Prospect Info: Wings Prospect Discussion

[Konnan511]

How is Augustine that far ahead of Cossa?

Personally, I feel Augustine is a more promising prospect. I have never been super impressed with Cossa, until earlier this year. I like his athleticism, but hate his positioning and decision making, and I don't think he is tough enough mentally. I think Trey is better at everything, except for athleticism, but it isn't that great of a difference. Trey also seems substantially more mentally tough.

 

[Frk It]

Aside from being a little bit bigger, does Cleveland do anything better than Keenan?

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Personally, I feel Augustine is a more promising prospect. I have never been super impressed with Cossa, until earlier this year. I like his athleticism, but hate his positioning and decision making, and I don't think he is tough enough mentally. I think Trey is better at everything, except for athleticism, but it isn't that great of a difference. Trey also seems substantially more mentally tough.

I rated Cossa as the #1 Detroit prospect NOW. But I agree that Augustine could very well become a better player. He just seems so dialed in at all times, and all he does is win. WJC18 gold and silver. WJC20 Goldx2 and bronze. NCAA B1G tournament MVP and 2nd all star team. NCAA All rookie team. Never more than 9 losses in a single season in his career. This kid has the "it" factor out the wazoo.

Cossa may be the goalie of the future...for 3 or 4 years. Unless he can be Connor Helebuyck, Oettinger, or our Roberto Luongo.

Augustine is the guy I think Detroit keep longer term if everything goes right and Cossa wants big money. At worst, Augustine looks like a 1b starter to me with the potential to be in the very good to great starter range. I think he's a way better prospect than Dustin Wolf was at the same age, and Dustin Wolf is looking really solid for Calgary. But between Augustine and Cossa, I think Detroit's goalie problems are solved for the next 8-10 years.

 

[Ed Ned and Leddy]

I feel like people sometimes overlook that Cossa was very strong in the Oil Kings 2022 WHL Cup run. Yes that team was pretty loaded, but Cossa was a large part of why they were loaded too.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I feel like people sometimes overlook that Cossa was very strong in the Oil Kings 2022 WHL Cup run. Yes that team was pretty loaded, but Cossa was a large part of why they were loaded too.

Nobody overlooks it. I think it's as simple as this; At the same point in Cossa's development he was not as good as Augustine is now.

Cossa was drafted as a mid 1st rounder in the 2021 draft, a pretty solid overall draft. His D+1 wasn't really much better than his draft year, and his D+2 wasn't anything spectacular. He's still doing pretty good but over the last 7 games his save percentage has dipped a bit, averaging around .885. He wasn't the starter on that Canada U20 WJC gold medal squad and only got into a single game. First goalie drafted that year but there's been a longstanding debate as to if he was the best goalie of his draft class.

Augustine was drafted as an early/mid 2nd rounder but since being drafted has absolutely taken off. Winningest goalie in US history at the WJC U20. 3 golds with Team USA, all as starter. 34-11-4 record with a .919 save percentage on a middle of the road NCAA team. He was the 3rd goalie drafted but is clearly the best from his class.

I think we have a lot to be excited about in Augustine. All the kid does is win.

 

[heyfolks]

Personally, I feel Augustine is a more promising prospect. I have never been super impressed with Cossa, until earlier this year. I like his athleticism, but hate his positioning and decision making, and I don't think he is tough enough mentally. I think Trey is better at everything, except for athleticism, but it isn't that great of a difference. Trey also seems substantially more mentally tough.

The snarky response is something about hockey, and sport in general, being about athleticism. The more sincere response is, I actually think Trey is more athletic. Cossa is simply in that big have to prove they can't and little have to prove they can position.

Ogee laid out both of their progress well.

Now, don't take this the wrong way, I am agreeing with you. I actually think Trey is the more promising prospect. I hope both are great, but Trey has been more consistent and played at a higher level than Cossa at the same age/stage of their respective careers.

 

[Crunchy]

Frankly, Augustine and Cossa have not had even remotely comparable career paths. Cossa D+1 he was good in the WHL regular season and great during a championship run. He then jumped to the ECHL for his D+2.

 

[OldnotDeadWings]

Cossa was drafted having played only 52 WHL games, 19 in his Draft year against only the other teams in a weak division, no playoff games. That's a really weak resume for a first-round CHL goalie. There were probably undrafted US high school goalies more techniically advanced than Cossa but none who were 6-6 athletes with great flexibility posting great numbers. It was incrredibly ballsy to trade up for him. He was good the following season, but the numbers weren't nearly as impressive and a more accurate reflection of where he was at that point in his development. It should not have surprised anyone he was the backup at the 2022 WJC; Garand was more experienced with good WHL numbers and most importantly part of TC before. That's how HC rolls and it was the right decision. Cossa also wasn't great at the Memorial Cup.

It wasn't until he turned pro, older than Augustine is now, that Cossa IMO started to learrn what Augustine probably had down pat at 17, his second year with USNTDP. In addition to technical skills Trey's also quick and flexible, a good athlete. Cossa's made huge strides since turning pro which I think is simply due to his work with better coaches than he had access to as a teenager. Both goalies are great prospects but on completely different playing and development paths that make it impossible to know at this time who will be the better NHL goalle. It's important to hang onto both of them until we do know.