Will the Jets win another playoff game this season?

[GJF]

Who knows what happends, I am not losing sleep about it. As @ps241 mentioned a couple of times over the last year or so: I learned not to define my own mood and life about sport results. I moved away from wanting a final result, the big thing, instead of actually prefering that the journey is the price and not necerssarily the trophy. At least as a fan. It makes life a lot more enjoyable.

Btw - same goes for "arguing with people that have 0 effect on your actual life on random internet message boards"

 

[jungles]

Woke up this morning mostly feeling disappointed. The "it's just a hockey team, why let it affect your life" crowd discounts the investment (time, emotion, money) that we put into it I think.

Either way it's telling that some of even the most positive fans are contributing to the post mortem and the series is only 2-2.

The guys have two days to find another level of give a crap. Watching the 3rd goal again yesterday for example, yes Helle played it poorly, but there were 2 or 3 others on the ice that could have prevented it with a bit more heart.

 

[Xavier Laflamme]

Watching the 3rd goal again yesterday for example, yes Helle played it poorly, but there were 2 or 3 others on the ice that could have prevented it with a bit more heart.

That's because they had already checked out mentally after the second goal, you could see it on some of their faces and that shit spreads like wildfire because when one or two check out everyone else thinks screw it I might as well too. I honestly thought the Jets had overcome this behavior as they never displayed it during the regular season but I guess old habits die hard.

I have just accepted that it's now highly possible they lose 4 straight, if they manage to turn it around great but if not I won't be as disappointed by holding onto false hope.

 

[sipowicz]

Hard to think a team playing at .814 sv % is gonna win a game.

We get this all season and we would have every UFA, and some guys with term if it made sense. Top 3 pick in the draft etc.

This is not the same Jets hockey we saw for 82 games this season.

If they play this way, no. Won't win obviously.

Play to our identity. Yes, likely 2 in a row to cap it in 6.

It’s playoff hockey, the Blues step up and play it and the Jets play a regular season style which doesn’t work in the PO’s!

Undersized D, no second line C, no scoring from lines 2-4, non playoff netminder, wash rinse, repeat…..same as it ever was, letting the days go by….

 

[The Blue Baron]

It's quality of posts, not quantity. I've been on this forum for over 21 years. You have only been on here for less than 10. Yet, you have posted nearly 5 times more. Perhaps you need a hobby, or a girlfriend.

Perhaps you could use a permanent filter.
Enjoy your day.
Like your image, The Hip rule.

 

[sipowicz]

Stick a fork in them. The Jets are done.

Hellebuyck is a LOSER. He is a choke artist, and no matter how good he plays in the regular season, he can't win anything. The defense also sucks. Let's face it, we drove Paul Maurice out of Winnipeg, and now we are living to regret it. This team has no heart, they will get slaughtered in their next two games, and bow out like the imposters that they are.

I owe @White Out 902 an apology for calling him out in regards to Helle. He was right. .

I’m not giving up on Helly yet, still has two games at least to redeem himself!

 

[The Blue Baron]

That's because they had already checked out mentally after the second goal, you could see it on some of their faces and that shit spreads like wildfire because when one or two check out everyone else thinks screw it I might as well too. I honestly thought the Jets had overcome this behavior as they never displayed it during the regular season but I guess old habits die hard.

I have just accepted that it's now highly possible they lose 4 straight, if they manage to turn it around great but if not I won't be as disappointed by holding onto false hope.

Yup, I’m feeling the same way.
If the they win, fantastic, if continue to bumble and stumble I have other fun things to focus in on.

 

[GJF]

I’m not giving up on Helly yet, still has two games at least to redeem himself!

Weirdly positive, buddy. Any life altering happenings we should know about?

 

[scelaton]

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This time needs a sports psychologist like badly... very, very badly.

As soon as things don't go as planned, they fall into panic mode. Things were all right for the first two games, we even saw some nice push back in the second game when they were down going into the third. Nothing to be scared about, they've done it many times this year. Start dominating the game and eventually score and so they did.

Game 3 was the start of a different scenario of course. In St. Louis, things were bound to be different and oh boy were they different. The Blues came out straight up running over the Jets as they absolutely had to. It was "now or never"-mode activated for them and it worked and they took off and eventually took the game comfortably. Sure, it sucks that your team doesn't show some real push back but the playoffs are long... even a single series can be very long. I understand, wether I liked seeing it or not, that they accepted their defeat and let the 7 goals against beating happen. On paper, it's not a big deal... but it was a big deal. Because what happens on the ice, on the way to the locker room, in the locker room and in their heads after the game when they go to their hotel rooms and into their beds is, at least for this team, basically just as important than what happend on paper being a win or a loss. This team is very, very fragile mentally. We've seen it before, we've seen it many times actually.

So at some point this started to affect Hellebuyck - this is how I see it. Because Hellebuyck used to be a decent to good playoff goaltender. Remember our Conference Finals run or the bubble playoff season. Back then, he didn't look shaky, uncomfortable, bad body language and apparently no self confidence. It grew over time. I think it grew with the mental weakness of the core of this team.

By now, it has fully caught up with him. He looked okay to good in the first two playoff games, because the entire team looked decent to good. There was no reason for mental collapsing - things went well. Not perfect, but perfection obviously isn't what you expect and/or looking for in the playoffs anyway. And THIS needs to be adressed and Hellebuyck needs to accept that blame. His job is not to get affected by it. His job is to balance out the team losing its composure. It's what people mean when they say "he can't make a safe when the team needs him" - in most cases, when this is said, people mean "timely" saves like you're up 2-1 with 1 minute to go before the end of the second and the enemy gets a breakaway which your goalie stops nicely and you go into the third period with a 2-1 lead instead of a 2-2 tie. Big for the dynamics of the game. But right now, this isn't about making the "timely saves", it is about making saves that gives your team confidence. Saves that pushes them away of the edge of panicing. Even worse, he takes part in creating that amount of panic in his jittery play. If you're supposed to be the best goaltender in the league, this is not acceptable.

No, not every goal he gave up over these two games was even saveable. Some of them were deflacting, some of them had him screened. Those are tough saves to make and you can't expect him to make all of them. This is not what we're talking about. I don't think there would be much of an discussion anyway if that would be the case. The problem is way, way bigger - the entire product Connor Hellebuyck right now is not only broken, it is part of the problem. That goal against yesterday, when Morrissey screened him, was really, really, really bad. Not because he gave up that goal but becuse of the 10 seconds after it. He 100% showed "I am blaming you for this goal, Josh. See guys, this is the problem. This is why you make me suck here" - even if he's right about it, and you know what, he might at least partially be right about it: YOU CAN NOT DO THAT! Not if you consider yourself the best goaltender in the league, a multiple times Vezina trophy winner that is even in Hart consideration. That is awful professionalism and I start to think Connor Hellebuyck might be a bad professional. Not in working hard, mastering his skills - but in turning into a sour grape when things don't got as wished which might even be the more important part of this role on the ice - even bigger than being a great goaltender in pure puck stopping. THIS PART is exactly why playoff goaltending numbers don't necesseraly translate from regular season into the playoffs. It is why you might be off with a middle of the pack goaltender that is a 110% team player first and a "star goaltender" second. It's the reason why Marc-Andre Fleury for example has still put up decent playoff goaltending numbers over the last 5-6 years, even when he wasn't even a bonafide starter anymore. Because the team in front of you will f***ing die for him if needed. He's the anti Hellebuyck in that regard.

So how can you work on this? I don't see any other way than getting a sports psychologist in there. I assume hockey is like the worst sport ever to integrate sports psychologists because of borderline toxic masculanity in like "HAHA THEY HAVE A PSYCHO DOC BECAUSE THEY ARE Pejorative SlurS" will be the trash talk on the ice? I don't know. But I am sure it would do wonders for this team - but especially for Connor Hellebuyck. And I start to thing it might be the only chance for him turning his career around in regards to fighting and beating the "Playoff-Choker-Buyck"-image.




Other than that I am not very confident anymore in the Jets winning this series. But hockey and especially playoff hockey is weird and I would also not be surprised if we see a very similar game in game 5 to what we've seen in the first two games with the Jets winning it and suddenly things look very different again. Who knows what happends, I am not losing sleep about it. As @ps241 mentioned a couple of times over the last year or so: I learned not to define my own mood and life about sport results. I moved away from wanting a final result, the big thing, instead of actually prefering that the journey is the price and not necerssarily the trophy. At least as a fan. It makes life a lot more enjoyable.

The Jets have a psychologist and a psychiatrist at every home game and I believe the psychologist is traveling with the team during the playoffs. They are very attuned to the mental health part of the game.

Right now it's the HFJ fan base that needs the sports psychologist because this board is having a full blown PTSD meltdown after 2 poor games, with the series tied coming home.

 

[The Blue Baron]

It’s playoff hockey, the Blues step up and play it and the Jets play a regular season style which doesn’t work in the PO’s!

Undersized D, no second line C, no scoring from lines 2-4, non playoff netminder, wash rinse, repeat…..same as it ever was, letting the days go by….

You have to wonder how many times is Chevy gonna run it back with the same crew/philosophy?

It is remarkable how similar the last number of years have been to date.

 

[GJF]

The Jets have a psychologist and a psychiatrist at every home game and I believe the psychologist is traveling with the team during the playoffs. They are very attuned to the mental health part of the game.

Right now it's the HFJ fan base that needs the sports psychologist because this board is having a full blown PTSD meltdown after 2 poor games, with the series tied coming home.

I didn't know that. thanks for the info! good to know. They must work extra hours right now on Helle....

 

[sipowicz]

Weirdly positive, buddy. Any life altering happenings we should know about?

Oh don't worry, if Helly craps the crease for the next two he moves to the top of my Sip list.

 

[cbcwpg]

All right, after I had time to settle things, let's try to talk about what is going on here:


This time needs a sports psychologist like badly... very, very badly.

As soon as things don't go as planned, they fall into panic mode. Things were all right for the first two games, we even saw some nice push back in the second game when they were down going into the third. Nothing to be scared about, they've done it many times this year. Start dominating the game and eventually score and so they did.

Game 3 was the start of a different scenario of course. In St. Louis, things were bound to be different and oh boy were they different. The Blues came out straight up running over the Jets as they absolutely had to. It was "now or never"-mode activated for them and it worked and they took off and eventually took the game comfortably. Sure, it sucks that your team doesn't show some real push back but the playoffs are long... even a single series can be very long. I understand, wether I liked seeing it or not, that they accepted their defeat and let the 7 goals against beating happen. On paper, it's not a big deal... but it was a big deal. Because what happens on the ice, on the way to the locker room, in the locker room and in their heads after the game when they go to their hotel rooms and into their beds is, at least for this team, basically just as important than what happend on paper being a win or a loss. This team is very, very fragile mentally. We've seen it before, we've seen it many times actually.

So at some point this started to affect Hellebuyck - this is how I see it. Because Hellebuyck used to be a decent to good playoff goaltender. Remember our Conference Finals run or the bubble playoff season. Back then, he didn't look shaky, uncomfortable, bad body language and apparently no self confidence. It grew over time. I think it grew with the mental weakness of the core of this team.

By now, it has fully caught up with him. He looked okay to good in the first two playoff games, because the entire team looked decent to good. There was no reason for mental collapsing - things went well. Not perfect, but perfection obviously isn't what you expect and/or looking for in the playoffs anyway. And THIS needs to be adressed and Hellebuyck needs to accept that blame. His job is not to get affected by it. His job is to balance out the team losing its composure. It's what people mean when they say "he can't make a safe when the team needs him" - in most cases, when this is said, people mean "timely" saves like you're up 2-1 with 1 minute to go before the end of the second and the enemy gets a breakaway which your goalie stops nicely and you go into the third period with a 2-1 lead instead of a 2-2 tie. Big for the dynamics of the game. But right now, this isn't about making the "timely saves", it is about making saves that gives your team confidence. Saves that pushes them away of the edge of panicing. Even worse, he takes part in creating that amount of panic in his jittery play. If you're supposed to be the best goaltender in the league, this is not acceptable.

No, not every goal he gave up over these two games was even saveable. Some of them were deflacting, some of them had him screened. Those are tough saves to make and you can't expect him to make all of them. This is not what we're talking about. I don't think there would be much of an discussion anyway if that would be the case. The problem is way, way bigger - the entire product Connor Hellebuyck right now is not only broken, it is part of the problem. That goal against yesterday, when Morrissey screened him, was really, really, really bad. Not because he gave up that goal but becuse of the 10 seconds after it. He 100% showed "I am blaming you for this goal, Josh. See guys, this is the problem. This is why you make me suck here" - even if he's right about it, and you know what, he might at least partially be right about it: YOU CAN NOT DO THAT! Not if you consider yourself the best goaltender in the league, a multiple times Vezina trophy winner that is even in Hart consideration. That is awful professionalism and I start to think Connor Hellebuyck might be a bad professional. Not in working hard, mastering his skills - but in turning into a sour grape when things don't got as wished which might even be the more important part of this role on the ice - even bigger than being a great goaltender in pure puck stopping. THIS PART is exactly why playoff goaltending numbers don't necesseraly translate from regular season into the playoffs. It is why you might be off with a middle of the pack goaltender that is a 110% team player first and a "star goaltender" second. It's the reason why Marc-Andre Fleury for example has still put up decent playoff goaltending numbers over the last 5-6 years, even when he wasn't even a bonafide starter anymore. Because the team in front of you will f***ing die for him if needed. He's the anti Hellebuyck in that regard.

So how can you work on this? I don't see any other way than getting a sports psychologist in there. I assume hockey is like the worst sport ever to integrate sports psychologists because of borderline toxic masculanity in like "HAHA THEY HAVE A PSYCHO DOC BECAUSE THEY ARE Pejorative SlurS" will be the trash talk on the ice? I don't know. But I am sure it would do wonders for this team - but especially for Connor Hellebuyck. And I start to thing it might be the only chance for him turning his career around in regards to fighting and beating the "Playoff-Choker-Buyck"-image.




Other than that I am not very confident anymore in the Jets winning this series. But hockey and especially playoff hockey is weird and I would also not be surprised if we see a very similar game in game 5 to what we've seen in the first two games with the Jets winning it and suddenly things look very different again. Who knows what happends, I am not losing sleep about it. As @ps241 mentioned a couple of times over the last year or so: I learned not to define my own mood and life about sport results. I moved away from wanting a final result, the big thing, instead of actually prefering that the journey is the price and not necerssarily the trophy. At least as a fan. It makes life a lot more enjoyable.

I like this post... but if you want to use less words:

Helly's sports mantra....

- When the team wins, I'm the reason we won
- When the team loses, it's everyone else's fault

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

Against all of my better judgement and gut instincts, I see the Jets winning Game 5 at home.

 

[The Blue Baron]

Against all of my better judgement and gut instincts, I see the Jets winning Game 5 at home.

Same here. Plus I’ll be in attendance, so yah a win.

 

[AmericanDream]

Don't worry y'all....it is time for me to help rally you boys back to the promised land! Tomorrow...we feast!!!

 

[Eyeseeing]

When we get destroyed at home, what then?

None of us is happy about this, but the series is tied.
Fans don’t bail on the team, criticism is valid but to always be preaching doom and gloom.
Where’s the profit in that?
Hockey is chaos and momentum swings.
We need secondary scoring badly.
I’m looking forward to Wednesday night’s game

 

[Bladerunner62]

When we get destroyed at home, what then?

Dude, do us all a favor and go cheer for another team. You're the last person that should have Jets4life as their handle.

 

[Jets4Life]

Dude, do us all a favor and go cheer for another team. You're the last person that should have Jets4life as their handle.

I'm not going anywhere, but thanks. If some cannot handle negative posts, maybe it's time to follow another sport At least I don't go around claiming I've been here for multiple years, and refuse to post since the quality of conversion is the same (or worse) than Twitter/X.

What is depressing, is of the whopping 62 posts you have come up with, the vast majority are negative. Maybe it's you who should leave this forum, and never return. You add nothing here. I did not see one post that is not engaged in fighting with others, or just being negative in general about NHLers.

Having said that, if Arniel can't motivate the Jets past the Blues he has got to go in the offseason.

 

[The Blue Baron]

I'm not going anywhere, but thanks. If some cannot handle negative posts, maybe it's time to follow another sport At least I don't go around claiming I've been here for multiple years, and refuse to post since the quality of conversion is the same (or worse) than Twitter/X.

What is depressing, is of the whopping 62 posts you have come up with, the vast majority are negative. Maybe it's you who should leave this forum, and never return. You add nothing here. I did not see one post that is not engaged in fighting with others, or just being negative in general about NHLers.

Having said that, if Arniel can't motivate the Jets past the Blues he has got to go in the offseason.

 

[roccerfeller]

Having said that, if Arniel can't motivate the Jets past the Blues he has got to go in the offseason.

He won’t go. He won the presidents trophy.

We have the core we have. At some point, a fourth coach with this core group can’t be the scapegoat. Maurice has gone deep and won a cup. Lowry & Bones have had deep runs and seen the gamut of good and bad teams. Arniel has had deep playoff runs as a head coach in the A, he’s also been part of winning groups and now he’s a presidents trophy winner for a franchise that never won this title.

Arniel has been a great coach this year I think. He also had a good game plan for game 4. But the players did not execute. That’s not on him. I think any coach capable of leading a team to a presidents trophy is a solid coach. But the group of players is important too. Look at what Maurice has done with a fully playoff capable team.

It may just be the core that might need a shake up or something. Or we just keep aiming for playoffs and hope one of them everything just clicks like it did in 2018 and things go the right way for a deep run again.


Let’s see what happens after this series.

You have put your flag down that the blues take it in 6, which may happen. Myself I think the real Jets show up in game 5.

Even if we lose tomorrow, the series isn’t over until it’s over. If we win, same thing. If we win, blues can easily win game 6 and then it’s a last game takes all situation.



Once it’s over, we can appropriately critique. The inference from a Jets series win is and criticizing the group will be different from another 4 game sweep in the post season. So the wise thing would be to wait until the end of the entire series as opposed to boldly proclaiming a loss (which may very well end up happening, but hasn’t happened yet). Look at Ottawa storming back. The momentum swings in Avs vs Stars or Oilers vs Kings.

Anything can happen. That’s the playoffs. All the teams in it earned their spot and it’s up to the players to win, not on us. We suffer or cheer because we are emotionally attached to the team but it’s out of our control what happens on ice.

As fans, all we can do is cheer on the team we choose to. Detach from the outcome a bit and you’ll be better off from it once the emotions wash over.

 

[JetsFan815]

Stick a fork in them. The Jets are done.

Hellebuyck is a LOSER. He is a choke artist, and no matter how good he plays in the regular season, he can't win anything. The defense also sucks. Let's face it, we drove Paul Maurice out of Winnipeg, and now we are living to regret it. This team has no heart, they will get slaughtered in their next two games, and bow out like the imposters that they are.

I owe @White Out 902 an apology for calling him out in regards to Helle. He was right. .

I was wondering where @White Out 902 is... thought he would be in I told you so mode, did he get banned?

 

[Bladerunner62]

I'm not going anywhere, but thanks. If some cannot handle negative posts, maybe it's time to follow another sport At least I don't go around claiming I've been here for multiple years, and refuse to post since the quality of conversion is the same (or worse) than Twitter/X.

What is depressing, is of the whopping 62 posts you have come up with, the vast majority are negative. Maybe it's you who should leave this forum, and never return. You add nothing here. I did not see one post that is not engaged in fighting with others, or just being negative in general about NHLers.

Having said that, if Arniel can't motivate the Jets past the Blues he has got to go in the offseason.

Glad you took the time in your busy day to check out my post. No, I don't post here very often, just when I see something ridiculous, the sky is falling, or like something and agree with it. Didn't know I needed to "bring something" in order to post. Sorry to get your neck hairs up. Now back you your regular negative day! Enjoy. Oh, and this is post # 63, just so you don't need to look.

 

[Eyeseeing]

Oh don't worry, if Helly craps the crease for the next two he moves to the top of my Sip list.

SHip list

 

[flin flon bombers]

Jets won by 1 goal at home in each game,plus an empty netter,jets lost by 5 and 4 goals on the road,that is a huge swing with the 3 days rest favoring st lou because of the heavy hitting and work ethic they put out,tonight is judgment day and I'm not sure what to expect,,the last 2 years or a new way going forward.