Post-Game Talk: Wings 4 - Jets 2

[Jet]

When does berg come back?
Why can’t kc score?
That 3rd goal is on Heinola.

	Player	Pos	GP	G	A	P	+/-	PIM	PPG	SHG	GWG	OTG	S	S%	TOI/G	SFT/G	FO%
1	Kyle Connor	L	41	22	30	52

He scores just fine. Why can't Perfetti score?

"there's nothing they can prove until playoffs, so I'm just going to show up during losing streaks shout I told you so and hide during winning streaks" like what a f***ing loser mentality

I've been using the ignore feature more than ever and it really helps!

 

[Jet]

They played a good second period. Asides that
Sorry HF heinola and Perfetti just ain't it this year. Need Samberg back and a trade for the fwds.

Oooooh don't say that, you're bound to get some laughing emojis added to your post.

Fraudulent starts are killing this team....

Yup - good point. They get scored on because they aren't ready, and then they are playing catch up all game which isn't where this team plays it's best.

That's on coaching. Arniel has to find a way to get these guys ready to play at puck drop.

 

[Slimy Sculpin]

Jets take an L. The PGT:
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I'm onside with your ideas about an internal shake up.

 

[Jet]

2 posts, 2 blocks, 2 hits. Some good d play and and a couple nice setups. Not sure he is the guy to pick on tonight

He's paid to score goals. He's on the second line and PP2 to score goals. Again, it's not all his fault, and I'd be looking at some changes to that line to help him, but this is starting to look like an MO for the guy - long goalless streaks. If we go into the playoffs as a 1 line scoring team we are doomed.

At some point, there are no more excuses - the guy has to score if he wants to be a second line winger on a supposed contender.

 

[Jet]

I remember when there was discussion around his new contract and there were some very big numbers being tossed around.
So for those that were part of that, I can see why they would be really disappointed (not referring to you btw).
But in the end, you'd think his shortfalls wouldn't be that hard to recognize - he's small and slow.
And if you are both of those in this league, you will have a tough time most nights.

He's also young and has some time to grow and learn.
But I'd get him off the wing because he is can't get anything going when playing up and down the ice between the hash marks - they ride him off into the walls on most plays. Give him another shot at C and see if he can use his strengths (playmaking) in support of the other two.
That's asking a lot from the kid but IMO, he's better suited for that role over the one he has now.
I'd at least try it again and go from there - can't be any less productive.

Anyway, tough game - some back luck and a slow start - and a redwing team that is now on a misison - they are playing better than their record.

He definitely shows a propensity for C. That one play last night where he scooped that centering pass in his zone was prime C positioning. I'd really love to see him slide to C, and bring Chibby up at the least.

Niku holy f***

Don't worry, we have 'New Niku'

I'm going to start calling Heinola Sami

I would just like to pipe in with the fact that with 27 wins the jets have the most wins in the league I'll let myself out.

Thank you for your service

 

[Jet]

Crazy how the same 2 posters who never post anything in PGTs after wins account for half the posts after a loss

I wonder if anyone who is complaining about the Jets having two stretches of games with poor play have bothered to take a look at all the other teams in the top 10 and go through their 10 game splits

The past 5 or 10 games doesn't define a team - good or bad

It's just the nature of this board, unfortunately. People have a bias and they are unable or unwilling to look at it objectively (or are just trolling)

Same thing with Logan Stanley. Outside of a couple of plays where he made a mistake or missed a play (like all other D do), he's been moving the puck extremely well. He is showing a ton of poise in his zone, and is contributing offensively.

However, theres the Hate Stan Gang that would NEVER give him any credit for his improved play, but they'll sure as f*** jump on him for anything negative that happens when he's on the ice, even if it's no fault of his.

Hell, he could have a mistake free game in a loss and you'll still see people in the PGT bitching that he's somehow the reason we're losing.

If someone can't be objective or have an independent thought or respecful discussion on here, I got no time for them. I have to be close to my ignore limit by now

 

[ps241]

Lol
I’m guessing I’m not seeing certain posts but I have some guesses

Me either. I have curated my existence on this board.

 

[Jet]

Sorry to get meta but why do people come on here to primarily comment on what other people are or are not commenting on. I feel like when my toddlers were fighting and I had to be like play with your toy and stop biting your sister.

I think it's because the majority of us want to have cogent, respectful discussions with others who are openminded and capable of objectivity and actually listening to the other side.

I love discussing the Jets here, there are some on this board that I rarely agree with, but I love their presence on the board because they present their arguments in a well thought out way, respectfully.

I mean, they're still wrong... but...

 

[Jet]

Lol

If Villardi had hit 13 posts to this point you would be saying. How great he is playing and how eventually they will go in.

That is such a limp argument. The difference is, Vilardi cashes in on his chances. That's what seperates many players in the NHL. They all have a high level of skill, but there are plenty of guys where you just think "If they could just make good on their chances they would be a top 6 player"

Some guys just bear down and get it done, and that's what makes them stars. Other guys can't and that's what makes them a 4th liner with obvious skill (think Joel Armia for instance)

 

[Jack7222]

I think it's because the majority of us want to have cogent, respectful discussions with others who are openminded and capable of objectivity and actually listening to the other side.

I love discussing the Jets here, there are some on this board that I rarely agree with, but I love their presence on the board because they present their arguments in a well thought out way, respectfully.

I mean, they're still wrong... but...

I think it's more pro-org people vs people who criticise the org. There are people around here who are among the rudest and least respectful posters but because they tend to be 'pro org', they rarely come under the wrath of the arbiters-of-whether-people-post-correctly. Sports are emotional and I think people often just have a hard time seeing their favourite teams and players receive criticism.

I personally get more exhausted with the constant commentary about what others are allowed to post (whether they post more after losses, after wins, say X about this player but not enough about Y player, are biased in this and that way, etc etc etc) and wish people would just discuss the posts at hand and leave it at that. But, there are all types around here I suppose.

 

[hn777]

To those suggesting substituting Perfetti and/or Namestnikov from the 2B line, may I suggest looking at that line as a shutdown line similar to the (2A) Lowry line .....and the problem goes away!!

PNE has allowed 6 goals against all season. Six! The Lowry line (NLA) has allowed 7 GA, while the Scheifele line (CSV) has allowed 24 GA. The difference really is, that the Scheifele line is high event (lots of goals for but also against), while the Namestnikov line is low event (less goals for but even fewer against). Both Namestnikov and Perfetti have excellent defensive awareness and positioning, and works well with Ehlers' oneman raids.
I am aware, they have primarily offensive zone starts (similar to the Scheifele line), while the opposite is true for the Lowry line, but with regards to playstyle they share the same ability to shutdown the opposition.

Be careful what you wish for! Instead of Namestnikov/Perfetti you may end up with defensively worse players.

Obviously, I would love more production from Perfetti/Namestnikov, but I am sure, Perfetti will learn to hit the goal instead of the absurd number of goal posts.

 

[Section 325]

I've been using the ignore feature more than ever and it really helps!

Amen to this! The only issue is when you don't understand the context of something when somebody looks to be replying to something.

Well, it's a problem until you realize...it's not a problem.

 

[Keystone]

To those suggesting substituting Perfetti and/or Namestnikov from the 2B line, may I suggest looking at that line as a shutdown line similar to the (2A) Lowry line .....and the problem goes away!!

PNE has allowed 6 goals against all season. Six! The Lowry line (NLA) has allowed 7 GA, while the Scheifele line (CSV) has allowed 24 GA. The difference really is, that the Scheifele line is high event (lots of goals for but also against), while the Namestnikov line is low event (less goals for but even fewer against). Both Namestnikov and Perfetti have excellent defensive awareness and positioning, and works well with Ehlers' oneman raids.
I am aware, they have primarily offensive zone starts (similar to the Scheifele line), while the opposite is true for the Lowry line, but with regards to playstyle they share the same ability to shutdown the opposition.

Be careful what you wish for! Instead of Namestnikov/Perfetti you may end up with defensively worse players.

Obviously, I would love more production from Perfetti/Namestnikov, but I am sure, Perfetti will learn to hit the goal instead of the absurd number of goal posts.

Great post. People demand 1st line production while getting 2nd line PP, and 3rd line minutes with a 4th line Center.

 

[johnnyonthspot]

Colorado lost to Montreal yesterday, i have a feeling Colorado isn't going to do much in the playoffs . Checks calendar, oops.

Now , now they lost in the skills competition and have Nathan McKinnon, Makar and Rantanen plus eviscerated the Jets making them look like an AHL team only 42 games ago...
It remains to be seen who Chevy can acquire to bolster this team that is unable to deal with a heavy forecheck and basically relays on the pp and first line to score .I know EDM does that too but they have the best one two punch in the league.

 

[Inanna]

Another PGT trading arguments and insults over advanced stats and graphs, arguments over line-ups, arguments over more advanced stats, arguments over even larger graphs, arguments over arguments....

Okay, we lost but I got to see most of the game and the parts I saw were fun and exciting to watch. I care little for most stats and understand even less of them, but a few things do jump out at me::
- We've got more points than any other team in the league.
- We've won more games than any other team in the league.
- We have the highest goal differential of any other team in the league.

I realize there's plenty of counter-arguments to what I've said, like number of games played, and dire warnings of what the Jets will become but I'll respond to those by logging off, taking a shower, getting dressed and meeting someone for a luncheon date. Enjoy your arguments!

 

[Jet]

Amen to this! The only issue is when you don't understand the context of something when somebody looks to be replying to something.

Well, it's a problem until you realize...it's not a problem.

Haha yeah sometimes I use the unignore all feature (and usually regret it)

 

[johnnyonthspot]

I'm onside with your ideas about an internal shake up.

Amazing clip! Can we hire Chef Ramsey as team psychologist and motivator?

 

[Heldig]

Perfetti I am sure would benefit from playing with better line mates.
I would not include Vilardi in the slow forward category.
The team in general is not generating any offense except for the first line lately.
That’s a trend that needs to change in order for the team to be competitive in the playoffs.
Right now they can’t handle heavy forechecks and don’t seem to play fast anymore.

Doesn't Perfetti play with Ehlers? Do you mean a better centre?

 

[ps241]

Crazy how the same 2 posters who never post anything in PGTs after wins account for half the posts after a loss

I wonder if anyone who is complaining about the Jets having two stretches of games with poor play have bothered to take a look at all the other teams in the top 10 and go through their 10 game splits

The past 5 or 10 games doesn't define a team - good or bad

The crazy part is I can’t even read what they are posting??

I remember asking one poster why is it that I only saw him posting after losses? He respectfully said “there’s nothing to post about after we win”? I thought that was honest of him, and he is within his right to use this site only to complain. I am also within my right to not be part of it. I am not a therapist, nor do I want to play one on HFBoards.

Let’s face it all Canadian fan bases on HFBoards react the same after wins (here comes the cup) and the same after losses (trade everyone, and its my whipping boys fault, the coaching sucks, refs had it in for us, it has to be the line combinations, we’re frauds).

Losing < winning

 

[Buffdog]

I think it's more pro-org people vs people who criticise the org. There are people around here who are among the rudest and least respectful posters but because they tend to be 'pro org', they rarely come under the wrath of the arbiters-of-whether-people-post-correctly. Sports are emotional and I think people often just have a hard time seeing their favourite teams and players receive criticism.

I personally get more exhausted with the constant commentary about what others are allowed to post (whether they post more after losses, after wins, say X about this player but not enough about Y player, are biased in this and that way, etc etc etc) and wish people would just discuss the posts at hand and leave it at that. But, there are all types around here I suppose.

Somebody who says "maybe the reason the org makes decisions that you disagree with is they know something that you dont know like maybe X,Y, or Z" and then give possible examples of those isn't "pro org"

Im assuming you lump me in with that, but im not "pro" or "anti" ANY decision the org makes. I legit don't give a f*** who plays with who and who is on our bottom pairing or who we lose to waivers.

Even if I WERE to disagree with a decision the org makes, I'd still like to understand it from their point of view before shitting on it. It's how I live my life from running my business to raising my kids. Seeing things from someone else's perspective is very important, and you can still agree to disagree

For me, it comes down to the arrogance of posters who think they know better than people making decisions at the NHL level and who have been doing it their entire professional careers. Add into that that there are posters that have never even played a competitive game of hockey in their lives but think they understand the workings of a hockey franchise and/or dressing room. AND a few of them are amongst the most arrogant on here

 

[ps241]

Colorado lost to Montreal yesterday, i have a feeling Colorado isn't going to do much in the playoffs . Checks calendar, oops.

Montreal on the second half of a B2B in Colorado. How is that possible?? It’s the f***ing NHL that’s how.

 

[NA Hockey]

That is such a limp argument. The difference is, Vilardi cashes in on his chances. That's what seperates many players in the NHL. They all have a high level of skill, but there are plenty of guys where you just think "If they could just make good on their chances they would be a top 6 player"

Some guys just bear down and get it done, and that's what makes them stars. Other guys can't and that's what makes them a 4th liner with obvious skill (think Joel Armia for instance)

I agree with you on most of that. I had said earlier though that when Villardi was in LA he struggled with consistency, didn't put up lots of points and had injury issues. That is why they traded him. If he was scoring the way he has here and as consistently, they would never have traded him. With a new team and given exclusively 1st line minutes with our best players and PP1 from the start, he has scored.

 

[Buffdog]

I agree with you on most of that. I had said earlier though that when Villardi was in LA he struggled with consistency, didn't put up lots of points and had injury issues. That is why they traded him. If he was scoring the way he has here and as consistently, they would never have traded him. With a new team and given exclusively 1st line minutes with our best players and PP1 from the start, he has scored.

I think that because Cole has been around winnipeg since he was drafted due to the Covid loophole, it's easy to forget that he's only 23 years old

Under normal circumstances, he'd have been sent back to the OHL for 2 years then spent at least a year or two on the Moose.

Had he spent one year on the Moose, this would be his sophomore NHL season. Had he spent two years, this would be his rookie season

If you look at how his pro game has developed, the last thing to come is always scoring consistancy. We saw it last year and we saw how Bones handled it

Last year he had that huge stretch of games where he was without a point (13?). This year, he's gone 4 games once, 5 games once and 6 games (currently). To me, that's development.

And before anyone cries "usage", he wasn't demoted until later in his long stretches last year

 

[White Out 902]

You probably missed the 4 straight wins sandwiching Christmas. Helle had a couple of shutouts so I assume you went comatose during those ones.

The thing is, I can show you this post from one of those shoutouts where not only was I around, I was complimenting our goaltender and giving him a nickname about him winning the Vezina.

But you won't care because you're not actually trying to be right, you're just trying to win a debate like a policitian, maybe to ease the annoyance of last night's loss. But hey cool story bro. I hope you enjoy continuing to lower the discourse of the forum by attacking posters instead of message. It's a really no wonder this place is crickets last few years.

 

[Gm0ney]

Jets are halfway through their regular season and are on pace for 112 points.

Unfortunately, they're 12-11-2 in their last 25 after going 15-1-0 to start.

Tied for 22nd in points in the league over the last 25 games. .520 and their PDO is 6th highest.

That being said, they deserved to win both of these last two games outright.