Prospect Info: Wings Prospect Discussion

[19 for president]

Very obvious KHL and liiga bias by the writer.

Yeah I'm not sure how you can have Kiisk over ASP just from a Wings prospect performance. SEL is clearly the dominant league of the two.

 

[RRhoads]

Yeah I'm not sure how you can have Kiisk over ASP just from a Wings prospect performance. SEL is clearly the dominant league of the two.

It's about breakout seasons, not who's the best prospect.

 

[HoweFan]

He can rank em however he wants. We got three great prospects on the way and we didn’t mention MBN

 

[Mo Kasmond]

ASP and Buchelnikov in the top 5, with Kiiskinen as the honourable?

That's who I thought it would be but was surprised to find Buchelnikov and Kiiskinen in the top 5 with ASP as an honourable mention

 

[JediOrderPizza]

So what's the playoff situation in the SHL, is it best of five? I saw ASP's team won today and MBN had a nice wrister.

 

[Coach Reggie Dunlop]

So what's the playoff situation in the SHL, is it best of five? I saw ASP's team won today and MBN had a nice wrister.

Best of 7.

 

[Mo Kasmond]

After a disappointing regular season (statistically) dropped from 41-8-10-18 to 42-5-6-11, MBN is scoring in the playoffs again 4-2-1-3. ASP is 4-0-3-3. MBN playoff performance last year 12-4-6-10 boosted his draft stock and he is off to a good start again.
Both Elite and Hockeydb have the Skulleftea playing 4 games but the team up 3 games to none in their current series against Farjestad. I don't understand where the 4th game comes from.

 

[lidstromiscool]

After a disappointing regular season (statistically) dropped from 41-8-10-18 to 42-5-6-11, MBN is scoring in the playoffs again 4-2-1-3. ASP is 4-0-3-3. MBN playoff performance last year 12-4-6-10 boosted his draft stock and he is off to a good start again.
Both Elite and Hockeydb have the Skulleftea playing 4 games but the team up 3 games to none in their current series against Farjestad. I don't understand where the 4th game comes from.

He went from Allsvenskan to the SHL, so his stats didn't drop. The SHL is insanely hard to score in, especially for a 19 year old. The fact that he's producing as a 19 year old in the playoffs is a great sign. He plays a playoff style game which is pretty intriguing, assuming we make the playoffs some day

 

[wingerdinger]

After a disappointing regular season (statistically) dropped from 41-8-10-18 to 42-5-6-11, MBN is scoring in the playoffs again 4-2-1-3. ASP is 4-0-3-3. MBN playoff performance last year 12-4-6-10 boosted his draft stock and he is off to a good start again.
Both Elite and Hockeydb have the Skulleftea playing 4 games but the team up 3 games to none in their current series against Farjestad. I don't understand where the 4th game comes from.

Farjestad won the first game of the series. If you look at the scoreboard in the clip you shared it shows where the series is at. It says 2-1 for skelleftea.

 

[deca guard]

UNDER 23 FORWARDS :

FINNIE
PLANTE
NYGARD
BUCHELNIKOV
KIISKINEN
DANIELSSON
LOMBARDI
MAZUR
KASPER
RAYMOND

 

[Mo Kasmond]

Farjestad won the first game of the series. If you look at the scoreboard in the clip you shared it shows where the series is at. It says 2-1 for skelleftea.

Still doesn't explain where the 4t game comes from

 

[wingerdinger]

Still doesn't explain where the 4t game comes from

they were playing the 4th game that made the series 3-1

 

[ShanahanMan]

Need to pray one of Kiiskinen, Buchelnikov or Finnie hits because it ain’t looking good for Danielson or MBN.

 

[Run the Jewels]

Need to pray one of Kiiskinen, Buchelnikov or Finnie hits because it ain’t looking good for Danielson or MBN.

I get being unimpressed with Danielson's 9 goals, but what's wrong with Brandsegg-Nygård? He's turning out in the playoffs as a 19 year old in a men's league.

 

[ShanahanMan]

I get being unimpressed with Danielson's 9 goals, but what's wrong with Brandsegg-Nygård? He's turning out in the playoffs as a 19 year old in a men's league.

If there was even a shred of likelihood he would finish with barely 10 points in his D+1, he would not have even been picked in the 1st round.

 

[saska sault]

If there was even a shred of likelihood he would finish with barely 10 points in his D+1, he would not have even been picked in the 1st round.

Raymond scored 28 points across 2 season in the same league. Wild thought but stat sheets are not an indication of future success.

 

[ShanahanMan]

Raymond scored 28 points across 2 season in the same league. Wild thought but stat sheets are not an indication of future success.

Okay man. Watch some games, he doesn’t generate anything.

 

[RabidBadger]

Larry Keenan played pretty well for UMass in the two tournament games they were in. He was on the ice at crucial times and always seemed to make smart plays in both zones. It will be interesting to see if he ups his game going forward. I wasn't wowed, but I liked what I saw.

 

[RedHawkDown]

Raymond scored 28 points across 2 season in the same league. Wild thought but stat sheets are not an indication of future success.

Single best predictor of NHL success, by a huge margin too.

 

[saska sault]

Single best predictor of NHL success, by a huge margin too.

I should have said "not only indication". How many kids put up a point per game in the CHL, play in the world juniors and never play an NHL game. Then you have how many players like Kasper and hopefully Danielson that may not set the AHL on fire but go on to become highly productive and useful NHL players. Its always nice to see your teams prospects filling the goals and assist column but sometimes those intangible traits are overlooked.

Looking at the top 20 scorers in the AHL currently and not seeing a Danielson doesn't make me worry too much. Same goes for MBN in the SHL.

 

[Crunchy]

Single best predictor of NHL success, by a huge margin too.

You keep saying this, but no, the NHL Draft order is a better indicator than pure statistics. Which means that expert evaluations (taking into account both statistics, direct observation, and other soft skills) is clearly (and obviously) superior than stat watching.

 

[RedHawkDown]

You keep saying this, but no, the NHL Draft order is a better indicator than pure statistics. Which means that expert evaluations (taking into account both statistics, direct observation, and other soft skills) is clearly (and obviously) superior than stat watching.

It actually isn’t. There was an article on this a while back - I’ll try to find it - where someone redrafted based on just junior scoring snd it fared much better than who NHL teams actually drafted.

 

[RRhoads]

It actually isn’t. There was an article on this a while back - I’ll try to find it - where someone redrafted based on just junior scoring snd it fared much better than who NHL teams actually drafted.

We've had quite a few players that tore it up in juniors, and it didn't translate to NHL.

MBN's stats are pretty good with the national team where he actually gets ice time.

 

[saska sault]

We've had quite a few players that tore it up in juniors, and it didn't translate to NHL.

MBN's stats are pretty good with the national team where he actually gets ice time.

Ryan Sproul - CHL defenseman of the year

Always comes to mind as I remember watching his junior career here in the Sault

Also an Olympian for team China

 

[RedHawkDown]

Not saying junior success = NHL success. Just saying that lack of junior success very often does = lack of NHL success. Obviously other things matter. But lack of production isn't irrelevant to future success, it's the one thing that's the most relevant.

A Data-driven look at the top 250 prospects in the 2023 NHL Draft

Here is a data-driven look at how the top 250 prospects stack up for the upcoming NHL Entry Draft.

soundofhockey.com

Here's a 2023 ranking based entirely on stats. 2 years later, this is pretty close to how all of these guys have performed in higher leagues. And it's not a crazy different draft than what actually went down.