Speculation: Winners and Losers now that the dust has settled

Devonator

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Columbus and Sens did great....Canes pretty good as well......Edmonton also looks really nice this off season....Calgary of course did terrible.....Montreal is intriguing....will their gambles pay off or did they make some terrible mistakes.....won't know for some years to come.....
 

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With respect to the Sabres I don't know what their plan is. Are they trying to compete or are they trying to rebuild? I don't feel like they really committed either way and those half-measures make them a D+ for me.

I see so much potential with all of that unused cap space going to waste. A team like Arizona was able to get assets back and weaponize their cap space. They aren't doing that. How are they getting better to compete? They add Lyubushkin and Comrie? Both are solid pieces but a #5 defenceman and a backup goaltender don't really move the needle for me enough for me.
You don’t think they’ve committed to a rebuild allowing their young players to play when they make moves designed to allow their young players to play?

The second half of last year they played so much better that they’re going to add three high end rookies (Quinn, Peterka and Power) and not block them with overpaid vets.

Comrie is literally here so they don’t have to rush UPL. You think they should be going after long term at high dollars instead?

If you’re docking them for not taking bad assets to block young players…that’s kind of ridiculous. And it flies in the face of committing to a rebuild.

I think you’re confusing a rebuild with a tank. They are not committed to a tank. They are not committed to taking other teams mistakes because they don’t care what roster they field. They are committed to player development whether that means getting a goalie to allow a prospect to cook…or not bringing in vets to block young players who have.

I don’t know how their plan is hard to follow. The have accrued a billion prospects and the ones who are ready are going to play. They have vets like Okposo and Tuch to be leaders. They have proven scorers like Skinner and Olofsson on the scoring lines. Tage Thompson and Dylan Cozens are going to get pushed to build on their steps forward last year. Krebs and Mittelstadt will have more on their plate to show progress. Asplund gonna Asplund. You’d have them dump developing players who started to turn the corner as a team to…what? Curb their development so they can give money and term to players not in any long term plan? do you see how that doesn’t work?

This year is about development. Not taking steps back because other teams have junk for them. Not rushing guys who aren’t ready. Development.

Being graded harshly when they quickly fill in exactly the two things they needed but didn’t take on bad contracts or needless players is short sighted and wrong. They’re being punished for half the team being on ELCs…but also punished for not…blocking those players on ELCs with plugs like Zach Kassian?

Ok.

Their adds this year are Owen Power, Jack Quinn and JJ Peterka. All for a combined less than 3 million dollars. Because they’re ready for roles with the team and they’re going to be brought to the next step in development.

Sorry they aren’t icing JVR, Kassian and Patrick Nemeth instead so they can keep young players ready to contribute in the minors.

What fools.
 
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Winner: Colorado. Their path to the SCF next year got easier with Calgary losing Gaudreau and St. Louis losing Perron.
Avs likely lose Kadri & already lost Burak. + Kuemper.

2 Top6 F's & 1G.

How do the Avs plan on replacing them (just to get to ~ the same level as '22 team).

Manson was a solid re-sign, even at his age.
 
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If you don’t think Philly is the biggest loser, you live and currently are under a rock.

Tony DeA is a douche canoe but pretty good hockey player
Nicolas Deslauriers is not a first line talent but pretty good policeman to have on your team, one of the last true ones

Outside of that some depth signings. Flyers shouldn't do much anyway, they should be gunning for a high pick next year

Anyway, that's about 1000 times better than an usual offseason under Pierre Dorion
 
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Despite doing absolutely nothing, the Isles are one of the losers. They desperately need to add a goal scorer and now they have to trade for one. Not upset about Gaudreau signing somewhere else, you can never expect the best UFAs. I’m upset because they missed out on Pacioretty for free and now they will have to pay premium for a player of his calibre.
Can’t disagree more.

Patch would immediately make the isles older and slower and is on a steady decline (soon to be steep). He’s not the answer.

Interesting that word is the isles were never really in on JG. I find that surprising but understandable.
 

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Perron is their second best player. He’s a fantastic player and scorer. He’s a huge loss. So is their goalie Husso. Binnington was hot garbage for most of last season. Has like 4 good games in the playoffs and suddenly he’s elite again? He may go right back to being a 90.0% save guy and liability with mental illness. He’s clearly got a rage problem. It affects his focus and play. I think he sucks. Or is more likely to suck than play well.

Perron is a very good player, but if you think he's better than Tarasenko, Thomas, Kyrou then you don't know the team very well. I would even argue that Buchnevich is a better play going forward and Schenn is at least equally important to the team. The Blues had perhaps the best offensive depth in the whole league last year (9 20 goal scorers), so as much as it hurts to lose Perron the Blues have the talent to make up for his loss. Also, I love the fact that Binnington gets under peoples' skin....both players and fans. There have been plenty of successful goalies who had a screw loose. Stick to what you know, bud.
 

John Mandalorian

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Youre not wrong. I think the Avs lost a lot for sure. I think everyone knew that was going to happen going into free agency. Maybe I was too generous with their rating but I was pretty impressed with how they mitigated their losses. They were never going to keep everyone.

Lehkonen and Nuke had massive playoffs and can hopefully fill in for Burakovsky and Kadri as depth players. Kadri is apparently asking for 8M+ and I think moving on from him was the right choice. Same with Kuemper. He looked mediocre in the playoffs and gets injured too much to keep. I know Manson isn't a favorite of analytic gurus but he was exactly the piece they needed on the back end. Keeping him was also a nice keep.

I could see why people have them rated low with how much they lost though. You could in theory give them an F if you compare them to last year. Their saving grace is that they won a cup and were miles ahead of the rest of the NHL. So even if they got worse, they should still be pretty dang good.

The Blues on the other hand didn't really do anything - thus the D. They lost Husso and putting all their faith into Binnington who rocked a .901sv% in the regular season. Sure he looked in 4 games in the playoffs but needs to stay healthy for once. Greiss at 36 is a massive downgrade.

On the backend, Leddy was retained which was kind of a surprise. I didn't think he was the type of defenceman they needed. If this was their big move, they might have been better off doing nothing.

When you add in losing Perron and the Blues are clearly a worse team.
You’re off with your Colorado assessment.
 

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Avs likely lose Kadri & already lost Burak. + Kuemper.

2 Top6 F's & 1G.

How do the Avs plan on replacing them (just to get to ~ the same level as '22 team).

Manson was a solid re-sign, even at his age.
I'm not sure you can favor any roster over this Avs team, even minus Kadri. What team improved to the point you'd favor them over the Avs in a seven game series? Tampa maybe w/ a healthy Point though they lost key guys. The Sens? The Blues? I'm personally beating the Oiler's drum and I do think they'll be better, though that defense still isn't great.

The glaring hole at the moment is the 2C, but this roster should be better everywhere else next year, especially on defense. This isn't some aging team where players are entering the twilight of their careers. These guys can still improve. Makar, Byram, Newhook, even guys like Nichushkin should be better. Kadri hopefully comes back, but if you look at his career his production last year was an outlier. Still, he makes the Avs a better team no doubt.

Of course if their goalie sucks, they'll have a big problem. But there's also a world where Georgiev is a really, really good goalie in which case I think the Avs speed run to the Cup again.
 

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Perron is a very good player, but if you think he's better than Tarasenko, Thomas, Kyrou then you don't know the team very well. I would even argue that Buchnevich is a better play going forward and Schenn is at least equally important to the team. The Blues had perhaps the best offensive depth in the whole league last year (9 20 goal scorers), so as much as it hurts to lose Perron the Blues have the talent to make up for his loss. Also, I love the fact that Binnington gets under peoples' skin....both players and fans. There have been plenty of successful goalies who had a screw loose. Stick to what you know, bud.
I actually agree with your comments........except wrt Binnington. I don't think he gets under players' skin. IMO it is the other way around. Players do little things to get him off his game and it is not that hard to do. Personally I find his antics very entertaining and I hope he stays a #1 goalie on any of the Central teams for the rest of his career. He is not as good as people make him out to be.
 

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Winners:

Sens
Columbus
Wings

Sens, loads of draft picks. Added a 40+ goal scorer for very little. Young, fast and a decent amount of cap space.

Columbus, young and weaponized cap space and the right trades at the right time. Fast mobile D and added a top scoring threat. Mostly winner because they managed to score the highest available player to a team known for losing them. Contract will be questionable in a few years.

Wings, because Yzerman had a good draft again. Signings were a bit questionable but is doing the same thing he did in Tampa with a methodical series of signings and improvements.

Losers:

Flames
Leafs
Knights
Canucks

Flames lost their top scoring threat fir nothing getting Tavares'd in the process. That's always a loss. Didn't sign who or what they needed to replace it and may lose Tkachuk as well.

Leafs, again had to pay to get rid of a contract and then obtained an equally bad contract and called it a win. Still no upgrade on that blue line

Vegas....is a joke. Honestly, they're only relevant right now because GMs seem to line up to do them favours for quality players. If no GMs over the past 3 years traded for their cast offs the cap would have destroyed this team.

Canucks...JT Miller. All this hype, from TDL to Draft day and nothing, not a gd thing. This will hang over the team and he either gets traded by the TDL or walks for nothing and they lose our. For the 10th year in a row, did nothing to shore up, fix or draft any RHD worth getting excited about
 

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Tony DeA is a douche canoe but pretty good hockey player
Nicolas Deslauriers is not a first line talent but pretty good policeman to have on your team, one of the last true ones

Outside of that some depth signings. Flyers shouldn't do much anyway, they should be gunning for a high pick next year

Anyway, that's about 1000 times better than an usual offseason under Pierre Dorion
Problem is, the Flyers’ management thinks they built a playoff team. I wish they would just tank instead of paying 2nds for every year.
 

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Winners:

Sens
Columbus
Wings


Sens, loads of draft picks. Added a 40+ goal scorer for very little. Young, fast and a decent amount of cap space.

Columbus, young and weaponized cap space and the right trades at the right time. Fast mobile D and added a top scoring threat. Mostly winner because they managed to score the highest available player to a team known for losing them. Contract will be questionable in a few years.

Wings, because Yzerman had a good draft again. Signings were a bit questionable but is doing the same thing he did in Tampa with a methodical series of signings and improvements.

Losers:

Flames
Leafs
Knights
Canucks


Flames lost their top scoring threat fir nothing getting Tavares'd in the process. That's always a loss. Didn't sign who or what they needed to replace it and may lose Tkachuk as well.

Leafs, again had to pay to get rid of a contract and then obtained an equally bad contract and called it a win. Still no upgrade on that blue line

Vegas....is a joke. Honestly, they're only relevant right now because GMs seem to line up to do them favours for quality players. If no GMs over the past 3 years traded for their cast offs the cap would have destroyed this team.

Canucks...JT Miller. All this hype, from TDL to Draft day and nothing, not a gd thing. This will hang over the team and he either gets traded by the TDL or walks for nothing and they lose our. For the 10th year in a row, did nothing to shore up, fix or draft any RHD worth getting excited about

The Leafs blueline, by pretty much every defensive metric not affected by goaltending, is fine. That's how they managed to hit 115 points with .900 goaltending. HDSA, xGA, shots against, etc.

Don't really dispute putting Leafs into the loser category because of huge goaltending uncertainty and that Murray trade but IMO, the "Leafs D bad" narrative is a bit outdated.
 
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Problem is, the Flyers’ management thinks they built a playoff team. I wish they would just tank instead of paying 2nds for every year.

I see so they have the same problem the Hawks and not accepting that they're just not good enough and need a rebuild. This year would have been a very good season to tank...
 
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Avs likely lose Kadri & already lost Burak. + Kuemper.

2 Top6 F's & 1G.

How do the Avs plan on replacing them (just to get to ~ the same level as '22 team).

Manson was a solid re-sign, even at his age.

The ‘22 team beat the crap out of the west and pretty much all of the western playoff teams got worse as well. The team doesn’t necessarily have to be ‘22 good. The flat cap hit everybody.

Also, the team we start the season with won’t be the same team we start the playoffs with. A big reason we won this year was the in-season additions.

Goaltending is a big question mark but that’s the same as everybody else out west. We don’t have Shesterkins or Vasilevskiy’s.
 

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Winnners: Taking the easy choice, Sens, here.

Homer take: This year doesn't feel like it b/c CBJ doesn't make playoffs, but by 2025 Columbus feels like a winner from this free agency when Johnny Hockey is still elite and Columbus starts really contending (dare to dream??)

BOLD prediction: Tampa never regains their former glory, and all the long term extensions they signed feel like overpayment (even though I love Cirelli) for guys who were made better because of the team they played on. Thus, they are losers in this by the end.
 
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KCC

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Avs likely lose Kadri & already lost Burak. + Kuemper.

2 Top6 F's & 1G.

How do the Avs plan on replacing them (just to get to ~ the same level as '22 team).

Manson was a solid re-sign, even at his age.
They will be fine. Kuemper almost cost them the finals and they were fine without Kadri. Makar was the difference maker so as long as they have him they will be in the WCF at least for some years to come, esp with the West being so sub par. lol
 

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If you don’t think Philly is the biggest loser, you live and currently are under a rock.
As a CBJ fan, just hiring Torts makes you a winner. Provorov is going to benefit the most from him, but holy hell is Couturier/Hayes going to be brutal to play against in his system. Atkinson will be great in the locker room (can't think of a better guy) to introduce everyone.

Flyers could've only done better by hiring Trotz. Easily winners, culture changing!
 
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Tairy Greene

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Tampa and Colorado lost some key pieces and should be way less dominant in the playoffs. This is good news for the rest of the league. I think Edmonton made some smart moves and they aren't that far off, possibly a good defenseman/bottom 6 depth away from winning.
 

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How do people not mention the Wild ? They didn’t really do anything during free agency while losing their second best offensive player who was over PPG last season.

The Wild are trending to be a one line offensive threat next season
 

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