Post-Game Talk: Willy Hatty: Leafs Win!

[thusk]

He didn't get slashed on the glove. The glove and stick brushed against each other as they both made a play on the incoming puck. Wolf had a chance to control the puck. He fumbled it. And all that has zero relevance to the bad call that reversed the goal. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

The picture and video evidence supports my position. Not the first wrong call made by the NHL, and it won't be the last.

on 1st picture in red is the puck

watch the movement of wolf glove... before the hit it was just a normal movement but oops when tavares hit his glove, his glove change of direction...

If Wolf who just lost possession of the puck, the puck would just fall on the ice and not turning his glove in the worst side possible and get puck bouncing on the air the way his was positionning. The fact he's turned his glove that way is just the result of contact with Tavares stick

 

[thusk]

I don't think that matters.

If a puck is on a goalies pad it is available.

On equipment isn't in control.

if puck is under a pad, player X push goalie pad and after push puck in, its 100% goalie interference all the time

If you watch replay in slow motion, you clearly saw Wolf with puck in his Glove, JT hit his glove, Wolf glove making a non-natural movement and Wolf losing the puck, that's 100% goalie interference

 

[Fogelhund]

Pedant special... arguing about a goal called back, when we won by three goals anyway. It didn't matter...

 

[ULF_55]

if puck is under a pad, player X push goalie pad and after push puck in, its 100% goalie interference all the time

If you watch replay in slow motion, you clearly saw Wolf with puck in his Glove, JT hit his glove, Wolf glove making a non-natural movement and Wolf losing the puck, that's 100% goalie interference

You would be correct if "if puck is under a pad, player X push goalie pad".

Goalie was not in control of the puck, and the puck was free or the goalie would have closed his glove on it.

Tavares did not push a pad, he hit at the puck that was not under the control of anyone, that is why Tavares was able to hit the puck.

And your supposition is a red herring.
It was called off because of high stick.

 

[Dekes For Days]

before the hit it was just a normal movement but oops when tavares hit his glove, his glove change of direction...

Wolf catches it awkwardly all on his own. It's under/side hand as more of a scoop, and then he doesn't close his glove, so he fumbles it upwards. And again, it's not relevant to the call made.

 

[CabanaBoy5]

Lorentz and Pacioretty are cheap secondary players providing physicality and size. Robertson had a very good game despite the goose egg, and he's been solid since his first half season curse. 7th in goals for on the team ain't too shabby.

They desperately need find upgrades over Kampf and Holmberg though. Talk about empty calories. I was a big defender of Holmberg for awhile but yesterday was the kind of game you go on waivers for. Leafs seriously need to call-up Steeves and make a damn center trade.

I agree with everything you've said. We need Lorentz' and Pacioretty's physicality, especially in the playoffs, although I didn't like Pacioretty's game last night. I thought Robertson has been playing really well. Kampf and Holmberg are ok as fourth liners, but I feel a Steeves would add some offence to that line. Domi has been disappointing on any line, top 6 or bottom 6 in every aspect.

My point, is that we need some secondary scoring from that 3rd and 4th line, especially when the core 4 are neutered by good goalies and hard checking teams. Holmberg 2 goals, Kampf 3 goals, Domi 3 goals, Reaves 0 goals....we need more if they're not going to contribute physicality. Lorentz has 1 goal in his last 10 games, Paccioretty has had 0 goals and only one assist in his last 10 games but at least they help the team in other ways.

 

[thusk]

You would be correct if "if puck is under a pad, player X push goalie pad".

Goalie was not in control of the puck, and the puck was free or the goalie would have closed his glove on it.

Tavares did not push a pad, he hit at the puck that was not under the control of anyone, that is why Tavares was able to hit the puck.

And your supposition is a red herring.
It was called off because of high stick.

I will clarify my last post... If the puck is under the pad and pucj hide under his pad.. its not considerated like lost puck...

tavares hit wolf glove when the puck was in his glove, after the contact the puck bounce in the air and he hit it with high stick. JT interfered with Wolf ability to keep the puck in his glove. Did he would kept it without contact, i don't know bit it's the same thing than farabee goal disallowed. Did Woll would made the save without contact with huberdeau? i don't know but huberdeau interfered with Woll ability to make the save.

 

[thusk]

Wolf catches it awkwardly all on his own. It's under/side hand as more of a scoop, and then he doesn't close his glove, so he fumbles it upwards. And again, it's not relevant to the call made.

you can't hit goalie glove to make him losing the puck glove open or close, it's goalie interference

 

[JL17]

Wolf catches it awkwardly all on his own. It's under/side hand as more of a scoop, and then he doesn't close his glove, so he fumbles it upwards. And again, it's not relevant to the call made.

You said earlier he never had possession of the puck now he catches it?

 

[Dekes For Days]

you can't hit goalie glove to make him losing the puck glove open or close, it's goalie interference

Both skater and goalie are allowed to go for an incoming puck. Wolf lost the puck because of Wolf. The call was not goalie interference. The call was high stick, which was wrong. What you think about a call that never happened is irrelevant.

You said earlier he never had possession of the puck now he catches it?

I said he didn't have control, and he didn't. The puck hitting your glove is not possession.

 

[Fogelhund]

Pedants who won't let the opportunity for a good, and meaningless argument go.

 

[ULF_55]

you can't hit goalie glove to make him losing the puck glove open or close, it's goalie interference

Do you have a rule stating that?

From what I've found:

• No full control:
  As long as the glove is open even slightly, the puck is not considered secured and play will continue.
  
  
  
• Goalie responsibility:
  It's the goalie's responsibility to fully close their glove around the puck to make a save.

 

[LeafSteel]

Pedants who won't let the opportunity for a good, and meaningless argument go.

Waiting for this one to pass to present the next hill to die on argument:

Water is wet.

Prepare to defend…..

 

[notDatsyuk]

It took Keefe till around this time last year to figure out where to put Domi, hopefully Berube has realized it too

Hell, if they really want to I'm not against stacking the second line and having something like this:

Knies - Matthews - Domi
Nylander - Tavares - Marner
McMann - 3C - Robertson
Lorentz - Kampf - Dewar

Mitch is supposed to be so good at making anyone a star (look at what he;s done for Matty). Willy is better on the right side (or C) and Robertson is better on the left:

Knies - Matthews - Domi
McMann - Tavares - Nylander
Robertson - 3C - Marner

McMann will give Nylander at least one linemate who can keep up, and Willy and Robertson will be on their proper wings.

 

[ULF_55]

Waiting for this one to pass to present the next hill to die on argument:

Water is wet.

Prepare to defend…..

Game is long over ... this is just sitting around shooting the poop.

We could solve world hunger, but no one reading here cares enough.

 

[ULF_55]

Mitch is supposed to be so good at making anyone a star (look at what he;s done for Matty). Willy is better on the right side (or C) and Robertson is better on the left:

Knies - Matthews - Domi
McMann - Tavares - Nylander
Robertson - 3C - Marner

McMann will give Nylander at least one linemate who can keep up, and Willy and Robertson will be on their proper wings.

I want the 3C, capable of filling a 2C role for when Tavares regresses.

As someone above says, "water is wet", Tavares will regress.

 

[LeafSteel]

Game is long over ... this is just sitting around shooting the poop.

We could solve world hunger, but no one reading here cares enough.

Next topic of argument would be:

spoon vs fork vs spork vs chopsticks vs bread vs fingers.

That would last us until the Apocalypse.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Waiting for this one to pass to present the next hill to die on argument:

Water is wet.

Prepare to defend…..

We are discussing hockey - water is not wet (a liquid), it is a solid.

 

[LeafSteel]

We are discussing hockey - water is not wet (a liquid), it is a solid.

What if it’s frozen, like on an ice rink? What about in a urinal? Or a fish tank? Or an ocean? Or an…..

 

[Fogelhund]

Waiting for this one to pass to present the next hill to die on argument:

Water is wet.

Prepare to defend…..

Technically, water is not considered "wet"; "wetness" refers to the sensation of being covered by water, so while water can make other things wet, it itself is not wet.

 

[ULF_55]

Next topic of argument would be:

spoon vs fork vs spork vs chopsticks vs bread vs fingers.

That would last us until the Apocalypse.

If old enough you must remember the goals to have rice that doesn't stick together?

All those commercials that the rice just fall all over the plate?

You really want sticky rice when using chopsticks!

 

[Gabriel426]

Technically, water is not considered "wet"; "wetness" refers to the sensation of being covered by water, so while water can make other things wet, it itself is not wet.

Be water, my friend. from Bruce Lee.
What does that mean then, lol.

 

[SprDaVE]

I agree with everything you've said. We need Lorentz' and Pacioretty's physicality, especially in the playoffs, although I didn't like Pacioretty's game last night. I thought Robertson has been playing really well. Kampf and Holmberg are ok as fourth liners, but I feel a Steeves would add some offence to that line. Domi has been disappointing on any line, top 6 or bottom 6 in every aspect.

My point, is that we need some secondary scoring from that 3rd and 4th line, especially when the core 4 are neutered by good goalies and hard checking teams. Holmberg 2 goals, Kampf 3 goals, Domi 3 goals, Reaves 0 goals....we need more if they're not going to contribute physicality. Lorentz has 1 goal in his last 10 games, Paccioretty has had 0 goals and only one assist in his last 10 games but at least they help the team in other ways.

Fully agreed. We definitely need more offensive contributions from a few players, especially from Domi and Kampf. It's bad. Pacioretty might not be 100%. He needs the break coming up.

 

[notDatsyuk]

What if it’s frozen, like on an ice rink? What about in a urinal? Or a fish tank? Or an ocean? Or an…..

That's what I mean - if we're talking hockey, it's frozen, i.e., a solid.

 

[CabanaBoy5]

Fully agreed. We definitely need more offensive contributions from a few players, especially from Domi and Kampf. It's bad. Pacioretty might not be 100%. He needs the break coming up.

Holmberg hasn't scored since Dec. 10, an empty net goal. Domi hasn't scored since Dec. 20. Kampf only has an empty net goal in the new year. Dewar and Reaves haven't scored this season. Pacioretty hasn't scored since Dec. 20. Lorentz has one goal since Dec. 31. No wonder this team had struggled in the month of January.