Post-Game Talk: Wings 4 - Jets 2

[NA Hockey]

it's almost like you keep ignoring that the top line got off to a shitty start and have greatly improved in the gf% after the 1st 9 games of the season, it's not even like it was a small sample that they improved on, that was a 27 game stretch

anyways I'm done having to explain that to you, keep acting like 4 goals in 29 games is good production and doing everything possible to act like perfetti is giving us anything close to the 1st line, I'll enjoy the 1 last laughing emoji from you...

Obviously Perfetti is not giving anything close to the first line. He doesn’t play with that quality of player or get that kind of ice time. But his GF% is second on the team amongst regulars and significantly higher than the guys on the first line. He also 33% more goals for than Ehlers. No one should act like he is producing great but you constantly act like he is doing nothing and not contributing to the success of the team to date which is patently absurd.

Let’s hope the posts hit turn into goals in the second half.

 

[Buffdog]

Sorry to get meta but why do people come on here to primarily comment on what other people are or are not commenting on. I feel like when my toddlers were fighting and I had to be like play with your toy and stop biting your sister.

The irony lol

 

[NA Hockey]

So only the top line gets to cut out games they don't like. Wonder what Perfetti's season looks like if you cut out 9 games of his "struggles" Both this year and last year. .

No problem! You explained a lot.

Goes against the narrative lol

 

[imec]

Wait. You mean, it’s the end of the world and none of the millions of conspiracy theorists out there predicted it??? Blimey.

 

[gojetsgo]

Obviously Perfetti is not giving anything close to the first line. He doesn’t play with that quality of player or get that kind of ice time. But his GF% is second on the team amongst regulars and significantly higher than the guys on the first line. He also 33% more goals for than Ehlers. No one should act like he is producing great but you constantly act like he is doing nothing and not contributing to the success of the team to date which is patently absurd.

Let’s hope the posts hit turn into goals in the second half.

his gf% is higher because the 1st line had a shitty start to the season, he has 6 points in his past 17 games (3 in 1 game), 4 goals in his last 29, that is not good enough offensively for a top 6 player,

 

[gojetsgo]

Goes against the narrative lol

well lets break this down a little

top line had a rough start to the season but since the 9 games they greatly improved

perfetti had a hot start putting up 11 points in 12 games to start the season but since then he has 12 in 29

it's almost as if one is trending up and one is trending down

 

[NA Hockey]

his gf% is higher because the 1st line had a shitty start to the season, he has 6 points in his past 17 games (3 in 1 game), 4 goals in his last 29, that is not good enough offensively for a top 6 player,

Again I agree he has to start getting more points but he has had some bad luck you must agree and the rest of his game is above average.

Also, which 9 games can we take out of his stats line like you want to do with 1st line?Because scoring stats will look better if I can take 9 games out.

 

[gojetsgo]

Again I agree he has to start getting more points but he has had some bad luck you must agree and the rest of his game is above average.

Also, which 9 games can we take out of his stats line like you want to do with 1st line?Because scoring stats will look better if I can take 9 games out.

not if you take out the first 9 games of perfetti's season lol... like I posted above, the top line has been trending up while perfetti is trending down..

 

[NA Hockey]

well lets break this down a little

top line had a rough start to the season but since the 9 games they greatly improved

perfetti had a hot start putting up 11 points in 12 games to start the season but since then he has 12 in 29

it's almost as if one is trending up and one is trending down

Ah we are talking about trends not the whole season. Gotcha. While 12 in 29 is not enough it’s not terrible or take you out of the lineup bad. It’s more like keep playing good hockey and doing the little things right and the puck luck will turn around because he is obviously capable of it with 11 in his first 12 games.

not if you take out the first 9 games of perfetti's season lol... like I posted above, the top line has been trending up while perfetti is trending down..

Lol

If Villardi had hit 13 posts to this point you would be saying. How great he is playing and how eventually they will go in.

Villardi is similar to Cole in his career arc. He is 3 years older. At the same point he had had injuries and was inconsistent but showed signs of being real good. The kings then traded him and he broke out with new line mates and more opportunity.

 

[voyageur]

I missed this one.

Highlights I saw weren't favourable to Stan on the PK, or Heinola in any way.

Losing on special teams isn't common for this team.

The PGT is not a atypical for the result.

What did I miss? Was their any line juggling from Arniel?

Is a 3 game losing streak a reason to call up Chibrikov?

Is Helle feeling any additional pressure going for a milestone?

Are the Jets recalibrating into the team they were last year?

It was a surprise to me listening to CJOB's pregame that the Jets were 2 points below their points total from last year, after 40 games. Yet they are in a better position in the standings.

Is that going to change, with the Central starting to bunch up? Seeing Colorado and Dallas now within 7 points with games in hand, it's still entirely possible the terrific start still isn't enough to finish atop the division at season's end. I mean 7 points is a narrow margin with Dallas and Colorado. Could the Jets actually finish a wild card in the back half of the season? Or do they just need Samberg back to right the ship?

 

[NA Hockey]

I missed this one.

Highlights I saw weren't favourable to Stan on the PK, or Heinola in any way.

Losing on special teams isn't common for this team.

The PGT is not a atypical for the result.

What did I miss? Was their any line juggling from Arniel?

Is a 3 game losing streak a reason to call up Chibrikov?

Is Helle feeling any additional pressure going for a milestone?

Are the Jets recalibrating into the team they were last year?

It was a surprise to me listening to CJOB's pregame that the Jets were 2 points below their points total from last year, after 40 games. Yet they are in a better position in the standings.

Is that going to change, with the Central starting to bunch up? Seeing Colorado and Dallas now within 7 points with games in hand, it's still entirely possible the terrific start still isn't enough to finish atop the division at season's end. I mean 7 points is a narrow margin with Dallas and Colorado. Could the Jets actually finish a wild card in the back half of the season? Or do they just need Samberg back to right the ship?

Chib has 0 points in last 5 games and 2 in his last 11. That deserves a call up?

 

[sipowicz]

Team didn’t look prepared or ready to start the game!


Zero effort in the first, team thinks they can just put on the jerseys and the opponent will roll over?

Tiny Heiny and slow Perfetan useless against fast, stronger, big, young, old, skilled, dressed opponents never got the hype on these two. Don’t know why Chevy keeps drafting Smurf’s

So much for home stand and rolling points…….

Nothing on the Moose to recall at F, cupboards bare…

Gonna be 0-4 if they do make the PO’s

 

[johnnyonthspot]

I would just like to pipe in with the fact that with 27 wins the jets have the most wins in the league I'll let myself out.

The knights have 27 wins
The Leafs 25
Then the wild, avs and stars have 24 each , which is most concerning since they are all chasing the Jets who have now lost too Anh x2 and Det plus are now 12-11-2 since the hot start. Their play is that of a .500 team. Denial is the first phase of grief. I see you are there and do not blame you. Acceptance is the final phase , which is where I am trying to get but games like this put me squarely in the anger phase. Let's hope they show up for NsV and are not tired as the coach said they were tonight !!

 

[johnnyonthspot]

Team didn’t look prepared or ready to start the game!


Zero effort in the first, team thinks they can just put on the jerseys and the opponent will roll over?

Tiny Heiny and slow Perfetan useless against fast, stronger, big, young, old, skilled, dressed opponents Denver got the hype on these two. Don’t know why Chevy keeps drafting Smurf’s

So much for home stand and rolling points….

Don’t know what they’re waiting for in recalling Lambert or little Chibby?

This collapse could be epic. I am hoping I am wrong but this homestand could get ugly with Kings and Avs on a b2b. I am concerned.

 

[LowLefty]

Top line is fine against weaker teams.
Their brutal defensive play exposes them against good teams.
They got burned in playoffs last year and a good chance it will happen again.

Tunnel vision saying they are fine because of the points they are putting up.
With the ice time they get, a two way winger is need on that line.
Monahan had 1 point in last years playoffs. Getting a 2c may not be the answer.
Jets need to look at the big picture and set a playoff lineup.

They can be fine against better teams - we've seen that this year.
But winning consistently and bringing your best every game, is the challenge

As discussed earlier this season (and mentioned by Arniel and the players) is that you learn (slowly) about what it takes to win consistently - and what it takes to win when you're up against top competition. I hope they are referring to the PO's
I'm not concerned about the ups and downs through the reg season anymore - I'm more interested in seeing if they "learned" what it takes to win when the chips are down.

We won't know that until PO's - but I feel / think / hope they are learning from year to year - this is the first year I have heard players like KC actually say that there is a learning curve in how you play to win - he's made adjustments to his game and so have others although maybe to a lesser degree.

I still get pissed when they lose to non-PO teams - and I hate it when they take their foot off the gas - but I'm more concerned about what they bring in April and I'm not sure reg season play will tell us that.

 

[Cnile]

The Jets are not as good as many believe.
Detroit played very well. I see them rebounding second half to contend for a playoff spot.

We only have 3 top 6 forwards. KFC, Ehlers, Scheifele.
Way too many slow forwards that simply have trouble generating against skilled teams:
Perfetti, Lowry, Nino, Apples, Iafallo, Vilardi.

Barron and Kupari need more minutes. Good speed and compete.
Poor Ehlers has noone to play with. He and KFC, our two most skilled forwards, would be dynamite together.

Perfetti I am sure would benefit from playing with better line mates.
I would not include Vilardi in the slow forward category.
The team in general is not generating any offense except for the first line lately.
That’s a trend that needs to change in order for the team to be competitive in the playoffs.
Right now they can’t handle heavy forechecks and don’t seem to play fast anymore.

 

[Jets 31]

Bad first period, penalties played a big part in that but still i don't like us playing like that at home. Having said that we hit 4 posts if 2 of those go in we win the game so I'm not ready to trade everyone for draft picks and have a tough time winning 20 games in a season just yet.

 

[Jets 31]

On a side note when Iafallo got that penalty in the first for giving Namestnikov his stick Garret said the penalty was because you can't play with 2 sticks. How in the actual f*** would trying to play hockey with 2 sticks ever be good or a advantage in any way? Kinda tough to shoot with 2 sticks.

 

[Jets 31]

Reading the entire PGT ........

 

[rkp]

goals count just as much as a puck hitting someone s butt coming out of walmart on empress.....it doesnt mean a whole heck of a lot except ifs ands and buts were pennies......

 

[Jets 31]

Colorado lost to Montreal yesterday, i have a feeling Colorado isn't going to do much in the playoffs . Checks calendar, oops.

 

[AtomicJets]

So only the top line gets to cut out games they don't like. Wonder what Perfetti's season looks like if you cut out 9 games of his "struggles" Both this year and last year. .

No problem! You explained a lot.



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"Buffdog2025"

Hughes sure but there is no way Bouchard is better than Morrissey. That's just ignorant.

 

[Cotton Eye Joe]

well lets break this down a little

top line had a rough start to the season but since the 9 games they greatly improved

perfetti had a hot start putting up 11 points in 12 games to start the season but since then he has 12 in 29

it's almost as if one is trending up and one is trending down

It's almost as if when the Jets were hottest the first month of the season, it wasn't because of the 1st line.

 

[Jet]

2 penalties and jmo going down killed the flow of the 1st (still had the better chances despite getting out shot), pk/pp needed to be better tonight, really need perfetti to start doing something

edit: ofc mardybum is back now adding what he does best....

Who is mardybum?

Annnnyways... both games the teams were hot, and their goalies played really well, while ours - wasn't up to his normal standard.

Still, it highlights that if our first line isn't producing, we cannot count on our second line to pick them up. Ehlers can't do it alone.

I keep seeing people saying "Perfetti is playing well, hes creating, if so and so would have finished he would have x points" While this argument has some merit, there comes a time where Perfetti just has to score. These huge slumps that are starting to become his MO are worrisome. Being a good offensive producer isn't simply raw scoring, it's situational scoring, like scoring when the team really needs it (late in a game when we need a goal, games when the 1st line isn't going, etc.).

I'm absolutely not putting this all on Perfetti, as Ehlers also doesn't seem to be a guy who can up his level when the team needs him and put the puck in the net with any consistency. Namestnikov is trying really hard but A> hes definitely banged up, and B> he's just a step below what we need on the second line. All his missed chances lately kind of confirm that.

I'd really like to see a bit of an internal shake up to try to get the boys going. Bring up Chibrikov and try something like:

27 55 81: We've seen in small sample sizes that this line performs well. Ehlers is good at breaking up plays and clearing the puck which could result in less time hemmed in

13 90 91: I think Perfetti could really benefit from some beef on that line, someone to work the boards and with great hands in tight. Chibrikov can help by being the speedy forechecker on that line, and hes not lacking grit or intensity on the wall. All of them are good passers

9 17 62: Iafallo is fine on this line, not quite as offensively consistent as Appleton (did I actually say that?) but not a big step down at all

15 7 19: All of these guys are good defensively. Kupari gets in on the forecheck and I see this line being able to stay even when they are on the ice, which is what you need from a fourth line.

I'm down to try this, lets see what happens? Give it a good amount of time, and if it doesn't work we can look externally near the TDL

Wings are hot. Winnipeg is cold.

This is lowkey amazing.

 

[Ponds]

Jets take an L. The PGT: