Confirmed with Link: Wings out of the bidding for Lecavalier, according to Khan (post #743)

[ricky0034]

really just nitpicking here I guess but i've seen it multiple times(including in that free press article) and it's driving me crazy

LECAVALIER IS 33 NOT 34!!!! HE'S ONLY EVEN BEEN 33 FOR 2 MONTHS SO HE ISN'T EVEN CLOSE TO 34!!!!

 

[Henkka]

Pretty much. 3x7 is a lot.. but maybe i'd do it if that's what it takes. I'd prefer it to stay under 6 mil though but yeah have to give to get.

And yeah, someone will give him that 6 year offer. But with Vinny, he's made a lot of money so maybe that's not what he is after, this is sort of unique situation with the buyout.

I think he just wants stability. Where to live without another threat to be moved again.

Term could be the problem for Wings, if he'll want a too long contract. Same problem with Filppula.

 

[MrTaterSalad]

Because (assuming Filppula is gone) we have no true #2 C.

Z, Dats, Helm and Andersson. Assuming Horton was the only singing, I wouldn't stop at Horton, but assuming he was...

Franzen/Z/Brunner
Nyquist/Dats/Horton
Tatar/Andersson/Abdelkader
Miller/Helm/Eaves

 

[InjuredChoker]

Z, Dats, Helm and Andersson. Assuming Horton was the only singing, I wouldn't stop at Horton, but assuming he was...

Franzen/Z/Brunner
Nyquist/Dats/Horton
Tatar/Andersson/Abdelkader
Miller/Helm/Eaves

Management probably wants the Euro twins to play together. Maybe they want, too.

Easier on Z's back.

Then separate lines on playoffs etc.

 

[odin1981]

Yeah, I would still be pumped if we signed him. The more you think about it though, the more you realize a 34 year old is pretty old for a team trying to get younger. And, like you said, we already have 2 great top 2 centers. With Sheahan and Jarnkrok on the way, more then 3 years might be too long.

Elite wingers should be the focus IMO (AKA BOBBY RYAN)

We need nothing to do with ryan. Not for what he would cost. Not for his effort in the real season (playoffs). He is a younger franzen that won't come cheap when it comes to re up him.

I'd be a fan of either of these two fa pickups: Jagr 1-2 years 3-4 million aav or Lecav 3-4 years 5-5.5 aav.

In a perfect world we could get both and resign brunner for 1-2 years @ 3-3.5 aav. It would allow us to roll 3 scoring lines. But we would need to trade quincey (for pick/s not another player), buyout sammy, hopefully ditch emmerton for a 7th. Tootoo would have to go as well (again another 5-7 rounder maybe a 3-4 rounder if someone was stupid).

 

[bababooeyII]

Say no to Stalberg. The guy is soft, and is a me first guy, no competitiveness. What kind of guy complains during the playoffs about his playing time? The only reason why some of you want him is because he's Swedish, I'm telling you the Wngs should stay away, want to take a chance on someone, try Clowe for cheap.

 

[Frk It]

Say no to Stalberg. The guy is soft, and is a me first guy, no competitiveness. What kind of guy complains during the playoffs about his playing time? The only reason why some of you want him is because he's Swedish, I'm telling you the Wngs should stay away, want to take a chance on someone, try Clowe for cheap.

I would want him because he's 6'3", one of the fastest guys in the league, and put up 22 goals with no PP time playing 3rd line minutes.

Big, fast, and offensive upside, and will probably come at a decent price. Yeah I'd take Stalberg.

 

[bababooeyII]

I would want him because he's 6'3", one of the fastest guys in the league, and put up 22 goals with no PP time playing 3rd line minutes.

Big, fast, and offensive upside, and will probably come at a decent price. Yeah I'd take Stalberg.

But when the games count the most the guy is nowhere to be found. Where do you play him? He wants top line minutes and he wants to play in the power play. Wi cares that he's 6ft 3, he is soft. Franzen is 6ft 3 and 220 lbs, how is that working out for him? Means nothing if you play small. As for his speed, great he was not a factor in the Stanley cup playoffs. Not worth it, pass.

 

[Frk It]

But when the games count the most the guy is nowhere to be found. Where do you play him? He wants top line minutes and he wants to play in the power play. Wi cares that he's 6ft 3, he is soft. Franzen is 6ft 3 and 220 lbs, how is that working out for him? Means nothing if you play small. As for his speed, great he was not a factor in the Stanley cup playoffs. Not worth it, pass.

You, like many others, are over-reacting to the fact that he was a scratch in the playoffs IMO.

I would play him on the 3rd line and on the 1st or 2nd PP unit.

Even if you don't play physical, being 6'3" and 220 lbs certainly helps. Makes you harder to knock off the puck and gives you a reach advantage that helps to protect the puck.

In 11-12 every single poster on this board would have wanted Stalberg. Now because he sat a couple games in the playoffs it's 50/50. Look at the big picture guys, not just the most recent stuff.

 

[bababooeyII]

You, like many others, are over-reacting to the fact that he was a scratch in the playoffs IMO.

I would play him on the 3rd line and on the 1st or 2nd PP unit.

Even if you don't play physical, being 6'3" and 220 lbs certainly helps. Makes you harder to knock off the puck and gives you a reach advantage that helps to protect the puck.

In 11-12 every single poster on this board would have wanted Stalberg. Now because he sat a couple games in the playoffs it's 50/50. Look at the big picture guys, not just the most recent stuff.

That is not where he wants to play, that is where he played in Chicago and complained. I think it is very telling when you are supposedly one of the top players on the team (top 6 to 8?) and are in the pressbox while your team is fighting for a Cup. How is it an overreaction to point out that when the game was on the line he was not on the ice? Healthy scratch for most of the playoffs and when he did play his stats were awful. He's seeking about $2.5mm/yr, why should the Wings pay that?

 

[djdan6215]

in my opinion lecavalier want to play with the wings he want to win right now and the wings made the playoffs each year ...

wings ...winning tradition

 

[Frk It]

That is not where he wants to play, that is where he played in Chicago and complained. I think it is very telling when you are supposedly one of the top players on the team (top 6 to 8?) and are in the pressbox while your team is fighting for a Cup. How is it an overreaction to point out that when the game was on the line he was not on the ice? Healthy scratch for most of the playoffs and when he did play his stats were awful. He's seeking about $2.5mm/yr, why should the Wings pay that?

Well for 1, we don't know the actual reasons why Stalberg was scratched. So hard to make a judgement on that. If he was frustrated and wanted more ice time, I can see where he's coming from. Plays on a really good, really deep team and he wants more minutes. Could be a frustrating situation if that's the case. It's a good thing we are no where as deep as the Hawks were at forward last year.

Why should you pay 2.5 million to Stalberg?

Because the last full season of hockey he played he scored 22 goals with no Power Play time. You give him good linemates, a locker room full of Swedes, and 2nd pp unit time and he could potentially give you 20-25 goals for 2.5 million dollars. That's actually one hell of a bargain considering that is probably what Clarkson or Horton would give you for double the cost.

If he wants to play him in the top 6 we will have plenty of holes to fill there too with the departure of Filppula and potentially more guys.

 

[bababooeyII]

Well for 1, we don't know the actual reasons why Stalberg was scratched. So hard to make a judgement on that. If he was frustrated and wanted more ice time, I can see where he's coming from. Plays on a really good, really deep team and he wants more minutes. Could be a frustrating situation if that's the case. It's a good thing we are no where as deep as the Hawks were at forward last year.

Why should you pay 2.5 million to Stalberg?

Because the last full season of hockey he played he scored 22 goals with no Power Play time. You give him good linemates, a locker room full of Swedes, and 2nd pp unit time and he could potentially give you 20-25 goals for 2.5 million dollars. That's actually one hell of a bargain considering that is probably what Clarkson or Horton would give you for double the cost.

If he wants to play him in the top 6 we will have plenty of holes to fill there too with the departure of Filppula and potentially more guys.

Well if you believe the coach they had concerns for his competitiveness, and when he was taken off the power play unit he publicly complained. You mentioned Clarkson and Horton at least they compete every game and when not scoring provide muscle and grit, Stalberg disappears. And you proved to me that the only reason he makes your radar is because he's Swedish, like that is going to help. I got news for you, he played with Swedes and the fact that Detroit's locker room is full of Swedes has yet to help guys like Franzen and Samuelsson.

 

[Frk It]

Well if you believe the coach they had concerns for his competitiveness, and when he was taken off the power play unit he publicly complained. You mentioned Clarkson and Horton at least they compete every game and when not scoring provide muscle and grit, Stalberg disappears. And you proved to me that the only reason he makes your radar is because he's Swedish, like that is going to help. I got news for you, he played with Swedes and the fact that Detroit's locker room is full of Swedes has yet to help guys like Franzen and Samuelsson.

No that doesn't prove your point, because you don't understand my point.

I don't care that Stalberg is Swedish, makes no difference to me. I'm American.

but there's a couple things:

1) Having a lot of guys that are Swedish might make Detroit an attractive destination for a guy who is Swedish.
2) Having a Swedish captain and alternate (Zetterberg & Kronwall) would probably defuse some of the situations that escalated in Chicago because they are generally great locker-room guys and fellow counrtymen.

So no, I'm not a fanboy of Swedish players or anything like that. But if you don't think those things play a factor in other ways than I don't know what to tell you. People have been saying we need more Russians for Datsyuk to play with for years.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Z, Dats, Helm and Andersson. Assuming Horton was the only singing, I wouldn't stop at Horton, but assuming he was...

Franzen/Z/Brunner
Nyquist/Dats/Horton
Tatar/Andersson/Abdelkader
Miller/Helm/Eaves

I saw an article somewhere that Holland does'nt have interest in either Horton or Clarkson so it sounds like neither one is an option.

 

[RedWingsNow*]

Actually I wasn't referring to you at all, but to the person you responded to.



Disregarding your taunts and name calling, what is incorrect about the statement that there's nobody clearly better in the central than us but Chicago? We'd be in the middle of the pack with St. Louis and Columbus, with Nashville bringing up the rear.



The word you're looking for is pessimism, and its not as needed as you think. You treat optimism like its a cancer.

No. The word I am looking for is REALISM.

Once again, Red Wings fans rip and attempt to ground expectations as negativity or pessimism.

I responded to someone who said the Wings should expect to finish no worse than 2nd.
The counterweight to ridiculous is to mention that the opposite is also possible..

That's not being negative.

You have to live in a fairy tale world to believe that's negative.

It's realistic.

The only way to be realistic is to consider that every outcome has a potential upside and potential downside.

So when some chucklehead lists only the positive side, listing the POSSIBLE negative side isn't "pessimism"

It's realism.

And you may think I'm taunting people with the "sunshine and lollipop brigade" stuff -- but holy ****ing ****

All you have to do is read this thread to see how ridiculous this "optimism is."

 

[RedWingsNow*]

Why the hell does Vinny want six years? That is just ridiculously greedy. Wings basically have zero chance of signing him if those are his contract demands. Some moron GM will gladly fork over a 6x6 contract and basically end any chance of Vinny coming to Detroit. There is just no way that a GM like Ken Holland will ever get any marquee FA's since 34 year old centers can get such absurd contracts. I would offer a 3x7 deal and that's it. I am not too keen on having four 30+ players on 6+ year contracts. Wings have 1-2 years left where they can still count on Datsyuk and Z being the straw that stirs the drink. I would be willing to do 8x4 Holland could get an agreement under the table where Vinny retires after three years. The cap hit is pretty irrelevant.

If you were Vinny, wouldn't you want 6 years at $6M instead of 2 years at $6M?

Who knows ... maybe he can get bought out again next offseason

 

[InjuredChoker]

If you were Vinny, wouldn't you want 6 years at $6M instead of 2 years at $6M?

Who knows ... maybe he can get bought out again next offseason

I think you're not totally serious but

Can't be compliance buyout. They can't be used for contracts signed after sept. 15th 2012.

 

[RedWingsNow*]

I think you're not totally serious but

Can't be compliance buyout. They can't be used for contracts signed after sept. 15th 2012.

Actually, thanks. I was wondering about that. Makes sense.

 

[Boomhower]

So is there any confirmation that Detroit is one of the 15 teams that are showing interest?

I know Vinny has already met with Jim Nill and the Dallas Stars.

 

[Heaton]

So is there any confirmation that Detroit is one of the 15 teams that are showing interest?

I know Vinny has already met with Jim Nill and the Dallas Stars.

https://twitter.com/HeleneStJames/status/351311263747411968

 

[Syckle78]

No. The word I am looking for is REALISM.

Once again, Red Wings fans rip and attempt to ground expectations as negativity or pessimism.

I responded to someone who said the Wings should expect to finish no worse than 2nd.
The counterweight to ridiculous is to mention that the opposite is also possible..

That's not being negative.

You have to live in a fairy tale world to believe that's negative.

It's realistic.

The only way to be realistic is to consider that every outcome has a potential upside and potential downside.

So when some chucklehead lists only the positive side, listing the POSSIBLE negative side isn't "pessimism"

It's realism.

And you may think I'm taunting people with the "sunshine and lollipop brigade" stuff -- but holy ****ing ****

All you have to do is read this thread to see how ridiculous this "optimism is."

It's not that realistic when you look at the bottom three teams. I pointed it and you glossed over it. Who out of Buffalo, Tampa and Florida are the Wings going to realistically finish behind. The two teams drafting in the top three or the one that finshed out of the playoffs last year and is going into a rebuild?

 

[InjuredChoker]

It's not that realistic when you look at the bottom three teams. I pointed it and you glossed over it. Who out of Buffalo, Tampa and Florida are the Wings going to realistically finish behind. The two teams drafting in the top three or the one that finshed out of the playoffs last year and is going into a rebuild?

Habs did draft in top three 2012 and won their division this past year, though.

 

[InjuredChoker]

So is there any confirmation that Detroit is one of the 15 teams that are showing interest?

I know Vinny has already met with Jim Nill and the Dallas Stars.

Elliotte Friedman ‏@FriedgeHNIC 14 h
Check that: hearing Lecavalier will meet with Detroit and Calgary tomorrow. Two meetings, not one.

Elliotte Friedman ‏@FriedgeHNIC 1 h
Autocorrect is the worst. Seriously, this is progress? Calgary and Detroit today for Lecavalier. No one else.

 

[Boomhower]

https://twitter.com/HeleneStJames/status/351311263747411968

Awesome, thanks Heaton.

Fingers crossed our reputation of loyalty and royal treatment of veterans gives us a shot... definitey can't hurt.