty solid behind one of the best swiss d corps ever (Moser/Berni/Gross/Aebischer). Schmids stats are a bit deflated here by the way because he played some of the „hopeless“ games against Canada and other top teams, where he got shelled like its WWI.

Hollensteins second tourney was pretty bad though and he got outplayed by Charlin there. But all that goes just to show that even an inferior goalie can get hot in such a tourney and a more talented one (like Schmid) can dissapoint. There is just a lot of luck involved for small countries to provide good goaltending at the WJC.

 

[Hinterland]

I am not a fan of Hollenstein either but I have to admit that he was pretty good in hist first WJC. He didnt dominate but he played pretty solid behind one of the best swiss d corps ever (Moser/Berni/Gross/Aebischer). Schmids stats are a bit deflated here by the way because he played some of the „hopeless“ games against Canada and other top teams, where he got shelled like its WWI.

Hollensteins second tourney was pretty bad though and he got outplayed by Charlin there. But all that goes just to show that even an inferior goalie can get hot in such a tourney and a more talented one (like Schmid) can dissapoint. There is just a lot of luck involved for small countries to provide good goaltending at the WJC.

Bad goalies can stand on their head for a short tournament. We've seen that with Beglieri last year. Beglieri is a poor goalie but has been fantastic at that tournament. Hollenstein wasn't such a case. His stats were helped by playing behind a solid team.

 

[Maverick41]

Germany won against Kazakhstan 4-0. I wish there had been a stream.
Goals by Händel, Samanski, Ruckdäschel and Schwarz.

 

[SoundAndFury]

I find Hinterland's opinions about goaltending to be pretty peculiar. Like, Pasche had a pretty successful career in the USHL for a very bad team and now has .919 Sv% in the NL at the young age of 21 and he absolutely hated the guy. It feels like he thrashes every goalie who isn't Vasilevsky-like during the WJC. It's either a bad goalie who stands on his head or a bad goalie behind a solid defensive team

He played to a 3.16 and .909 in 2017 which is decent. 1-3 record.

I think there is a big difference between bringing a good goalie and that goalie managing to have good stats behind a terrible team that Switzerland is a lot of the time at the WJC level. Of course, their goalies aren't at a future NHL star talent level but neither is Team Canada's most of the time. I definitely wouldn't say goaltending has been a major weakness for the Swiss either in terms of the quality of players or the performance.

Out of curiosity, I looked through Canada's starting goalies between 2010 and 2020 and the only ones with an NHL career are Joel Hofer, Carter Hart and Blackwood. Others are Visentin, Fucale, DiPietro, etc.

 

[ozo]

Germany won against Kazakhstan 4-0. I wish there had been a stream.
Goals by Händel, Samanski, Ruckdäschel and Schwarz.

Kazakhstan was not icing their only (selected) CHLer Sarkenov so surely they will improve when games start to matter. /cope

 

[SoundAndFury]

Kazakhstan was not icing their only (selected) CHLer Sarkenov so surely they will improve when games start to matter. /cope

It was also 3rd game for the Germans already and they have been in Canada for almost 2 weeks now. From what I gather Kazakhstan arrived in Canada a few days ago so you have to assume jet lag is still present. Playing a stronger opponent almost straight out of the plain cannot be very pleasant.

 

[Namejs]

Kazakhstan was not icing their only (selected) CHLer Sarkenov so surely they will improve when games start to matter. /cope

Sumpf didn't play either

 

[Jason80]

Germany's 1st Line with Sumpf, Pul and Vinzenz didn't play.

 

[Brunkmeister]

Why the f*** are we playing Canada in a Pre-Tournament game once again? Have they not learned anything from previous years? Morons.

 

[PanniniClaus]

I find Hinterland's opinions about goaltending to be pretty peculiar. Like, Pasche had a pretty successful career in the USHL for a very bad team and now has .919 Sv% in the NL at the young age of 21 and he absolutely hated the guy. It feels like he thrashes every goalie who isn't Vasilevsky-like during the WJC. It's either a bad goalie who stands on his head or a bad goalie behind a solid defensive team


I think there is a big difference between bringing a good goalie and that goalie managing to have good stats behind a terrible team that Switzerland is a lot of the time at the WJC level. Of course, their goalies aren't at a future NHL star talent level but neither is Team Canada's most of the time. I definitely wouldn't say goaltending has been a major weakness for the Swiss either in terms of the quality of players or the performance.

Out of curiosity, I looked through Canada's starting goalies between 2010 and 2020 and the only ones with an NHL career are Joel Hofer, Carter Hart and Blackwood. Others are Visentin, Fucale, DiPietro, etc.

Without a doubt... Canadian goaltending has been disappointing but luckily, we don't need dominance, just competence most of the time. The Swiss need at least competence and usually greatness to get anywhere. I guess I was thinking back and couldn't really remember too many great performances. They need better than what they got last night for sure.

Great first period and then completely sunk by two soft goals. The whole team seemed to cave after that. The first goal was actually a bad bounce off the wall when the D tried to play it to his winger..

I guess we will see what happens when it counts. I wasn't a huge Pasche fan either to be fair to Hinterland.

 

[Joe Zanussi]

Are there streams for these?

 

[NTDP]

Are there streams for these?

It's always hit or miss with these. I dream of a day where all WJC pre tourney games are under one centralized hub. I'll pay for it I don't care.

The Canada games are TSN which NHL net is unfortunately not showing here. The two Slovakia-GER games were on Youtube from Moncton & Charlottetown.

Both of USA's don't have a stream listed on the USA Hockey website, in other tournaments they'd have it listed if it was known at this point. Even it's pay per view.