wingedwheelpod : potential redwing trade targets

[USAHockey97]

I'll take "May just be a two way second line center" over a top line winger, especially when it's only one part of a package.

"We can try to draft another 2C over the next few years." That's how we got into the mess we did of not having shit behind Larkin.

I should correct that. We could draft a 3C later on. If Larkin and Kasper stay as 1C and 2C, then Danielson would be our 3C. I’d take a top line winger over a 3C.

 

[Winger98]

I should correct that. We could draft a 3C later on. If Larkin and Kasper stay as 1C and 2C, then Danielson would be our 3C. I’d take a top line winger over a 3C.

If it was easy to draft NHL caliber centers we'd be doing it a lot more often. Who is our second best center prospect now? Lombardi? And no one expects him to stick at center in the NHL. After that it might be Becher.

I'm also just not sold that a goal scoring wing is a pressing need. I have time for Marner because he's a top of the mountain level get, but it seems we should focus on the blueline first for big acquisitions.

 

[lilidk]

If it was easy to draft NHL caliber centers we'd be doing it a lot more often. Whose our second best center prospect now? Lombardi? And no one expects him to stick at center in the NHL. After that it might be Becher.

I'm also just not sold that a goal scoring wing is a pressing need. I have time for Marner because he's a top of the mountain level get, but it seems we should focus on the blueline first for big acquisitions.

First line wing and top 4 defansman should be addressed this summer. Problem is we don't have return pieces.

 

[better Red than Dead]

First line wing and top 4 defansman should be addressed this summer. Problem is we don't have return pieces.

We have one of the top prospect pools in the league, so we have assets to trade.

 

[lilidk]

We have one of the top prospect pools in the league, so we have assets to trade there is a rumor

Until they actually play in NHL their values not so high.
Anyway who should we trade to get JJP?
Yzerman rushed to get into playoffs , did not let prospects play in the higher level. Now he has only 2 choices start new rebuild, by trading Larkin and Cat or crazy overpay in Free market paying Gavrikov 7+ and Marner around 14

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

I should correct that. We could draft a 3C later on. If Larkin and Kasper stay as 1C and 2C, then Danielson would be our 3C. I’d take a top line winger over a 3C.

Why do you keep posting about Danielson after admitting that you haven't actually watched him? I still don't understand why you and your ilk think Kasper is a long-term 2C after one full season of NHL hockey, half of which was spent on the wing. Perhaps I am just old school and reluctant to drawn hard conclusions from small sample sizes.

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

Until they actually play in NHL their values not so high.
Anyway who should we trade to get JJP?
Yzerman rushed to get into playoffs , did not let prospects play in the higher level. Now he has only 2 choices start new rebuild, by trading Larkin and Cat or crazy overpay in Free market paying Gavrikov 7+ and Marner around 14

God there’s no way I’m giving gavrikov 50 million lol and marner ar 14 is too high for me

I don’t know what it would take to get peterka but I definetly think the trade route is the way to go and if we landed peterka and signed marner id trade debrincat in a second. Always stated I didn’t think he’d get a longterm deal here so why let him walk, his value after last season’s goals will probably not be higher

Could use the assets to get peterka or just use him to get a partner for seider

Debrincat in a deal for k’ Miller and kreider,sign marner ,get Marchment let kane walk since debrincat gone.kotkaniemi if bought out

Kreider larkin marner
Peterka Kasper raymond
Marchment danielson Soderblom
Mazur kotkaniemi copp


Miller seider top pair

Think we get in the playoffs easily

 

[Winger98]

First line wing and top 4 defansman should be addressed this summer. Problem is we don't have return pieces.

We have prospects who are at the point where making a jump to the NHL is in the cards. Plug Danielson or Lombardi into that wing spot, and look to sign a D upgrade or two. Hell, I'd be fine giving Mazur a look at being LW next to Larkin and Raymond.

 

[better Red than Dead]

We have prospects who are at the point where making a jump to the NHL is in the cards. Plug Danielson or Lombardi into that wing spot, and look to sign a D upgrade or two. Hell, I'd be fine giving Mazur a look at being LW next to Larkin and Raymond.

To be honest, unless Yzerman trades, that’s the route I think they end up going with. Maybe some 2nd tier UFAs, but trades are the way he’s going to change this team. I just cannot see him landing a big fish

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

I should correct that. We could draft a 3C later on. If Larkin and Kasper stay as 1C and 2C, then Danielson would be our 3C. I’d take a top line winger over a 3C.

You keep using "Ifs".

Trade Danielson and we'll be up shit's creek if Larkin continues to have injury problems and we're left with Kasper as our 1C and nothing behind him.

 

[Winger98]

To be honest, unless Yzerman trades, that’s the route I think they end up going with. Maybe some 2nd tier UFAs, but trades are the way he’s going to change this team. I just cannot see him landing a big fish

I don't have a problem going with kids this year over taking on problem contracts of 30+ year olds from other teams.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

And look how well that trade turned out for buffalo you think they’d do that again? Dude reinhart was a 50 pt ish guy at the time he had one 65 pt season. Peterka already has almost a 70 pt season and 27 and 28 goals I think

Be honest man if we had peterka and the trade was give us cossa in a deal for peterka you wouldn’t do it(don’t say you wouldn’t cause we have Augustine in this scenario we don’t have trey) ... why would they do another stupid trade involving a goalie yet again

You have to give to get but your willing to give the one you don’t want to make things uncomfortable and give to get your have to be throwing nygard’s name out there or danielson not another goalie who’s always a question mark. It’s not a hard trade to make if it’s Yzerman

Anyways if we get peterka it won’t be for cossa. And I highly doubt they’d trade him to a divisional opponent yet again. And if they have any brain cells they’d keep him

Of course I don’t make that trade. I’m not a dumbf*** like Kevyn Adams.

Also, Cossa is and always was, a better prospect than Levi. And that’s from someone who used to bash Cossa on the regular. Levi is a small goalie in a league of giants.

A (generously) 6’0” goalie is thought of the same way a 5’8” center is. It’s not impossible for them to make , but it’s a lot more difficult.

The one concern that people aren’t bringing up is that PETERKA REPORTEDLY DOES NOT WANT TO BE IN BUFFALO. This can also impact a GM’s decision.

 

[JediOrderPizza]

Could see that, maybe they just get a Lindgren. I've been talking Marner, Ehlers and some other guys up. But I'd probably put our chances at 5% to land those. Seen a ton of Ekblad and that just scares me.

I don't think it'll be wrong to be frustrated if we strike out but feels like some of us are putting our chances of landing a big fish way too high.

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

Of course I don’t make that trade. I’m not a dumbf*** like Kevyn Adams.

Also, Cossa is and always was, a better prospect than Levi. And that’s from someone who used to bash Cossa on the regular. Levi is a small goalie in a league of giants.

A (generously) 6’0” goalie is thought of the same way a 5’8” center is. It’s not impossible for them to make , but it’s a lot more difficult.

The one concern that people aren’t bringing up is that PETERKA REPORTEDLY DOES NOT WANT TO BE IN BUFFALO. This can also impact a GM’s decision.

Well we’re just hoping Kevyn Adams keeps being a dumb f*** doubt he makes another deal for a goalie again like that

Cool I don’t want to live where I’m living but that’s life what choice does he have? He signs an offer sheet and sabres match he’s screwed. Go off to Europe or keep signing one year deals and suffer until free agency. That’s what I’d do if I’m Kevyn Adams .... I’m not dealing him for a goalie cause you just never know with them and I’m not dealing him just for the sake of dealing him

I want peterka , I hope he’s a dumb f*** whether it’s for cossa or the 13th pick + Rasmussen Berggren wallinder in a deal or whatever. Can’t see it happening

Hope I’m wrong

 

[Winger98]

Of course I don’t make that trade. I’m not a dumbf*** like Kevyn Adams.

Also, Cossa is and always was, a better prospect than Levi. And that’s from someone who used to bash Cossa on the regular. Levi is a small goalie in a league of giants.

A (generously) 6’0” goalie is thought of the same way a 5’8” center is. It’s not impossible for them to make , but it’s a lot more difficult.

The one concern that people aren’t bringing up is that PETERKA REPORTEDLY DOES NOT WANT TO BE IN BUFFALO. This can also impact a GM’s decision.

Does he not want to be in Buffalo or does he just not want to sign a long term deal right now? I can understand any young player wanting to see progress in Buffalo before signing long term. And their gm shouldn't be gobsmacked by that.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Well we’re just hoping Kevyn Adams keeps being a dumb f*** doubt he makes another deal for a goalie again like that

Cool I don’t want to live where I’m living but that’s life what choice does he have? He signs an offer sheet and sabres match he’s screwed. Go off to Europe or keep signing one year deals and suffer until free agency. That’s what I’d do if I’m Kevyn Adams .... I’m not dealing him for a goalie cause you just never know with them and I’m not dealing him just for the sake of dealing him

I want peterka , I hope he’s a dumb f*** whether it’s for cossa or the 13th pick + Rasmussen Berggren wallinder in a deal or whatever. Can’t see it happening

Hope I’m wrong

Peterka can demand a trade.

Like I said way earlier, I’m expecting Buffalo to make a move with Ottawa for Drake Batherson, since Batherson is under contract and has similar production.

It'll be the Norris/Cozens trade all over again.
Ottawa gets younger and better, Buffalo gets older and kicks the can down the road.

(And yes, I’m aware Norris has scored more than Cozens. Cozens looked way better in Ottawa than he did in Buffalo and he’s actually healthy. Norris is one shoulder injury from retirement.)

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

Peterka can demand a trade.

Like I said way earlier, I’m expecting Buffalo to make a move with Ottawa for Drake Batherson, since Batherson is under contract and has similar production.

It'll be the Norris/Cozens trade all over again.
Ottawa gets younger and better, Buffalo gets older and kicks the can down the road.

(And yes, I’m aware Norris has scored more than Cozens. Cozens looked way better in Ottawa than he did in Buffalo and he’s actually healthy. Norris is one shoulder injury from retirement.)

He can demand a trade ... can demand a lot of things, doesn’t mean it’ll happen

Peterka for batherson would be an awful deal. Don’t see it happening, batherson closer to 30, they won’t win next few yrs

 

[lilidk]

We have prospects who are at the point where making a jump to the NHL is in the cards. Plug Danielson or Lombardi into that wing spot, and look to sign a D upgrade or two. Hell, I'd be fine giving Mazur a look at being LW next to Larkin and Raymond.

We will be extremely happy if Mazur could play with Larkin. So far only Kasper could play there, experiments with Ras, Tarasenko, Veleno, Elmer didn't work. MBN could be one , but his skating is not where it should be to play first line .

 

[USAHockey97]

If it was easy to draft NHL caliber centers we'd be doing it a lot more often. Who is our second best center prospect now? Lombardi? And no one expects him to stick at center in the NHL. After that it might be Becher.

I'm also just not sold that a goal scoring wing is a pressing need. I have time for Marner because he's a top of the mountain level get, but it seems we should focus on the blueline first for big acquisitions.

My first instinct would say we need better scouts then. If we can’t draft a 3C or sign one, then we have bigger problems. And I think we need a top winger and top four defenseman.

First line wing and top 4 defansman should be addressed this summer. Problem is we don't have return pieces.

Agreed. We probably are not trading any of our first round picks and the vast majority of later rounders project as depth pieces.

Until they actually play in NHL their values not so high.
Anyway who should we trade to get JJP?
Yzerman rushed to get into playoffs , did not let prospects play in the higher level. Now he has only 2 choices start new rebuild, by trading Larkin and Cat or crazy overpay in Free market paying Gavrikov 7+ and Marner around 14

I do think Yzerman came out of the rebuild at least one year, if not two, too soon. We needed more high end talent.

Why do you keep posting about Danielson after admitting that you haven't actually watched him? I still don't understand why you and your ilk think Kasper is a long-term 2C after one full season of NHL hockey, half of which was spent on the wing. Perhaps I am just old school and reluctant to drawn hard conclusions from small sample sizes.

Danielson doesn’t project as a 1C who can replace Larkin. He tops out as a 2C from what I’ve read, but will be a 3C in Detroit for a while if Kasper stays as a 2C.

And you bring up a fair point. Kasper may not stick at 2C. That said, I believe centers come into the league and are sheltered a bit on the wing so they can learn and grow (like Larkin for example) until taking on the center role. And from what people here have said, he looked solid at 2C.

You keep using "Ifs".

Trade Danielson and we'll be up shit's creek if Larkin continues to have injury problems and we're left with Kasper as our 1C and nothing behind him.

That’s fair. Having depth at center is critical. I just think that if we are riding Larkin as 1C, it might be better to have another top line winger vs just a 3C. Either way can work.

 

[lilidk]

I know it's a wrong place to put it, but seems like Buffalo and Vancouver should swap some unhappy players. Both teams don't need prospects , they need players.
Just couple years ago we were competing with Buffalo and Ottawa. Ottawa was in worse situation because all kids already in NHL and now Yzerman should be more aggressive , by bringing top players , same time our prospects. Next season Ed and Kasper are not making much, Lombardi , Mazur MBN , ASP and Danielson will be also cheap.
Pay extra for better players and bring kids

 

[SantosHalper]

Hell, I'd be fine giving Mazur a look at being LW next to Larkin and Raymond.

The role he was born to play in, i've been saying for long time Mazur is perfect for that role. Board battle machine and skilled enough score many goals. Effective player in every level he has played. I'd say he's been underrated by Wings fans, more often i've seen him in 4th line in line projections but i've seen Top-6 potential ever since i saw at the U20 Worlds.

but his skating is not where it should be to play first line .

Whats you talking about? Mazur is fine skater, thats never been his issue. Speedy and great balance.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

If it was easy to draft NHL caliber centers we'd be doing it a lot more often. Who is our second best center prospect now? Lombardi? And no one expects him to stick at center in the NHL. After that it might be Becher.

I'm also just not sold that a goal scoring wing is a pressing need. I have time for Marner because he's a top of the mountain level get, but it seems we should focus on the blueline first for big acquisitions.

Goal scoring winger is most definitely a need.

This team needs another top 6 forward. Danielson can play 3C next year and if he develops well as I expect, then he can be top 6 in 2 years. Either Larkin or Kasper move to wing when Kane retires.

What I hope will be the case going into 27-28. Maybe as early as 26-27.
Larkin - Danielson - Raymond
DBC - Kasper - Kane replacement.

 

[13to40]

Peterka can demand a trade.

Like I said way earlier, I’m expecting Buffalo to make a move with Ottawa for Drake Batherson, since Batherson is under contract and has similar production.

It'll be the Norris/Cozens trade all over again.
Ottawa gets younger and better, Buffalo gets older and kicks the can down the road.

(And yes, I’m aware Norris has scored more than Cozens. Cozens looked way better in Ottawa than he did in Buffalo and he’s actually healthy. Norris is one shoulder injury from retirement.)

I would take Cozens over Norris any day.

Norris is a piece to stained glass waiting to break… very delicate and injury prone.

This team could have badly used a Cozens type of player down the stretch too. Hard nosed C who isn’t afraid to dish out some hits. Our centre depth lacks that big time. His contract is definitely a bit intimidating, but I still think Ottawa made out like bandits in that trade.

 

[lilidk]

The role he was born to play in, i've been saying for long time Mazur is perfect for that role. Board battle machine and skilled enough score many goals. Effective player in every level he has played. I'd say he's been underrated by Wings fans, more often i've seen him in 4th line in line projections but i've seen Top-6 potential ever since i saw at the U20 Worlds.

Whats you talking about? Mazur is fine skater, thats never been his issue. Speedy and great balance.

Comment was about MBN , not Mazur

 

[Winger98]

Goal scoring winger is most definitely a need.

This team needs another top 6 forward. Danielson can play 3C next year and if he develops well as I expect, then he can be top 6 in 2 years. Either Larkin or Kasper move to wing when Kane retires.

What I hope will be the case going into 27-28. Maybe as early as 26-27.
Larkin - Danielson - Raymond
DBC - Kasper - Kane replacement.

They need someone who can skate in the top6 and not be an anchor. I don't think that is necessarily a "goal scorer" like Peterka, though. Assuming Kane is back.

Agree about going forward. Really hoping we see someone like Buch or Lombardi or whoever step up and be that kane replacement. Though I also wouldn't mind if we have a grinderish guy who can skate that spot, put in 15 to 20, and create some space while Buch/Lombardi make noise on a third line. Ideally.

The role he was born to play in, i've been saying for long time Mazur is perfect for that role. Board battle machine and skilled enough score many goals. Effective player in every level he has played. I'd say he's been underrated by Wings fans, more often i've seen him in 4th line in line projections but i've seen Top-6 potential ever since i saw at the U20 Worlds.

Whats you talking about? Mazur is fine skater, thats never been his issue. Speedy and great balance.

yeah, I think the "stick'em on the fourth line" rosters I've seen have sold him short. He might not be a 30 goal guy, but I think he has a game that could be a nice complement to more skilled players.

I would take Cozens over Norris any day.

Norris is a piece to stained glass waiting to break… very delicate and injury prone.

This team could have badly used a Cozens type of player down the stretch too. Hard nosed C who isn’t afraid to dish out some hits. Our centre depth lacks that big time. His contract is definitely a bit intimidating, but I still think Ottawa made out like bandits in that trade.

Norris has been injury prone, but he's also way more of a natural center than Cozens. After the deal, I still wasn't impressed by Cozens and I still don't think he's a long term answer there.