The pick has grown on me, but I really hate when people say "these are the kind of guys you win with". Notice how no one says that about most top picks? Because no one needs to be told that Crosby, McDavid, or even Stamkos are players you win with.
Prospect Info: With the 7th Overall Pick the Rangers Select Lias Andersson
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The pick has grown on me, but I really hate when people say "these are the kind of guys you win with". Notice how no one says that about most top picks? Because no one needs to be told that Crosby, McDavid, or even Stamkos are players you win with.
GeorgeKaplan
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Well no one says that stuff about great players whether they're #1 picks or not, because it would be silly to say that of course those are the types of players you win with. That's usually said about role players.
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Some people are making it out to be as if Andersson is already a career bottom-6 forward while there were several top-line players still available. It's amusing, to say the least, when I see people claim the Rangers "reached" for a kid who was picked a few spots higher than his projection. It's not as if they went off the board completely.
I'll give him a chance, I just feel like saying he's a player you win with is a backhanded compliment for a top 10 pick.
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In my opinion, it's something they say because they simply have nothing else to say, knowing little to nothing about the player.
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I get where you're coming from and agree to a certain extent, but they were saying the same thing about guys like Toews and Landeskog. The fact Pierre compared him to Fast/Lindberg shows me he has no idea what he's talking about
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The only thing Andersson has in common with Lindberg is his nationality. At least with Fast, he also has in common that they both played for HV71 haha.
But if we go by that logic, Chytil is like Jaromir Jagr
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Fair point. I think that's because it's obviously understood that you need guys like that to win, as you mentioned. But teams that win, in addition to star power on the top lines, need grinders and defensively responsible players that can also score (see: Hagelin, Bonino, Brouwer, Ladd, etc.)...you don't have that, you still won't win. And that's why those guys get the label.
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I just mean that at the time he was drafted Landeskog was getting a lot of press about his two-way game and intangibles
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I know, I was referring to Pierre comparing Andersson to Lindberg and Fast. It's ridiculous. When Pierre tells me what the name of his 2nd cousin's high school boyfriend was, I believe him. When it's about hockey, I will just forget about it within a second
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Here's all you need to know about what Pierre has to say about a pick during the draft:
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Still very much against this pick. Makes a bad trade look worse.
But I'm certainly rooting for him, seems like a good kid.
But I'm certainly rooting for him, seems like a good kid.
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It's a common phrase and doesn't mean what many people think it means. I think going off the reservation means deviating from standard beliefs. In a hockey draft, I suppose that would mean going "Off the board".
I'm not sure anyone knows what 'off the board' means either seeing as it was used to describe Andersson, who was ranked anywhere from 7-27 and therefore firmly 'on the board'.
Likewise, a very quick Goggle search shows that Price was ranked at 10 by ISS and 13 by McKeen so unless 'off the board' and 'off the reservation' have incredibly special and specific meanings in hockey, it seems people just use them to describe any pick that doesn't exactly match what they would have done
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Yeah, Pierre may have overreacted a bit. I wonder if he covered the draft for a network when MAF was drafted. Would love to hear his reaction.
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Well, people also seem to not realize what "ceiling" means when they say DeAngelo's ceiling is Marc-Andre Bergeron or when they say Andersson's ceiling is Dominic Moore (Seriously, someone said it). Those just sound like expected outcomes rather than ceilings.
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gonna laugh when this kid makes the team out of camp. theres a reason they had him so high on their board. all the stuff about a bottom 6 player. not even close.
once they couldn't do the deal for 3, then Petersson and glass were gone, he was the next BPA on their board. it was an easy choice. this kid was rising for a reason. he wasn't sexy but that played right into JG's hand. the the next BPA.
they wanted a 2 way pivot with few holes who was near ready now. Andersson.
they wanted a kid who had confidence and ability both. "I want to win everything". Andersson.
they want a player that would not bust and one that wouldn't have any "issues". Andersson.
lastly, they wanted a player who had "it". one that makes linemates better, teams better. knows what to do and how to do it at a high level and works harder than any one else. Andersson.
he's already showing this at rookie camp.
JG and the rest of the crew could not be happier right now. then again, they expected this.
once they couldn't do the deal for 3, then Petersson and glass were gone, he was the next BPA on their board. it was an easy choice. this kid was rising for a reason. he wasn't sexy but that played right into JG's hand. the the next BPA.
they wanted a 2 way pivot with few holes who was near ready now. Andersson.
they wanted a kid who had confidence and ability both. "I want to win everything". Andersson.
they want a player that would not bust and one that wouldn't have any "issues". Andersson.
lastly, they wanted a player who had "it". one that makes linemates better, teams better. knows what to do and how to do it at a high level and works harder than any one else. Andersson.
he's already showing this at rookie camp.
JG and the rest of the crew could not be happier right now. then again, they expected this.
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