GDT: WJC 2024 Thread

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They have also benefitted from playing a lot of home tournaments.
Are they benefitting on the ice at this point though?? They seem to start every tournament at home wound tighter than a snare drum. Some of the really stupid penalties seem to be caused by guys being way too amped up, trying to play Canadian tough guy hockey for the home crowd. At this point it'd be nice to have a wjc in Europe again.
 

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Are they benefitting on the ice at this point though?? They seem to start every tournament at home wound tighter than a snare drum. Some of the really stupid penalties seem to be caused by guys being way too amped up, trying to play Canadian tough guy hockey for the home crowd. At this point it'd be nice to have a wjc in Europe again.
They are. In the last five tournaments that have been in Europe Canada has won 1. The other 4 they haven't got a medal.

Last five at home they have 2 golds, 1 silver, and two years of no medals.
 
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Dave Cameron being named as coach shows how polluted Hockey Canada remains. He's awful, never won a thing in his almost 30-year coaching career, unless it's been part of Team Canada, and even then, he was heading up the national junior team that had the historical collapse against the Russians in 2011. An inexcusable hire.
Peter Anholt's record doesn't look much better. Lethbridge has been a pretty middling whl team since he took over as GM tjere 8 or 9 years ago. Not sure exactly what he's done that warranted his position at HC.
 

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Dave Cameron is taking the heat, and I suppose it goes with the territory.

But the dumb, careless penalties aren't his fault. You can only stress it so often in the room, but if the players don't have t he discipline to execute, then what can you do?

I put some it down to the culture in junior hockey. I guess some of those borderline, dangerous checks are OK in the CHL. But they'll get called by IIHF referees every time.
 

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Dave Cameron is taking the heat, and I suppose it goes with the territory.

But the dumb, careless penalties aren't his fault. You can only stress it so often in the room, but if the players don't have t he discipline to execute, then what can you do?

I put some it down to the culture in junior hockey. I guess some of those borderline, dangerous checks are OK in the CHL. But they'll get called by IIHF referees every time.
It was a combination of penalties and generating next to no offense. Cameron rightly shoulders the blame for the latter, especially since he was also part of the roster selection process.
 

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The energy line is pointless now as you have outlined. Last night's game is also a good example. The IIHF cracks down on unsafe plays which also makes the players hesitant to deliver bigger hits.

When Canada won those five medals in a row, Finland and the Czech programs were weak. Sweden was just recovering from a terrible stretch with its program. Furthermore, the USA underperformed at those tournaments for the most part as well. The 2006 team wasn't strong but they played a grinding game and relied on Pogge who was unreal at the tournament. Currently, the grinding system doesn't work at this tournament and I doubt it will ever will again.

It's such a weird culture in youth hockey right now (even in U13 leagues). Cause there's countless old school coaches that preach a style of game that's seriously outdated and it comes as no surprise when you see most coaches are Gen Xers who endured a rather physically imposing game where you went to war every shift.

It reminds me of the issues that plagued Canadian soccer. Many managers/coaches in lower levels just focused on old school primitive tactics (longball soccer with no emphasis on ball control or position). for so long which resulted in fundamentally flawed player development.
 
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Interesting comments from Cameron on the practice time. If the players are exhausted, it shouldn't be a shock. They're in the midst of a long and tough CHL schedule, and instead of getting a break over Xmas, they're on to Ottawa for some of the most intense games some of them will ever be involved in.

Canada needs to start looking at what they do south of the border. The bulk of the U.S. team is drawn from players who play with the United States Team Development Program (USTDP). They play together as a team for an entire season or maybe even more, and test themselves by playing tough games against NCAA and USHL teams.

Then when the World Juniors are prepared to play, they supplement their basic roster with a few NCAA players and maybe even a few USHL all-stars, as well as any Americans playing Major Junior in Canada.

It's a process that simply produces a more cohesive and stronger team imo. Canada draws from a group of tired CHL players right across the country, who can be worn out from the all the league travel they do.

I fear that unless things change in Canada, we should be prepared for domination of this tournament by the Americans for years to come.
 
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Interesting comments from Cameron on the practice time. If the players are exhausted, it shouldn't be a shock. They're in the midst of a long and tough CHL schedule, and instead of getting a break over Xmas, they're on to Ottawa for some of the most intense games some of them will ever be involved in.

Canada needs to start looking at what they do south of the border. The bulk of the U.S. team is drawn from players who play with the United States Team Development Program (USTDP). They play together as a team for an entire season or maybe even more, and test themselves by playing tough games against NCAA and USHL teams.

Then when the World Juniors are prepared to play, they supplement their basic roster with a few NCAA players and maybe even a few USHL all-stars, as well as any Americans playing Major Junior in Canada.

It's a process that simply produces a more cohesive and stronger team imo. Canada draws from a group of tired CHL players right across the country, who can be worn out from the all the league travel they do.

I fear that unless things change in Canada, we should be prepared for domination of this tournament by the Americans for years to come.
Canada hasn't produced a lot of top end talent the past couple of years other than Bedard and Celebrini. Penalties hurt that team. 113 minutes in penalties. 77, 65, 50, 38 were the final four teams. Canada had a much stronger 2024 draft and a tournament that's usually dominated by 19 year olds. Some fresh ideas into the selection process.
 

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Canada hasn't produced a lot of top end talent the past couple of years other than Bedard and Celebrini. Penalties hurt that team. 113 minutes in penalties. 77, 65, 50, 38 were the final four teams. Canada had a much stronger 2024 draft and a tournament that's usually dominated by 19 year olds. Some fresh ideas into the selection process.
Really?

USA - Smith
SWE - Carlsson

CAN - Celebrini Bedard Fantilli Iginla Benson Lindstrom Schaefer
 

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Really?

USA - Smith
SWE - Carlsson

CAN - Celebrini Bedard Fantilli Iginla Benson Lindstrom Schaefer
I should have specified more.

A tournament dominated by 19 year olds. Canada's 2023 draft was not favourable to this tournament for 19 year olds. Fantilli too old. Danielson too old. Benson in the NHL. 2023 Ryan Leonard highest drafted player in the tournament. Canada's is a full year younger Berkly Catton.

Sweden has 3 - 19 year old first round D selections from 2023. Canada had 2 that were drafted after the top 2 Swedes. Next year Canada will probably have 4 - 19 year old first round picks for D on the team.

Canada is probably going to have 6 top 10 picks on next years team as 19 year olds. They have none on this team that are 19.
 
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Interesting comments from Cameron on the practice time. If the players are exhausted, it shouldn't be a shock. They're in the midst of a long and tough CHL schedule, and instead of getting a break over Xmas, they're on to Ottawa for some of the most intense games some of them will ever be involved in.

Canada needs to start looking at what they do south of the border. The bulk of the U.S. team is drawn from players who play with the United States Team Development Program (USTDP). They play together as a team for an entire season or maybe even more, and test themselves by playing tough games against NCAA and USHL teams.

Then when the World Juniors are prepared to play, they supplement their basic roster with a few NCAA players and maybe even a few USHL all-stars, as well as any Americans playing Major Junior in Canada.

It's a process that simply produces a more cohesive and stronger team imo. Canada draws from a group of tired CHL players right across the country, who can be worn out from the all the league travel they do.

I fear that unless things change in Canada, we should be prepared for domination of this tournament by the Americans for years to come.
I know i'm probably responding to chat GPT but the notion that 18/19yr olds are too tired because of the schedule when you host the tourney on home soil is pathetic. Nobody was expecting Herb Brooks forcing players to drop doing a bag skate.

The team lacked cohesive systems play, offensive creativity and special teams by designed plays and re enforcement of being disciplined. It was an absolute massive fail by Cameron.
 

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They should be bringing the linesmen to centre ice and spanking them every time a missed offside goal is called back

Or change to remote camera offside calls ffs
 

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I should have specified more.

A tournament dominated by 19 year olds. Canada's 2023 draft was not favourable to this tournament for 19 year olds. Fantilli too old. Danielson too old. Benson in the NHL. 2023 Ryan Leonard highest drafted player in the tournament. Canada's is a full year younger Berkly Catton.

Sweden has 3 - 19 year old first round D selections from 2023. Canada had 2 that were drafted after the top 2 Swedes. Next year Canada will probably have 4 - 19 year old first round picks for D on the team.

Canada is probably going to have 6 top 10 picks on next years team as 19 year olds. They have none on this team that are 19.
Fair iDK why but i thought Fantilli was still eligible by age. There is zero reason why Canada should not be in a medal round by talent. Coaching and nepotism was a colossal mess
 

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Fair iDK why but i thought Fantilli was still eligible by age. There is zero reason why Canada should not be in a medal round by talent. Coaching and nepotism was a colossal mess
Make it through 20 seconds and 50/50 chance that Canada wins in OT and they are getting 4th or higher. The other countries go through purple patches.

Canadian first round picks by years
2022 - 8
2023 - 12
2024 - 15
2025 - some have around 18 Canadians. Button has 19, Bukala have 21.

Canada is gonna have a strong team again if players are available and even then, it might not matter they are gonna be strong.
 
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I know i'm probably responding to chat GPT but the notion that 18/19yr olds are too tired because of the schedule when you host the tourney on home soil is pathetic. Nobody was expecting Herb Brooks forcing players to drop doing a bag skate.

The team lacked cohesive systems play, offensive creativity and special teams by designed plays and re enforcement of being disciplined. It was an absolute massive fail by Cameron.
It's pretty obvious you've never spent time on bus with a CHL team during the heart of a regular season.....complete with 12 hour bus trips and playing every second night.

Frankly, the travel these kids do in the CHL borders on the ridiculous. And it's the reason why a lot of parents are lobbying to keep their kids in junior A and eligible for NCAA scholarships. They can stay home, stay in school, and still play decent hockey.

You may not like him. But Dave Cameron is a veteran coach. If he says the players were too exhausted to practice, then I place a lot more faith in his judgement than somebody on HF Boards.

And I see Hockey Canada officials are trying to deflect criticism of the players by taking ownership of these back-to-back World Jr. collapses. But it will only mean something if they go back to the drawing board on how they pick and develop their team.
 
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