Windsor Spitfires 2024-25 Season Thread, Part III

[Cherrydon]

All high school aged kids have one.

You are correct to a degree. 1ST round picks EX:Nesbitt almost all have one nowadays as well as many US born players who often also ask for a NTC. It is not automatic that all contracts have a NTC even if they are in high school. There already is a rule in place that a high school player has to give consent to a trade by the player and their family but that is a league rule and not a NTC written in their contract. a NTC written into their contract protects them throughout their CHL career against a trade without consent, not just when their in high school.

 

[ohloutsider]

You are correct to a degree. 1ST round picks EX:Nesbitt almost all have one nowadays as well as many US born players who often also ask for a NTC. It is not automatic that all contracts have a NTC even if they are in high school. There already is a rule in place that a high school player has to give consent to a trade by the player and their family but that is a league rule and not a NTC written in their contract. a NTC written into their contract protects them throughout their CHL career against a trade without consent, not just when their in high school.

Well they can't be traded without their consent until they finish high school. Sounds like a NTC clause they sign with the team and the league to me. Yes players like Nesbitt have a full NTC but Manzo will as well as long as he is still is high school age. It's basically the same thing only different. Manzo will not have the same NTC next year at 18.

 

[ohloutsider]

Greentree OHL player of the week.

 

[Cherrydon]

Well they can't be traded without their consent until they finish high school. Sounds like a NTC clause they sign with the team and the league to me. Yes players like Nesbitt have a full NTC but Manzo will as well as long as he is still is high school age. It's basically the same thing only different. Manzo will not have the same NTC next year at 18

Same result yes Most players accept a trade once they feel the team no longer wants them or are told they will have a limited role moving forward. The NTC being invoked could be Spellacy Greentree Abraham Morneau Cristoforo Woodall or even Belchetz though I doubt he is available at any price lol. Assumption it's Nesbitt because another poster suggested Nesbitt is a player other teams want in return. That is the normal ask previous year 1st round pick kinda like Miedema for Wright and many going back 10 years. It was almost every year Rychel dealt previous 1st rounder.

 

[ohloutsider]

Same result yes Most players accept a trade once they feel the team no longer wants them or are told they will have a limited role moving forward. The NTC being invoked could be Spellacy Greentree Abraham Morneau Cristoforo Woodall or even Belchetz though I doubt he is available at any price lol. Assumption it's Nesbitt because another poster suggested Nesbitt is a player other teams want.

Well personally I'm ok if it is Nesbitt chosing to stay as I see him too valuable. Not many trades would make it worth to lose him for 2 or 3 years. I get that Manzo in the end might get more ice etc if he excepted a trade but we really don't know each players reasons why they decide to do what they feel is best for them. Be safe.

 

[Cherrydon]

Well personally I'm ok if it is Nesbitt chosing to stay as I see him too valuable. Not many trades would make it worth to lose him for 2 or 3 years. I get that Manzo in the end might get more ice etc if he excepted a trade but we really don't know each players reasons why they decide to do what they feel is best for them. Be safe.

I'm not suggesting trading Nesbitt either, it is the "common ask " for teams who are offering a proven high end talent and are in selling mode to rebuild.. Nesbitt is currently at 1 pt per game and Miedema was.just under at 0.86 per game when BB pulled the trigger. I don't think Bowler cares who's feelings he may hurt. Nor should he really. If trading Nesbitt turned into a Championship this year, I am happy. If it doesn't, I will whine about the trade with the rest of you. I cheer the team success first and a players individual success second.

 

[OHLTG]

I know Belchetz and Nesbitt were asked about for at least one prominent player. I don't think those conversations went very far. IF Nesbitt brings in an elite 06, as part of a package, Bowler may listen, but that's a strong "IF."

 

[windsor7]

I know Belchetz and Nesbitt were asked about for at least one prominent player. I don't think those conversations went very far. IF Nesbitt brings in an elite 06, as part of a package, Bowler may listen, but that's a strong "IF."

Those 2 r not the problem.
Bowler will need to do more

 

[rve24]

If Windsor were selling top end rentals or players with a year left, the ask would similar to what most here don't want to give up.
Same for every team in all sports. Fans overvalue what is in house, buying or selling. Makes for interesting convo on fan boards but the reality is usually in between what any 1 fan bases value their "sell or buy" players at. Always a tough spot for GMs but I'll always advocate....take a direction n be aggressive with it, whatever that direction is. Own it n go for it.
Always fun to follow the speculation and differing teams thoughts on players value.
LK in the same boat as Windsor (as are 18 other teams lol)......"our youngins are untouchable vs we need the youngin return to deal our vet" " we need to wait a year to go for it" " we need to go all in now" " that price is too high or low to deal player x" It's why the GMs get paid big bucks lol, and we arm chairs are right 100% in hindsight.
Enjoy the ride.
I personally don't like all the talk LK is untouchable I read. There are 3 high end squads 1st half of year in the west. The 2nd half, how each team keeps developing players, fine tuning systems and acclimating additions into the team structure that'll give us a clearer picture for POs, as it always does.in the O. Problems for GMs is that ain't clear until the moves are already made.

 

[rve24]

Could Mayich from Ottawa be a consideration?

 

[frontsfan67]

I know Belchetz and Nesbitt were asked about for at least one prominent player. I don't think those conversations went very far. IF Nesbitt brings in an elite 06, as part of a package, Bowler may listen, but that's a strong "IF."

I agree.

Nesbitt for mews would make a lot of sense and would also take some pressure off of cristoforo next year but personally I think Nesbitt for Fischer would make even more sense with Fischer playing a more well rounded game it may give a chance for cristo to improve his offensive game more and you’d have an anchor on the pk with Fischer, as well as a pp specialist in cristo.

Belchetz is obviously not getting traded- if he got traded for anyone bowler would need to be put in jail

Could Mayich from Ottawa be a consideration?

Windsor is like Brantford- 2 year window. Mayich is pretty good but would be gone next year. Would make more sense for them to target a high end 18 year old d such as Fischer from sarnia, mews from Ottawa.

Or a 19 year old 1.5yr good d that can be an OA such as Mitch young (who could probably be had for just picks)

 

[OHLTG]

Nesbitt for mews would make a lot of sense and would also take some pressure off of cristoforo next year but personally I think Nesbitt for Fischer would make even more sense with Fischer playing a more well rounded game it may give a chance for cristo to improve his offensive game more and you’d have an anchor on the pk with Fischer, as well as a pp specialist in cristo.

Belchetz is obviously not getting traded- if he got traded for anyone bowler would need to be put in jail

I'm not sold on dealing Nesbitt for an offensive D right now. Windsor needs that big crease clearer. I like Fischer but I don't know who he would cost.

 

[rve24]

I'm not sold on dealing Nesbitt for an offensive D right now. Windsor needs that big crease clearer. I like Fischer but I don't know who he would cost.

Who is the offensive D you are referring to? Sorry couldn't follow the convo.

 

[Fastpace]

Would Nesbitt wave his no trade clause, leaving a contending team to a non-one, Nesbitt is here to stay, at least this season for sure.

 

[DetSpitsFan]

I too think London is beatable. I really don’t think I’d pay much to increase those odds…

I mean think of it this way. You don’t have to beat London in a 7 game series for them to face Kitchener. Earlier I thought it would be a reach to expect to beat them in points for first, but here we are… couple games more, but same number of points.

Theres so many directions this could go, and so many names floating in and out, I really have no idea what to think.

If I was here last season, returned expecting to finish 4th or 5th and now we’re making a run, I wouldn’t want to be moved.

I’m excited but have no clue what’s going to happen. I’m still wanting an 05’ returning defensemen. We have 3 goalies that can fight for crease time and an 08’ that may wiggle into a start or two and create more pressure on the others. We debatably have the best current offense in the league.

There’s no one I really hate on this team or want gone from an on ice perspective.

I do however like The idea of Eichler, Winegard, Manzo, outwater? (Can he be moved injured?) and a couple picks out. Young or Fischer In and an upgraded import 06 or younger that will return.

Off chance Protas is back, the import we acquired can go out for picks if we like our options at the import draft.
Christoforo, Young/Fischer, Woodall, Walton, Hicks, add one more defensemen and it’s a returning D core with a year more of experience.
Lose Abraham, maybe Protas up front, but Nesbitt and Belchetz will have increased production next year, I guarantee it.

I don’t want to blow next year for this year, based on how well we’ve done with what we have. Who else in the West is buying? Easterns conference has their eyes wide with no one up top. It’s London over here… with Kitchener and Windsor on their tail.

Who is the offensive D you are referring to? Sorry couldn't follow the convo.

Assuming Mews. He would be a great addition, just don’t think we can afford it.

 

[frontsfan67]

Who is the offensive D you are referring to? Sorry couldn't follow the convo.

Mews.

Have been rumours about Ottawa maybe looking at dealing him since the start of the season. Dont know if they’re legit rumours or not or if those rumours are still going on.

Fischer who is a 2way/defensive d may work better though alongside Anthony cristoforo who is an offensive d

If spits were to shop Nesbitt and a lot of picks, maybe Ottawa or sarnia would bite on that. Would help Sarnia and Ottawa in their 2026/27 seasons majorly and mews/fischer would help Windsor in their runs the next 2 years.

 

[tomschman]

This year's Spitfire team is an enigma. They only have 3 players that have been drafted (not including Mathurin whose rights have expired). They had no players in the WJC. They will probably only have 1 player drafted this year. They don't play well for major parts of many games (as is documented on this board). But all they do is win. I don't know exactly how they do it. Team Chemistry? Coaching?

The team has an above average OA group. They have only 1 solid 2005 in Costanzo. The other 2005s are fillers. They have an excellent 06 class but are very shallow in the 2007 class. The 08s are solid, but because of their age don't make a substantial impact (other than Belchez).

I think most of us thought this team would be a 5th to 8th seed. They do benefit from a very weak division. which they lead by 22 points and will most certainly be seeded 2nd.

All in all, this team seems to be a case of 1+1 = 3. The whole is much more than the sum of the parts. IMO, any trades should be to strength next year. Two years ago, Bowler brought in several big names at the trade deadline, and it seemed to hurt the team. Hopefully that won't happen again.

 

[rve24]

I too think London is beatable. I really don’t think I’d pay much to increase those odds…

I mean think of it this way. You don’t have to beat London in a 7 game series for them to face Kitchener. Earlier I thought it would be a reach to expect to beat them in points for first, but here we are… couple games more, but same number of points.

Theres so many directions this could go, and so many names floating in and out, I really have no idea what to think.

If I was here last season, returned expecting to finish 4th or 5th and now we’re making a run, I wouldn’t want to be moved.

I’m excited but have no clue what’s going to happen. I’m still wanting an 05’ returning defensemen. We have 3 goalies that can fight for crease time and an 08’ that may wiggle into a start or two and create more pressure on the others. We debatably have the best current offense in the league.

There’s no one I really hate on this team or want gone from an on ice perspective.

I do however like The idea of Eichler, Winegard, Manzo, outwater? (Can he be moved injured?) and a couple picks out. Young or Fischer In and an upgraded import 06 or younger that will return.

Off chance Protas is back, the import we acquired can go out for picks if we like our options at the import draft.
Christoforo, Young/Fischer, Woodall, Walton, Hicks, add one more defensemen and it’s a returning D core with a year more of experience.
Lose Abraham, maybe Protas up front, but Nesbitt and Belchetz will have increased production next year, I guarantee it.

I don’t want to blow next year for this year, based on how well we’ve done with what we have. Who else in the West is buying? Easterns conference has their eyes wide with no one up top. It’s London over here… with Kitchener and Windsor on their tail.


Assuming Mews. He would be a great addition, just don’t think we can afford it.

Mayich an option from OTT?

 

[LeProspector]

Maybe I’m dumb, but I think Nesbitt for Fischer straight up would be pretty close to getting it done.

Nesbitt projects as a first/second round pick this year, Fischer was a second round pick.

Sarina gets an extra year with Nesbitt who is an ‘07 vs Fischer who is an ‘06. Both players are integral parts to their teams at the moment.

Just blabbering here.

 

[Fastpace]

This year's Spitfire team is an enigma. They only have 3 players that have been drafted (not including Mathurin whose rights have expired). They had no players in the WJC. They will probably only have 1 player drafted this year. They don't play well for major parts of many games (as is documented on this board). But all they do is win. I don't know exactly how they do it. Team Chemistry? Coaching?

The team has an above average OA group. They have only 1 solid 2005 in Costanzo. The other 2005s are fillers. They have an excellent 06 class but are very shallow in the 2007 class. The 08s are solid, but because of their age don't make a substantial impact (other than Belchez).

I think most of us thought this team would be a 5th to 8th seed. They do benefit from a very weak division. which they lead by 22 points and will most certainly be seeded 2nd.

All in all, this team seems to be a case of 1+1 = 3. The whole is much more than the sum of the parts. IMO, any trades should be to strength next year. Two years ago, Bowler brought in several big names at the trade deadline, and it seemed to hurt the team. Hopefully that won't happen again.

Knock a player down, and he stands right back up, that's a character player, and the Spits have loads of them. They are not over archivers, they are earning their wins with hard work right up to the final buzzer

 

[Cherrydon]

Oshawa apparently working a couple of deals holding other teams watching and waiting. I have a feeling there are more players to be had, of course if the price is right and less buyers for those players. Reverse auction start high and back lower if a team wants to move a player. Non mem cup OHL year, less buyers added to the Knights already mailed in by some as the winners should bolster a buyers markrt. Keep in mind the reason so many picks are required is the priority draft is a pile of young kids who have not proved their worth yet. Proven OHL talent commands a premium at deadline. Every 4-5 picks you make you're luvky if you yield 1 gem with most likely along with 3-4 duds or fringe players.

 

[OHLTG]

All in all, this team seems to be a case of 1+1 = 3. The whole is much more than the sum of the parts.

That's not a bad way to put it. The players have said that they're enjoying the ride, they trust each other, they're as tight-knit as ever, and they believe. I didn't expect any of this but I'm enjoying the ride, too.

Maybe I’m dumb, but I think Nesbitt for Fischer straight up would be pretty close to getting it done.

I would rather do Nesbitt + Manzo for Fischer + Wainwright with picks to even it up... IF I had to make a deal with Nesbitt.

 

[SpitfireHabs1]

Don't care what your offering, it should be no to trading Nesbitt. Big part of next season and is already improved drastically this year, does a little bit of everything and thats the kind of players and people you win championships with.

We aren't getting past London this year, also few strong team's out east and I don't want to trade big pieces that will be here for next seasons run just to win one or two playoff series this year, all the chips and pieces are aligning to take an even stronger run next year.

Make some smaller trades to shore up some areas and potentially move other players lower down the depth chart or some draft picks is fine and then see where the cards fall come this years playoffs. This team is doing better then most anticipated forsure but theres no Need to jump the gun, Please play it smart Bowler.

Go Spits Go.

 

[Cherrydon]

It's pretty simple. Nothing new, for playoff hockey success we need some D improvement and maybe add a proven backup goalie to go super deep. We have excess in offense and a lack of defensive D. Ying and Yang. I'll trade offense player A for defensive player B.

 

[windsor7]

1st spellacy now to nesbit.
Who is next?? Pick another player out if the hat..
Haha