Proposal: Wings weaponizing Cap Space (Landenskog sign and trade)

[Hatter of the Beach]

Scenario

Wings sign Landenskog to a 5 year, 45 million dollar deal (9 AAV), with the understanding that the Wings immediately trade him back to the avs with 4 million dollar retainment.


Avs get Landenskog signed for the rest of his likely prime for 5 million dollar cap hit and save 20 million dollars of actual money

In return Wings get
1 of Byram/Newhook
2022 first (likely 26th+)
2023 first

Who says no? And is there a world where the general idea works but less/more is retained for differing return?

Edit: didn’t think it needed to be stated but all parties would obviously agree on the plan beforehand

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[hamzarocks]

I don't think the Red wings will suck for 5 more years

They should be rebuilt within 2 years and contending from the 4th year onwards

5 years of 4M dead cap could mess up their ability to retain their young talent long term

 

[Nemesis Prime]

Nope

 

[ManofSteel55]

You want the Wings to pay Landeskog 20 million over 4 years for a few draft picks?

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Are we really to believe that Landeskog independently signed with the Wings, but Detroit was presented with an offer too good not to immediately trade him (unprecedented) right back to the team in which he played for his entire career?

If not, that looks like cap circumvention.

 

[Hatter of the Beach]

Are we really to believe that Landeskog independently signed with the Wings, but Detroit was presented with an offer too good not to immediately trade him (unprecedented) right back to the team in which he played for his entire career?

If not, that looks like cap circumvention.

My scenario would obviously include all parties agreeing on the situation beforehand. Is there something in the CBA that limits a team doing this before a certain amount of games are played for the signing team (honest question)

 

[Guffman]

Are we really to believe that Landeskog independently signed with the Wings, but Detroit was presented with an offer too good not to immediately trade him (unprecedented) right back to the team in which he played for his entire career?

If not, that looks like cap circumvention.

We’ve seen teams this past season act as a third party to simply eat a portion of cap for trade compensation. If that isn’t considered cap circumvention, why should the OP proposal be?

 

[DomBarr]

Scenario

Wings sign Landenskog to a 5 year, 45 million dollar deal (9 AAV), only to immediately trade him back to the avs with 4 million dollar retainment.


Avs get Landenskog signed for the rest of his likely prime for 5 million dollar cap hit and save 20 million dollars of actual money

In return Wings get
1 of Byram/Newhook
2022 first (likely 26th+)
2023 first

Who says no? And is there a world where the general idea works but less/more is retained for differing return?

The League says hell no...
The avalanche say no cause its not worth it
Landeskog say yes but then say crap when the league says hell no
The wings probably say sure...but it doesn't matter cause the league says hell no so now they are stuck with an overpaid Landeskog

 

[DomBarr]

We’ve seen teams this past season act as a third party to simply eat a portion of cap for trade compensation. If that isn’t considered cap circumvention, why should the OP proposal be?

because a team wouldn't sign a UFA to a high price contract only to trade him back to the original team a few days later...
it smells of collusion and tampering.

 

[Henkka]

These things won't happen, because UFAs want longer commitment and teams don't want to eat salary that long. It could work with a short-term deal.

But which UFA has signed short-term in their prime?

Hossa at 2009?

 

[hamzarocks]

These things won't happen, because UFAs want longer commitment and teams don't want to eat salary that long. It could work with a short-term deal.

But which UFA has signed short-term in their prime?

Hossa at 2009?

Hall as well last year

 

[Guffman]

because a team wouldn't sign a UFA to a high price contract only to trade him back to the original team a few days later...
it smells of collusion and tampering.

Is there an actual NHL rule on this because using third party teams to eat cap also seems stinky to me.

 

[StreetHawk]

You want the Wings to pay Landeskog 20 million over 4 years for a few draft picks?

As well what is Landy looking for cash wise in total over a max term deal? Say it’s $60 mill which is $7.5 mill AAV. Doubt he wants to leave $15 mill on the table potentially.

 

[TCNorthstars]

Scenario

Wings sign Landenskog to a 5 year, 45 million dollar deal (9 AAV), with the understanding that the Wings immediately trade him back to the avs with 4 million dollar retainment.


Avs get Landenskog signed for the rest of his likely prime for 5 million dollar cap hit and save 20 million dollars of actual money

In return Wings get
1 of Byram/Newhook
2022 first (likely 26th+)
2023 first

Who says no? And is there a world where the general idea works but less/more is retained for differing return?

Edit: didn’t think it needed to be stated but all parties would obviously agree on the plan beforehand

Even if it were allowed, the Wings say no quickly. It would cost way more than a top prospect and 2 statistically likely 3rd liners (late 1sts) to eat 20 million.

 

[nickschultzfan]

I am surprised that the Wings didn't try to milk the Wild for lots of picks to rid them of Parise and Suter. Seems like a missed opportunity.

 

[Hatter of the Beach]

I am surprised that the Wings didn't try to milk the Wild for lots of picks to rid them of Parise and Suter. Seems like a missed opportunity.

Same. Would not be surprised if they attempt a similar idea as the OP (scaled down a lot) for Suter ( 2 year 4 mil deal before retaining then moved to a contender)

 

[StreetHawk]

I am surprised that the Wings didn't try to milk the Wild for lots of picks to rid them of Parise and Suter. Seems like a missed opportunity.

Those guys have nmc which they likely would enforce to avoid going to Detroit’s rebuild. Can’t expect guys to want to go there and still want the team to tank. They have their money so will want to pick their destination.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

We’ve seen teams this past season act as a third party to simply eat a portion of cap for trade compensation. If that isn’t considered cap circumvention, why should the OP proposal be?

A third party intermediary can at least argue that flipping is not an unusual act outside of that scenario. San Jose traded for Martin Jones and Mike Hoffman and dealt both before either played in a game for the team.

What happens in this hypothetical is too obvious. It's an act to manipulate the cap and nothing else.

 

[The Merchant]

lol give me a break

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

My scenario would obviously include all parties agreeing on the situation beforehand. Is there something in the CBA that limits a team doing this before a certain amount of games are played for the signing team (honest question)

No. It's an unprecedented act, however, and it just adds to the obviousness of what is being attempted here.

Circumvention is at the league's discretion and the Kovalchuk ruling should offer strong precedent in however they want to decide.

 

[SML2]

You know the war is over when historically bitter rivals would even speak this idea out loud.

 

[its josh]

Googles how to punch someone through the internet

 

[Regal]

Ignoring the circumvention aspect, that's a huge price for the Avs to pay for 4 million in cap savings. You could probably just get a better, younger player than Landeskog for that.

 

[ThePsychicSaw]

You want the Wings to pay Landeskog 20 million over 4 years for a few draft picks?

a sizable selection of posters, under the impression the wild buyouts were for protecting dumba at the time, were more than fine paying 12- 14 million for 3 years for a few draft picks (i.e. not paying Seattle two 1sts or even one 1st to not pick dumba)

 

[Linds]

This is probably up there for stupid post of the year. Lock it up