wingedwheelpod : potential redwing trade targets

[wingsfannnn9191]

Sabres need a goalie.

Cossa is one of the best goalie prospects out there. He was a 15th overall pick. I personally believe Augustine will outperform him in the AHL and NHL when he’s signed, but I’m not itching to move him unless it really improves the team.

JJ Peterka is listed as RW on sites but plays as much LW or more. He was 51st in NHL scoring and 49th amongst forwards. When you account for wingers miscategorized as centers he’d be about the 18th-22nd highest scoring winger as a guesstimate.

Either the 13th overall pick + Ras/Berggren or Cossa + Ras/Berggren would be good value for the Sabres. I don’t think they do it because the Sabres don’t want to rebuild their rebuild. Very wrongly, they believe the team is 1 or 2 players away from the postseason instead of 4-5 while also swapping out core pieces for guys that can actually play a system.

Realistically, I think Adams does something like Batherson for Peterka. Peterka reunites with Stutzle and gets 35+ goals per season. Batherson goes to the Sabres and keeps scoring about the same but remains a defensive liability.

He’s so much one of best goalie prospects we’re willing to ship him out goalies are always a big question mark . He can easily end up being a bust or career back up. I think it be safe to say they wouldn’t do peterka for cossa. I wouldn’t if it were us dealing peterka

We all like Augustine , we like cossa and I hope to god I’m wrong but they can both bust and Rudy guimond can be the guy or we can still be signing the next Talbots in a few yrs again I hope I’m wrong and if I had to get money I’d say we have a future goalie in our pool but until they show up you just never know

Well if I’m buffalo and the choice is Rasmussen Berggren cossa the choice isn’t exactly a choice. It’ll always be cossa. Whether they’re wrong or not I wouldn’t do the trade either ,doesn’t help they’re now or future. I’d rather take a shot on a Lafraniere for example and bet he can bounce back to 28+ goals

Batherson for peterka would be a disaster... like I said if I’m buffalo I just play hardball he can only be a Ufa in what another 5 yrs? Stfu and keep signing one year deals until we decide we’re done with you. They need to stop letting players dictate they’re departure or else Thompson will be next real soon to demand out

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

He’s so much one of best goalie prospects we’re willing to ship him out goalies are always a big question mark . He can easily end up being a bust or career back up. I think it be safe to say they wouldn’t do peterka for cossa. I wouldn’t if it were us dealing peterka

We all like Augustine , we like cossa and I hope to god I’m wrong but they can both bust and Rudy guimond can be the guy or we can still be signing the next Talbots in a few yrs again I hope I’m wrong and if I had to get money I’d say we have a future goalie in our pool but until they show up you just never know

Well if I’m buffalo and the choice is Rasmussen Berggren cossa the choice isn’t exactly a choice. It’ll always be cossa. Whether they’re wrong or not I wouldn’t do the trade either ,doesn’t help they’re now or future. I’d rather take a shot on a Lafraniere for example and bet he can bounce back to 28+ goals

Batherson for peterka would be a disaster... like I said if I’m buffalo I just play hardball he can only be a Ufa in what another 5 yrs? Stfu and keep signing one year deals until we decide we’re done with you. They need to stop letting players dictate they’re departure or else Thompson will be next real soon to demand out

Buffalo traded out Sam Reinhardt for Devon Levi and a late 1st. Peterka doesn’t have the pedigree Reinhart did. (#2 overall pick)

Cossa is at least as good a prospect as Levi is. And he’s got a better frame as an NHL goalie. (6’6” Cossa vs 6’0” on a good day Levi)

Also being willing to trade Cossa doesn’t make him bad. You have to give to get, right? That’s the whole premise of the arguments in this thread. We have another goalie prospect that’s arguably as good or better than Cossa. We do not have prospects in the pipeline equal to or better than ASP, MBN, or Danielson.

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

Jj Peterka and Bowen Byram for Ras,Berggren,Compher, Wallinder & #13?

 

[RedHawkDown]

Jj Peterka and Bowen Byram for Ras,Berggren,Compher, Wallinder & #13?

...I can't tell if you're serious.

Do you really believe Buffalo would accept a pile of garbage and #13 for their 2 best trade chips?

I can get not wanting to deal Danielson, but cmon, people.

 

[ShanahanMan]

Hey dawg, this you?

 

[ShanahanMan]

Here's the Simon Edvinsson edition:

These i actually still believe.

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

...I can't tell if you're serious.

Do you really believe Buffalo would accept a pile of garbage and #13 for their 2 best trade chips?

I can get not wanting to deal Danielson, but cmon, people.

A pile of garbage? Number one what? #13 pick is garbage? Ras is a solid 3/4th liner that's only 25. Berggren can probably score 20-25 goals if given PP time and top 6 mins. Wallinder is a solid prospect. Compher has championship experience and can get you 20 goals as well... When did Peterka and Byram turn into Pavel Bure and Scott Niedermayer?

 

[USAHockey97]

I really wanted JJP when he was drafted, but I just don't think he is a game changing winger. By that I mean someone like a prime Kane, Ovie, Kucherov. Someone who can control and drive a line on a championship team. Usually there are like 5 of these at best in the NHL at a time.

The Wings upcoming center depth is horrid. We have 1 legit C prospect in Danielson. We have Larkin who will be 29 entering this season, who I could easily see having to convert to wing by say age 32 as his skating falls off some. He already plays an wingers offensive game, but his speed and faceoff ability put him in the center role. The minute he can no longer use his speed as a puck transporter he won't be a super effective center. Assuming Kasper can at least be a 2C, we are probably going to need another top 6 center sooner rather than later.

Teams without center depth don't win, and our prospect depth at skilled winger projects a lot better with Buch, Ammo, Becher, Kiiskanen, Plante (maybe a C), Finnie, Soderblom.

Its less about Danielson the prospect and more about the hole trading him creates in our depth. This is where I wish Yzerman had taken a few more skilled center shots in the latter rounds early in his tenure.

I’d be curious to see Yzerman’s success rate in drafting over the last six years. I know we’ve had a lot of picks. We also had a barren prospect cupboard when he took over. Just curious where he stands compared to other GMs.

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

Buffalo traded out Sam Reinhardt for Devon Levi and a late 1st. Peterka doesn’t have the pedigree Reinhart did. (#2 overall pick)

Cossa is at least as good a prospect as Levi is. And he’s got a better frame as an NHL goalie. (6’6” Cossa vs 6’0” on a good day Levi)

Also being willing to trade Cossa doesn’t make him bad. You have to give to get, right? That’s the whole premise of the arguments in this thread. We have another goalie prospect that’s arguably as good or better than Cossa. We do not have prospects in the pipeline equal to or better than ASP, MBN, or Danielson.

And look how well that trade turned out for buffalo you think they’d do that again? Dude reinhart was a 50 pt ish guy at the time he had one 65 pt season. Peterka already has almost a 70 pt season and 27 and 28 goals I think

Be honest man if we had peterka and the trade was give us cossa in a deal for peterka you wouldn’t do it(don’t say you wouldn’t cause we have Augustine in this scenario we don’t have trey) ... why would they do another stupid trade involving a goalie yet again

You have to give to get but your willing to give the one you don’t want to make things uncomfortable and give to get your have to be throwing nygard’s name out there or danielson not another goalie who’s always a question mark. It’s not a hard trade to make if it’s Yzerman

Anyways if we get peterka it won’t be for cossa. And I highly doubt they’d trade him to a divisional opponent yet again. And if they have any brain cells they’d keep him

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

A pile of garbage? Number one what? #13 pick is garbage? Ras is a solid 3/4th liner that's only 25. Berggren can probably score 20-25 goals if given PP time and top 6 mins. Wallinder is a solid prospect. Compher has championship experience and can get you 20 goals as well... When did Peterka and Byram turn into Pavel Bure and Scott Niedermayer?

13th pick in a meh draft , trade that in a heartbeat. Rasmussen is crap it’s unfortunate he’s 25 only cause unless we get rid of his ass he won’t be leaving anytime soon

He’s the weakest 6’6 man who’s eyes only light up with fury when he sees jack Hughes

I do think there’s more in Berggren and he can be a 45-50 pt guy but that’ll only happen on a horrible team where he can get opportunity’s. Send him to Pittsburgh they have no pipeline and stacked with old geezers

Wallinder is projected as 3rd pairing if he makes it and all of us would get rid of compher in a heartbeat He can take his championship experience elsewhere

Peterka ain’t pavel Burke but let’s not pretend we wouldn’t take him in a heartbeat. It’s not a stretch to say he can be a 70+ pt guy here which we lack and in real life I doubt Rasmussen +compher+ Berggren for peterka will get a deal done

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

These i actually still believe.

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

13th pick in a meh draft , trade that in a heartbeat. Rasmussen is crap it’s unfortunate he’s 25 only cause unless we get rid of his ass he won’t be leaving anytime soon

He’s the weakest 6’6 man who’s eyes only lift up with fury when he sees jack Hughes

I do think there’s more in Berggren and he can be a 45-50 pt guy but that’ll only happen on a horrible team where he can get opportunity’s. Send him to Pittsburgh they have no pipeline and stacking with old geezers

Wallinder is projected as 3rd pairing if he makes it and all of us would get rid of it compher in a heartbeat He can take his championship experience elsewhere

Peterka ain’t pavel Burke but let’s not pretend we wouldn’t take him in a heartbeat. It’s not a stretch to say he can be a 70+ pt guy here which we lack and in real life I doubt Rasmussen +compher+ Berggren for peterka will get a deal done

Is Pavel Burke Brian Burke's other son? Lol. I want JJ but im not giving up a farm for him. Don't forget he wants a huge raise too...

 

[RedHawkDown]

A pile of garbage? Number one what? #13 pick is garbage? Ras is a solid 3/4th liner that's only 25. Berggren can probably score 20-25 goals if given PP time and top 6 mins. Wallinder is a solid prospect. Compher has championship experience and can get you 20 goals as well... When did Peterka and Byram turn into Pavel Bure and Scott Niedermayer?

You can go suggest this in the trade forum and see if a single person think it’s anything other than a pile of garbage. You will get completely laughed out of the board. I didn’t include the pick in it. Berggren is nearly 25 and a fringe NHLer. Ras is a bottom 6 forward. Wallinder is 22 years old. You realize he’s only one year younger than Byram? Hes not a solid prospect at this stage. He is far more likely to be a total bust than a useful NHL defenseman. Compher is a highly overpaid 3rd liner. There is zero chance on earth that Buffalo even considers that proposal for a second.

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

You can go suggest this in the trade forum and see if a single person think it’s anything other than a pile of garbage. You will get completely laughed out of the board. I didn’t include the pick in it. Berggren is nearly 25 and a fringe NHLer. Ras is a bottom 6 forward. Wallinder is 22 years old. You realize he’s only one year younger than Byram? Hes not a solid prospect at this stage. He is far more likely to be a total bust than a useful NHL defenseman. Compher is a highly overpaid 3rd liner. There is zero chance on earth that Buffalo even considers that proposal for a second.

You didn't include the #13 pick? Why not? To strengthen your argument? #13OA isn't worth much nowadays? You are also forgetting their GM is probably getting fired and has be terrible...

 

[RedHawkDown]

You didn't include the #13 pick? Why not? To strengthen your argument? #13OA isn't worth much nowadays? You are also forgetting their GM is probably getting fired and has be terrible...

Huh? If you think Byram and Peterka are being traded for the 13 pick alone, sure. The rest of the package has almost zero value.

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

Is Pavel Burke Brian Burke's other son? Lol. I want JJ but im not giving up a farm for him. Don't forget he wants a huge raise too...

He wants a huge raise cause he doesn’t suck . Apparently here we only like giving huge raises to guys who do suck

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

You didn't include the #13 pick? Why not? To strengthen your argument? #13OA isn't worth much nowadays? You are also forgetting their GM is probably getting fired and has be terrible...

They’re gm is getting fired and has been terrible so let’s trade a top player for a 13th pick that can be another Rasmussen or some garbage player heck might as well add Rasmussen himself

I’d love to make that deal but let’s be real if JJ Peterka was a redwing we wouldn’t trade him for the 13th pick and Rasmussen if fans came here proposing that we’d tell them to take a hike

 

[jkutswings]

They’re gm is getting fired and has been terrible so let’s trade a top player for a 13th pick that can be another Rasmussen or some garbage player heck might as well add Rasmussen himself

I’d love to make that deal but let’s be real if JJ Peterka was a redwing we wouldn’t trade him for the 13th pick and Rasmussen if fans came here proposing that we’d tell them to take a hike

Agreed. But some of this will depend on how the situation unfolds from a PR standpoint.

If this is the last we hear about Peterka wanting out of town, then I'm betting either he re-signs in Buffalo or the Sabres find a trade partner to land a sizeable return.

If things really turn sour and the player holds out until he's dealt, that drops Buffalo's leverage, especially if there's a short list of teams he would play for.

So we'll see where the level of drama ends up, and how many teams get involved in the bidding war.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Jj Peterka and Bowen Byram for Ras,Berggren,Compher, Wallinder & #13?

My God is this serious?

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

So ya back to what’s really on everyone’s minds .... my moneys on brad being deca

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

So ya back to what’s really on everyone’s minds .... my moneys on brad being deca

Did he say "YZERFENCE" at all during the podcast?

 

[WingsToPick4th]

To Detroit:
Bo Byram
JJ Peterka

To Buffalo:
Nate Danielson (C)
2025 1st (13OA)
Rasmussen

Who says no?

 

[jkutswings]

To Detroit: Byram, Peterka

To Buffalo: Danielson, 13OA, Rasmussen

Who says no?

Me. Not because the trade is bad on paper, but because Detroit would be losing a prospect known for his two-way play while adding two players that don't play defense.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

To Detroit:
Bo Byram
JJ Peterka

To Buffalo:
Nate Danielson (C)
2025 1st (13OA)
Rasmussen

Who says no?

Well, BUF fans melt in their graves over the suggestion of any future being the centerpiece of any trade...

... But I wouldn't do it on Detroit's end either. Remove JJ. Remove Danielson. Then I'd do it. (Which should tell you the value is too low for both... Or maybe tells you that I've overvalued Byram.

 

[13to40]

Huh? Wtf are "garbage goals for Buffalo"? He scored 27 goals for Buffalo and was probably their 2nd best player all year behind Dahlin and perhaps 3rd behind Thompson too.

Some of you have forgotten how much better guys are once they leave Buffalo and it shows. Peterka is going to put up 90 the next place he goes if he gets traded. Danielson + 1st would be a fantastic deal.

It doesn't matter anyways because the Sabres don't want picks or prospects since that's the one thing they have. They'd never do that deal.

90+ points from Peterka….?

Very optimistic!

I think 60-70 every year consistently is what he will be. 30-35G player with a decent supporting cast.

I was a JJ fan before he was drafted and hoped the wings would get him for Seider and watched him closely because he was on my fantasy team… I really, really like the player, but I think 90pts is quite a stretch.