GDT: WJC 2024 Thread

Deeds26

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sounds like Sansonnens had a positive impression from the main board

Watched the third period.

Was out of position on one play, but got back in time to get a stick on the shot to make it go wide.

Great play on the PK where he sensed a bobble of the puck, took the forward down and freed the puck for his teammate to clear.

Used his body well for the most part.
 

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Yeah, I think there's some flawed logic both ways here. If ASP is more of a Ghost/Krug type then sure you can argue he's redundant to an extent, but if he's a guy who can handle top 4 minutes and tilt the ice then I don't care if he's wasted on PP2, he's helping my team win.

Hronek is a very capable powerplay dman being "wasted" on PP2 as well, but who gives a shit.

I haven’t watched much this season of ASP, but the sense I get from ice time and a few things being said is at this time, he is closer to the ghost Krug side of things. Now that can change, but that is just what I am getting from what I have heard.
 

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Obviously ASP has a lot more proving to do before we cry too hard about that draft. But the idea that we couldn’t use a 2nd QH is ridiculous. What, we don’t want to control play for the full 60 min? Would that be too unfair? And yes, I’m aware that ASP has a long ways to go before being compared to QH. But again, the idea that *if* he turns out as good we’d still be better with a Tanev clone is silly.
If one team drafts QH and the other team drafts Dan Hamhuis, the end result is 2 happy teams.
 
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That's not being fair to Chris Tanev. Selling out and blocking shots is only part of what makes him so effective defensively. He's also a master at steering forwards into areas that neutralize their offense and limit their options. In that respect, he's a bit of a savant.

Selling out alone gets you a player like Juulsen, who is every bit as fearless as Tanev, but nowhere near as effective.
Good post
Further to what you said his almost elite skating and pivots not just allowed for the body positioning to do the "steering" it was also a big reason he could retrieve or recover and then send a quick accurate outlet pass to get out of trouble. Which also leads to discussion about how good his hands and vision/passing was.
Add elite consistency and the willingness to never think twice about doing what it takes and you get the elite defensive player he's been.

I see a lot of Tanev in Willander myself. RD, Size, Head up at all times, Pivots, First 5 steps, Aggressive speed and footwork that steers players into making tough decisions in transition. Great stick and a blanket on the cycle with relentless pursuit. Seals players off and is strong and athletic. Limited offensive acumen and some struggles going forward with speed at puckhandling

Where the differences are for me.
Positively...TW has a much better shot. He also has a willingness to get forward at times and is effective at doing so when inspired. Tanev rarely showed an interest or willingness to be a part of the attack
Negatively...We have zero idea how the lack of time and space and physicality will effect him. He's not as relentless in how he sells out to block everything and lastly his transition passing under pressure and after a quick break up are not nearly at the Tanev level. It's decent but needs work

I repeat....We have zero idea how the lack of time and space and physicality will effect him. He'll need to get better how much better can he get?

The scouts loved this guy because he oozes intelligence competitiveness skill and athletic levels that bode well for development. He's still very much a fantastic prospect and exactly what we need if he hits.

It's fair that this year has been a little disappointing from the attacking offensive player growth to date. Unfortunately until he starts playing games on the 31st and hopefully medal round games we wont learn much from this tourney either and this expands to ASP
 

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Obviously the former. My point is that it's not copium to be okay with ASP doing well and also be content in drafting Willander.
Sure, but it might have also been nice to have another high-end puck moving defenseman in our prospect pool.

I mean that is a bit unfair… I love Hamhuis, but Hughes is a legit hart trophy candidate….
I know...but I think that was kind of the way the argument was posed...I think you can be happy with Willander and still think you could have been better off drafting ASP.
 

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You should've yell this in Jim Benning's ear when he traded Forsling top 4 D on a Cup winning team for Clenningdingdong (at guy that could *BARELY* handle AHL speed let alone NHL speed).
Ya. I remember the game thread from the first game he played as a canuck. It was IMMEDIATELY obvious he could not play at the NHL level. Any amount of pro-scouting that went beyond looking at basic numbers his second year in the AHL would have seen that. And still he played 17 games for the canucks! How he got another 70 games with 5 other organizations I'll never know.

On Willander...we will have the answer very soon. He will end the year in a canucks jersey if BU is not playing when the cauncks still have games. I'm positive about that.
 
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Sure, but it might have also been nice to have another high-end puck moving defenseman in our prospect pool.


I know...but I think that was kind of the way the argument was posed...I think you can be happy with Willander and still think you could have been better off drafting ASP.

I think it’s just a bad comp (I get not by you) in that it assumes ASP is going to be something he isn’t even close to projecting as. I think it’s probably closer to would you rather have Tanev or Krug if we are using guys mentioned in this thread as comps.
 
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I think it’s just a bad comp (I get not by you) in that it assumes ASP is going to be something he isn’t even close to projecting as. I think it’s probably closer to would you rather have Tanev or Krug if we are using guys mentioned in this thread as comps.
I mean that's probably a "safer" guess...but I'm sure people said the same thing about Quinn Hughes early on...he was tabbed by many as a one-dimensional defenseman. Plus, I'm not sure ASP could ask for a better player to hone his craft with....but either way, we have Willander and even if he's not as good as ASP, he's likely better than Tyler Myers and that's the barest minimum I can hope for. lol
 
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Ya. I remember the game thread from the first game he played as a canuck. It was IMMEDIATELY obvious he could not play at the NHL level. Any amount of pro-scouting that went beyond looking at basic numbers his second year in the AHL would have seen that. And still he played 17 games for the canucks! How he got another 70 games with 5 other organizations I'll never know.

On Willander...we will have the answer very soon. He will end the year in a canucks jersey if BU is not playing when the cauncks still have games. I'm positive about that.
I *think* he did have some offensive skills so I guess teams were willing to burn a contract slot on thinking they could improve his skating. Sure, take a flyer on a such a prospect if you have to give up nothing but cap space that can buried in the minors. But an asset?

I think it’s just a bad comp (I get not by you) in that it assumes ASP is going to be something he isn’t even close to projecting as. I think it’s probably closer to would you rather have Tanev or Krug if we are using guys mentioned in this thread as comps.
Good to sign the odd mercenary player like Krug (legit AHL allstar but never really an NHLer) to help with the development of your players on the farm. Obviously, unless your the Chicago Wolves (who I think are privately owned instead of owned by another NHL team) who place winning over player development, you don't want too many of such players blocking spots for your prospects.
 

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Gavin McKenna is going to carry Canada in this tournament, despite HC coaches shafting him on ice time in favour of random 19 year olds from Ontario

Tough game for scouting Willander against non competition but he is just a machine at denying rush plays and getting the puck moving the other way
 
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I’m amazed that anyone can watch Willander play and question his decision making. His defensive IQ is a ++ trait. He does not rush the puck and make breakaway passes often. He likely will not be an above average offensive player in the NHL. But his team scores more than they get scored on when he’s on the ice.
 
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