Player Discussion Will Slafkovsky better last years stats

[malcb33]

Because you are making it a blanket statement when it isn't one.

Players develop best when they face the appropriate level of competition. As the more knowledgeable posters explained in different Slafkovski threads where they were silenced by the popular posters collecting likes making baseless claims, this is backed by years of studies in athlete development and the benefits of meaningful competition in youth performance.

For some players, the NHL will be appropriate, for others it won't. Slafkovsky was clearly in over his head at the time. I guess to a majority of posters, it was sexier to imagine this guy was going to become the next Jagr roaming aimlessly on NHL ice.

Now, his development has been stunted because he was rushed. A Jeff Gorton well-known specialty.

I agree with this. I will add that #1OV picks have a precedent of being pushed into the NHL, ready or not. IMO Slaf was physically capable of playing in the NHL, but not mentally able to process the speed of the game.

 

[ReHabs]

Because you are making it a blanket statement when it isn't one.

Players develop best when they face the appropriate level of competition. As the more knowledgeable posters explained in different Slafkovski threads where they were silenced by the popular posters collecting likes making baseless claims, this is backed by years of studies in athlete development and the benefits of meaningful competition in youth performance.

For some players, the NHL will be appropriate, for others it won't. Slafkovsky was clearly in over his head at the time. I guess to a majority of posters, it was sexier to imagine this guy was going to become the next Jagr roaming aimlessly on NHL ice.

Now, his development has been stunted because he was rushed. A Jeff Gorton well-known specialty.

Didn't ya know you only learn to be an NHL player by playing in the NHL?

I read that retort a whole lot

 

[Frank Drebin]

Because you are making it a blanket statement when it isn't one.

Players develop best when they face the appropriate level of competition. As the more knowledgeable posters explained in different Slafkovski threads where they were silenced by the popular posters collecting likes making baseless claims, this is backed by years of studies in athlete development and the benefits of meaningful competition in youth performance.

For some players, the NHL will be appropriate, for others it won't. Slafkovsky was clearly in over his head at the time. I guess to a majority of posters, it was sexier to imagine this guy was going to become the next Jagr roaming aimlessly on NHL ice.

Now, his development has been stunted because he was rushed. A Jeff Gorton well-known specialty.

Just say “in my opinion” rather than trying to pass horse shit off as fact

“More knowledgeable posters “ gtfo

 

[Frank Drebin]

Owen powers took a year to cook in college, still sucks
The player largely is who he is when drafted and development post draft is a theory that is applied when it’s suitable and ignored when it isn’t

Michkov isn’t being ruined in philly, he’s a player that was drafted with flaws.

 

[Pomee]

Sorry, what?

I don't think you realize just how dominant Demidov has been as a first year rookie in the KHL in comparison historically in that league, which is the 2nd best hockey league in the world.

He is 0.84 PPG right now.

Kaprizov was highest at 0.86 in 2016-2017 in his rookie season (gold standard).

Michkov was 0.74 PPG in his KHL rookie season.

By all accounts, he is going to blow Slafkovsky aka Mr. stand in front of the net on the PP, out of the water, in terms of offensive firepower.

Sorry WHAT?

Are you even watching KHL?
Because I do and its not the same KHL like it was 3 years ago!

KHL scoring leader is fricking Josh Leivo with 62 points in 46 games!
Demidov is 14th with 42 points in 50 games!

The quality of the KHL players Demidov play against is lower than the AHL or even SHL players!
So even though Ivan is promising talented player, there is no evidence he will be that dominant in the NHL or even AHL, yet!

So please, stop with that "God" BS!
Lets wait when he shows, what he can do against the best players in the world, not the third rate ones!

 

[Artaud]

Yeah,

Only over 83% of NHL players begin their careers in the AHL..

What is even the point. They should just go straight to the NHL.

If you narrow down your analysis to forwards, and then impact forwards, you'll find that only a minority of them went played a significant amount of games in the AHL.

The AHL is mostly for goalies, defensemens (to an extent) and bottom 6 forwards.

 

[OldCraig71]

Owen powers took a year to cook in college, still sucks
The player largely is who he is when drafted and development post draft is a theory that is applied when it’s suitable and ignored when it isn’t

Michkov isn’t being ruined in philly, he’s a player that was drafted with flaws.

Not that I'm disagreeing with you but it does take longer for some players to become what they were projected to be. There are current NHL stars who didn't become PPG players until 200-300 games in the league. Sometimes it takes longer to get there, even after a change in scenery. Demidov is looking like a homerun pick for us but he might need a couple of seasons to hit his stride.

So many top picks end up on teams that are near the bottom of the league don't have the luxury of being insulated and are trying to play top-line minutes on bad teams. Their flaws/inexperience is on display and it takes time to overcome it.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Not that I'm disagreeing with you but it does take longer for some players to become what they were projected to be. There are current NHL stars who didn't become PPG players until 200-300 games in the league. Sometimes it takes longer to get there, even after a change in scenery. Demidov is looking like a homerun pick for us but he might need a couple of seasons to hit his stride.

So many top picks end up on teams that are near the bottom of the league don't have the luxury of being insulated and are trying to play top-line minutes on bad teams. Their flaws/inexperience is on display and it takes time to overcome it.

I agree it takes players different timelines to develop. I just do not buy the notion that players can be ruined by rushed development, ie making them play in a league where they are not the best player on the ice at any given time. They don't lose the talent/offensive creativity that they were born with. Just like you cannot coach that into a player you cannot coach that out of a player.

Confidence is huge, and a young player playing in the NHL will go through lower lows than they would playing in an inferior league, but ultimately they will develop into the player they were always going to develop into.

The only time I would say rushed development could hurt a player is if they were clearly not physically or mentally ready to handle an NHL schedule, and suffered a career altering injury or off ice habit during those years.

If you narrow down your analysis to forwards, and then impact forwards, you'll find that only a minority of them went played a significant amount of games in the AHL.

The AHL is mostly for goalies, defensemens (to an extent) and bottom 6 forwards.

Players that are essentially not good enough to be regular nhlers. Either yet, or ever.

 

[ReHabs]

I agree it takes players different timelines to develop. I just do not buy the notion that players can be ruined by rushed development, ie making them play in a league where they are not the best player on the ice at any given time. They don't lose the talent/offensive creativity that they were born with. Just like you cannot coach that into a player you cannot coach that out of a player.

Confidence is huge, and a young player playing in the NHL will go through lower lows than they would playing in an inferior league, but ultimately they will develop into the player they were always going to develop into.

The only time I would say rushed development could hurt a player is if they were clearly not physically or mentally ready to handle an NHL schedule, and suffered a career altering injury or off ice habit during those years.


Players that are essentially not good enough to be regular nhlers. Either yet, or ever.

This is a never ending debate cycle because no one can prove it one way or the other.

I’ll say Slaf wasn’t ready for the NHL because he wasn’t particularly too good for Liiga. He simply was not.

With that said, Hughes and the Habs constantly spoke about Slaf like he’s a project. This carries over with how they planned his development, which basically seemed like getting thrown in the deep end but purposefully.

Discounting off-ice issues and the long term impact of the hits and injuries Slaf has picked up in the past few years (for which we have no evidence), we will know whether the Habs were right about this approach or if Slafkovsky was the right guy by tracking his progression. Therefore, when he looks like he’s not progressing… questions can and should be asked.

I dunno if the AHL was the right place for him as a rookie but whatever he showed in the second half of last season he needs to quickly tap into and show again. Next year, with his salary on the books, commentators will not be quite as forgiving of a young player who coasts and doesn’t implicate himself regularly.

 

[ReHabs]

If you narrow down your analysis to forwards, and then impact forwards, you'll find that only a minority of them went played a significant amount of games in the AHL.

The AHL is mostly for goalies, defensemens (to an extent) and bottom 6 forwards.

There are only a small amount of impact forwards in general. Most top players were top prospects who had proven to have outgrown their league before joining the NHL, but famously, Slafkovsky’s Liiga stats didn’t matter.