Player Discussion William Nylander

[Confucius]

Nylander fanboys pretending nylander is having a good year.

He's 3-4M overpaid this year

On pace for 46 goals, maybe he is a little overpaid but not more than a million.

 

[GoonieFace]

Bigger question: Will he get to 10 hits?

Just looking at those hit stats. Tanev with 10? And Marner with 30? lol, do they count stumbling into people hits now?

 

[ITM]

Most of us think Nylander is overpaid. All four are. But 14 for Marner is to much and 11.5 to much for Nylander. This is Nylanders first 11.5 year. How many years has Marner been overpaid and his contract year it is suddenly ok because he play better then ever.
11,5 is to much for any 2nd line player, but all our 11mills cant be on the first line.
Nylander on the first line with Marner would make Nylander a 100+point player (elit sniper with a elite playmaker). Tavares never been the best player with Nylander long time, gets to slow during the season.

Id like to see Marner with Nylander and mcmann for 20 games. Put Matthews with Domi and whatever( Tavares when healthy, if Tavares is good enough for Nylander he is good enough for Matthews) .

You can't and don't speak for "most of us". Darnell Nurse is overpaid. Tristan Jarry is overpaid. Marc E. Vlasic is overpaid. Nylander is not overpaid for all of the easily verifiable reasons for people interested in good faith exchanges can access.

I think Knies and Nylander should be a fixture, and more so now that McMann has looked good with Marner (and Matthews). A healthy Pacioretty would make a pretty interesting line in the playoffs.

And I think as the cap rises, we'll see that the value is there for Nylander, who, isn't really a "second line" player, but certainly a first line player deployed on the line behind our nigh-70 goal scoring Rocket winner.

 

[ACC1224]

Maybe Berube can try him as center again, rather than Kampf/Holmberg/Minten/Dewar ...

Long overdue but playing center would severely cut down on the breakaways.

 

[ULF_55]

Long overdue but playing center would severely cut down on the breakaways.

It would, but Knies-Nylander-McMann would be interesting to watch.

 

[ACC1224]

It would, but Knies-Nylander-McMann would be interesting to watch.

I don't think it's wise to have Knies and McMann on the same line.

 

[Sypher04]

Nylander fanboys pretending nylander is having a good year.

He's 3-4M overpaid this year

Lmao no he isn’t.

 

[ULF_55]

Nylander fanboys pretending nylander is having a good year.

He's 3-4M overpaid this year

He isn't having a best year, but there are still 32 games to play so kind of early to call it.

I think he's $1mm - $1.5mm overpaid, and those who were espousing $9mm prior to signing were just completely out to lunch. Bias is bias.

My guess is the agent said you aren't taking another lowball offer compared to your mates this time. He wasn't 40% worse than the double digits.

 

[hamzarocks]

Lmao no he isn’t.

Yes a ppg player is not worth 11.5M

The absurd takes here are crazy

People look at 46G but dont see him having only 36A pace.

He isnt delivering anything better than what Tavares was in 2020 to 2023 period and Tavares was valued around 8-9M.

So 4M overpaid is likely too much but 2-3M overpayment is aligned with how Tavares was viewed when he was around ppg for a 4 year stretch after his first year.

This is year 1 of the deal, if he plays this poorly from the start this deal will be terrible by Year 3 or 4 at latest

 

[hamzarocks]

He isn't having a best year, but there are still 32 games to play so kind of early to call it.

I think he's $1mm - $1.5mm overpaid, and those who were espousing $9mm prior to signing were just completely out to lunch. Bias is bias.

My guess is the agent said you aren't taking another lowball offer compared to your mates this time. He wasn't 40% worse than the double digits.

He isnt worth more than 9-9.5M

He is a has 2 ppg seasons in his career in 2022 (87) and then last year (98 but on pace for 115 or 120 at time of signing)

Nylanders sample size of being back down to a ppg or so player is 93 games which is aligned with most of his career.

He had 41 in 43 after signing his deal in Jan 2024 and now 50 in 50 in 2025 season so far

What player producing 91 in 93 games is worth close to double digit AAV?

On pace for 46 goals, maybe he is a little overpaid but not more than a million.

Who gives a shit about goals?

Goal scorers are inferior players and the best players in the league are dual threat options (draisaitl, mcdavid) or playmakers (mack and kuch)

Nylander isnt scoring 65G where his 35A would let him bee worth 11.5M like matthews was worth 11.634 in 2021 and 2024 years despite not getting many assists either of those years

 

[Confucius]

He isnt worth more than 9-9.5M

He is a has 2 ppg seasons in his career in 2022 (87) and then last year (98 but on pace for 115 or 120 at time of signing)

Nylanders sample size of being back down to a ppg or so player is 93 games which is aligned with most of his career.

He had 41 in 43 after signing his deal in Jan 2024 and now 50 in 50 in 2025 season so far

What player producing 91 in 93 games is worth close to double digit AAV?


Who gives a shit about goals?

Goal scorers are inferior players and the best players in the league are dual threat options (draisaitl, mcdavid) or playmakers (mack and kuch)

Nylander isnt scoring 65G where his 35A would let him bee worth 11.5M like matthews was worth 11.634 in 2021 and 2024 years despite not getting many assists either of those years

Tough to win if you don’t score any. lol!

 

[kevsh]

Just looking at those hit stats. Tanev with 10? And Marner with 30? lol, do they count stumbling into people hits now?

I saw the low hits for Tanev awhile back and it was surprising, but watching him knowing that I can see why with his style. He spends most of his time focusing on being position rather than finishing checks. Seems to work well for him.

I've seen Mitch finish checks here and there this year but 30 is a bit more than I would have guessed. Not surprised at all thought that he has more than Willie.

McMann was also a bit of a surprise. I've seen him throw maybe 2 checks this year?

Anyhow, back to Willie. Hits or not, hope we see more consistency down the stretch instead of just his usual 2-3 breakaways per game.

 

[thewave]

Is what he is, overpaid until he wins a Rocket

 

[GoonieFace]

He isnt worth more than 9-9.5M

He is a has 2 ppg seasons in his career in 2022 (87) and then last year (98 but on pace for 115 or 120 at time of signing)

Nylanders sample size of being back down to a ppg or so player is 93 games which is aligned with most of his career.

He had 41 in 43 after signing his deal in Jan 2024 and now 50 in 50 in 2025 season so far

What player producing 91 in 93 games is worth close to double digit AAV?


Who gives a shit about goals?

Goal scorers are inferior players and the best players in the league are dual threat options (draisaitl, mcdavid) or playmakers (mack and kuch)

Nylander isnt scoring 65G where his 35A would let him bee worth 11.5M like matthews was worth 11.634 in 2021 and 2024 years despite not getting many assists either of those years

Draisaitl plays a lot with McDavid, Mack played with Rantanen, Kucherov plays with Guentzel, played with Point last year. These are all 1st line players.

Nylander plays with Holmberg and an ancient Tavares and Pacioretty, and whatever other scraps Bérubé throws his way.

Is he overpaid. Yes. No one is denying that. That’s a leaf problem, not a Nylander problem. He is holding up his end of the bargain, as he is currently 3rd in the NHL in goals

 

[Jojalu]

Yes a ppg player is not worth 11.5M

The absurd takes here are crazy

People look at 46G but dont see him having only 36A pace.

He isnt delivering anything better than what Tavares was in 2020 to 2023 period and Tavares was valued around 8-9M.

So 4M overpaid is likely too much but 2-3M overpayment is aligned with how Tavares was viewed when he was around ppg for a 4 year stretch after his first year.

This is year 1 of the deal, if he plays this poorly from the start this deal will be terrible by Year 3 or 4 at latest

Here is my take.

As the regular season to this fan base means verty little, wouldn't we have to see what happens in the playoffs before we decide who is overpaid or not.

Win the Cup. No one was overpaid.

Lose anytime before= debate away on how many of them are overpaid.

But Nylander at 13.1 %
Matthews at 15% means Marner will probably get 14%.

Now back to 42% of the cap in 3 players. They have to win to justify doing this again.

 

[LeafEgo]

Yes a ppg player is not worth 11.5M

The absurd takes here are crazy

People look at 46G but dont see him having only 36A pace.

He isnt delivering anything better than what Tavares was in 2020 to 2023 period and Tavares was valued around 8-9M.

So 4M overpaid is likely too much but 2-3M overpayment is aligned with how Tavares was viewed when he was around ppg for a 4 year stretch after his first year.

This is year 1 of the deal, if he plays this poorly from the start this deal will be terrible by Year 3 or 4 at latest

2M is much closer to sanity, and if you adjust for inflation per your comparable you start working your way to 1M.

But you're also discounting him for his deployment. If he was the one going to Carolina and deployed as their primary offensive weapon you might see him putting up Pasta numbers.

 

[hamzarocks]

2M is much closer to sanity, and if you adjust for inflation per your comparable you start working your way to 1M.

But you're also discounting him for his deployment. If he was the one going to Carolina and deployed as their primary offensive weapon you might see him putting up Pasta numbers.

You might want to check the level of talent Pasta has played with for 3 years and how badly he has dominated his teammates in scoring

If nylander was able to put 110 pt seasons he would he isnt capable of being that type of player

Again every nylander fan is ignoring his suckage is beyond this season. 91 pts in 93 games while playing for the leafs in a premium offensive role is no where good enough for his money.

He scammed us, that contract was going to be tough to live up to and he fell off right after signing it with 41 pts in final 43 games last year.

There is no special hidden talent here. Nylander has been a ppg player at best for his career outside of last year.

He isnt a guy who should be paid like a franchise winger

 

[hamzarocks]

Here is my take.

As the regular season to this fan base means verty little, wouldn't we have to see what happens in the playoffs before we decide who is overpaid or not.

Win the Cup. No one was overpaid.

Lose anytime before= debate away on how many of them are overpaid.

But Nylander at 13.1 %
Matthews at 15% means Marner will probably get 14%.

Now back to 42% of the cap in 3 players. They have to win to justify doing this again.

It sucks Draisaitl can be making 14M (next year still at 8.5M this year) and be a regular 2nd to 5th best player in the world discussion with some year of being best player in the world discussion AND dominate the playoffs at historcal levels

Same for Mack, Mcdavid, Kuch, Rantanen, Makar etc

Our guys getting a pass for being ppg in regular season just shows how badly we overestimated the talent level of this core group and overpaid.

Nylander will neeed to be a 90-100 pt playoff player (30 in 24 type run) to make up for this regular season.

Very hard to expect that type of run from him when hes never been that good in the playoffs and his best series werent enough for us to win usually in the playoffs.

Draisaitl plays a lot with McDavid, Mack played with Rantanen, Kucherov plays with Guentzel, played with Point last year. These are all 1st line players.

Nylander plays with Holmberg and an ancient Tavares and Pacioretty, and whatever other scraps Bérubé throws his way.

Is he overpaid. Yes. No one is denying that. That’s a leaf problem, not a Nylander problem. He is holding up his end of the bargain, as he is currently 3rd in the NHL in goals

Nylander has played with Tavares whose been around ppg this year in a bounce back season

Hes played games with matthews, domi, knies, McMann etc

being 3rd in the NHL doesnt make you worth 11.5M

Marner must be worth 14M since he is 5th in the league in points by this logic (he isnt for me and I wouldnt want him back based off a contract year season(

 

[ToneDog]

You might want to check the level of talent Pasta has played with for 3 years and how badly he has dominated his teammates in scoring

If nylander was able to put 110 pt seasons he would he isnt capable of being that type of player

Again every nylander fan is ignoring his suckage is beyond this season. 91 pts in 93 games while playing for the leafs in a premium offensive role is no where good enough for his money.

He scammed us, that contract was going to be tough to live up to and he fell off right after signing it with 41 pts in final 43 games last year.

There is no special hidden talent here. Nylander has been a ppg player at best for his career outside of last year.

He isnt a guy who should be paid like a franchise winger

Another example of the 3 amigos being me first players. This year it is Marner who is playing for a contract and is on pace for 110 points. Hell Tavares is doing the same. Get your money but bring it in the playoffs. Stop playing f***ing scared and walk the walk.

 

[LeafEgo]

You might want to check the level of talent Pasta has played with for 3 years and how badly he has dominated his teammates in scoring

If nylander was able to put 110 pt seasons he would he isnt capable of being that type of player

Again every nylander fan is ignoring his suckage is beyond this season. 91 pts in 93 games while playing for the leafs in a premium offensive role is no where good enough for his money.

He scammed us, that contract was going to be tough to live up to and he fell off right after signing it with 41 pts in final 43 games last year.

There is no special hidden talent here. Nylander has been a ppg player at best for his career outside of last year.

He isnt a guy who should be paid like a franchise winger

Last year, Ranta scored 6 more points than Willy with a whopping three more minutes per game alongside Mack on the first line, Makar in tow. He'll do about the same this year, and get 13-14M.

Pasta had his second best season, scored 12 more points on the first line with better players and all offence running through him. Pasta took 13.47%, Willy took 13.07%.

All of them were 40-47 goals.

Willy has been playing with scraps this year, it's painful to watch. You're not going to get Ranta/Pasta numbers, yell at the coach.

I thought 10.75M was the good number for him, but there was a dubie tax.

 

[Tie Domi Esquire]

Nylander fanboys pretending nylander is having a good year.

He's 3-4M overpaid this year

People seem to think goals is the only part of the game. That's why Austonflation gets a free pass.

 

[Confucius]

People seem to think goals is the only part of the game. That's why Austonflation gets a free pass.

3 rockets, Hart, Lindsay and a Calder from back in the day is why he gets a pass. When is the last time we had a player win even one major trophy?
Sorry, thought you were referring to Mathews.

 

[hamzarocks]

Last year, Ranta scored 6 more points than Willy with a whopping three more minutes per game alongside Mack on the first line, Makar in tow. He'll do about the same this year, and get 13-14M.

Pasta had his second best season, scored 12 more points on the first line with better players and all offence running through him. Pasta took 13.47%, Willy took 13.07%.

All of them were 40-47 goals.

Willy has been playing with scraps this year, it's painful to watch. You're not going to get Ranta/Pasta numbers, yell at the coach.

I thought 10.75M was the good number for him, but there was a dubie tax.

This is so far from reality not sure what to say

What better players was Pasta playing with last year?

Pasta plays with scraps, worse players than anyone Nylander plays for sustained period of time and your pretending their usage and linemate quality is the same.

Nylander only cared about getting a big contract last year. 57 pts in first 39 games playing with Tavares, Matthews, Knies etc.

He went back to a ppg level player after his signing with 41 in 43 last year post contract and 50 in 50 this year.

Rantanen has a history of being a 100+ pt player (similar to marner if you want the comparison)

Nylander has always had lower range comparables due to his IQ and production not being up with the very best of the league.

This is a secondary tier player we are pretending is as good as the best guys in the league.

 

[GoonieFace]

It sucks Draisaitl can be making 14M (next year still at 8.5M this year) and be a regular 2nd to 5th best player in the world discussion with some year of being best player in the world discussion AND dominate the playoffs at historcal levels

Same for Mack, Mcdavid, Kuch, Rantanen, Makar etc

Our guys getting a pass for being ppg in regular season just shows how badly we overestimated the talent level of this core group and overpaid.

Nylander will neeed to be a 90-100 pt playoff player (30 in 24 type run) to make up for this regular season.

Very hard to expect that type of run from him when hes never been that good in the playoffs and his best series werent enough for us to win usually in the playoffs.


Nylander has played with Tavares whose been around ppg this year in a bounce back season

Hes played games with matthews, domi, knies, McMann etc

being 3rd in the NHL doesnt make you worth 11.5M

Marner must be worth 14M since he is 5th in the league in points by this logic (he isnt for me and I wouldnt want him back based off a contract year season(

Once again, everyone knows he is overpayed at $11.5. The issue is let’s not make this mistake again with primarily a permiter playmaker

 

[hamzarocks]

Once again, everyone knows he is overpayed at $11.5. The issue is let’s not make this mistake again with primarily a permiter playmaker

So the best solution is moving both our periemter wingers for better suited players to win in the playoffs and build around Matthews.

Why keep 1 soft and undproducing winger at 11.5M when you want to contend.

Its likely to late for any shakeup moves for this core outside of letting Marner and maybe Tavares walk instead of getting assets for any of Nylander/Marner/Tavares and starting a retool.

We just have to take it from the core and live on hopes and prayers