William Nylander

[Martin Skoula]

Selke is based on regular season. His point about Matthews losing the head to head match in the post season against them is not a point you can counter very meaningfully.

I would imagine losing the head to head match would involve getting scored on more than you scored no? Did he outscore them as much as you’d an expect an elite talent to? Obviously not, but losing to these guys would suggest they outscored you which I don’t think is the case.

He can be not good enough against worse players without needing to invent NuFacts that never actually happened.

 

[BlueForever75]

Would you be against trading Nylander and re-signing Marner?

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Would you be against trading Nylander and re-signing Marner?

Yes.

Is trading Matthews an option ?
That's what I would prefer.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

 

[BlueForever75]

Yes.

Is trading Matthews an option ?
That's what I would pref

Nylander floats to much for my liking. If hes in the game he can be a game changer offensively. But he is non existent defensively. At least Marner and Matthews play a 200ft game.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Nylander floats to much for my liking

He can produce in the playoffs.
Ideally we can have someone who can skate with him.

Every team has room for a butter soft high skill winger.
Our core had 2.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Would you be against trading Nylander and re-signing Marner?

Why? You already have the better player signed for many years at a lower cost.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Yes.

Is trading Matthews an option ?
That's what I would prefer.

Even if you could trade Matthews, would you re-sign Marner?

 

[Hart Nation]

We can't really play Mitchy or Willy with Matty.. He needs another big bodied RW that is way more physical and can pass. Not even sure what to do with this mess.. Its almost like just run it back and hope we get a cup by age 33 like Ovi

 

[seventieslord]

I would imagine losing the head to head match would involve getting scored on more than you scored no? Did he outscore them as much as you’d an expect an elite talent to? Obviously not, but losing to these guys would suggest they outscored you which I don’t think is the case.

He can be not good enough against worse players without needing to invent NuFacts that never actually happened.

I'd say expectations come into play at some point. If you outscore Philip Danault by a single goal over 7 games, I guess technically you "won" that matchup, but, did ya really?

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Even if you could trade Matthews, would you re-sign Marner?

that's tough.

I would have traded him long ago.

He didnt live up to his last deal, IMO.

If the goal is the cup, I think he's shown he's not capable of elite playoff hockey.

I'm doubling down on Stolarz and Knies and I'd be loading up on D.

 

[Martin Skoula]

I'd say expectations come into play at some point. If you outscore Philip Danault by a single goal over 7 games, I guess technically you "won" that matchup, but, did ya really?

So if Barkov only outscores Matthews by a single goal over 7 games, by the transitive property does Danualt technically almost win against Sasha?

 

[seventieslord]

So if Barkov only outscores Matthews by a single goal over 7 games, by the transitive property does Danualt technically almost win against Sasha?

Not sure I follow.

 

[ULF_55]

I would imagine losing the head to head match would involve getting scored on more than you scored no? Did he outscore them as much as you’d an expect an elite talent to? Obviously not, but losing to these guys would suggest they outscored you which I don’t think is the case.

He can be not good enough against worse players without needing to invent NuFacts that never actually happened.

Jumping into the middle, but I'd say that might be irrelevant.

Say you get blown out by 6-1 in 2 games, but win the series by winning games that aren't blow outs.

Use an extreme example.

Win 4 games, lose 2 games.

Wins 1-0, 1-0, 1-0, 1-0
Lose 6-1, 6-1

Player X:
8 goals against.
4 game winners.
-4.

Yes, an unlikely extreme but things could be similar without being extreme.

You can be scored on more than you score, but without details does it mean anything?

 

[Martin Skoula]

Jumping into the middle, but I'd say that might be irrelevant.

Say you get blown out by 6-1 in 2 games, but win the series by winning games that aren't blow outs.

Use an extreme example.

Win 4 games, lose 2 games.

Wins 1-0, 1-0, 1-0, 1-0
Lose 6-1, 6-1

Player X:
8 goals against.
4 game winners.
-4.

Yes, an unlikely extreme but things could be similar without being extreme.

You can be scored on more than you score, but without details does it mean anything?

I remember Danault barely holding on, the Matthews line throwing a ton of pucks on net, Price being Price, and Weber and Edmundson chopping wrists on anyone so much as looking at a rebound.

How that translates to Danault beating Matthews head to head I don’t quite understand but apparently that’s what happened, and I’m concerned for Florida’s chances against Edmonton if their top guys went roughly neutral against a worse version of Danault through 7 games.