Will Jonathan Quick Make the Hhof

[NVious]

Easily, there is no conversation to be had against him.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I'm not sure whats more ridiculous... that this is even a question, or your description of his resume.

He has 3 cups, 1 Conn Smythe, and 2 Jennings. Unfortunately no Vezina which he was robbed of in 2012.

After Bob and Vasi, I have a very hard time finding an active goalie with a better case for the HOF.

It's a joke to say he got robbed in 2012. Playing behind an offense that wasn't great is not in any part of the description of what a Vezina should be. Maybe if we were talking about the Hart. But Lundqvist's numbers were virtually identical. And frankly the Kings defense was better. I believe the moves made at the trade deadline that won them the cup were largely on the offensive side. So this was the same defense that wiped the floor with every opponent in the playoffs. If you want to make the case for Quick, fine. But it's utter homer nonsense that Quick got robbed.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

Easily, there is no conversation to be had against him.

Gerry Cheevers, that's the argument against him. His accomplishment list and case is the same as the man who's generally accepted as one of the worst admissions ever

 

[NVious]

Gerry Cheevers, that's the argument against him. His accomplishment list and case is the same as the man who's generally accepted as one of the worst admissions ever

Cheevers has 227 wins
Quick has 402 wins

Cheevers has 0 Conn Smythes
Quick has 1 Conn Smythe

Cheevers won 2 cups in a 6 team league
Quick won 2 cups in a 30 team league

For goalies that have played more than 14 games in the playoffs Quick has the highest save percentage in NHL history (946)

Cheevers played 11 years and over 50 games once
Quick has played 17 years, over 70 games twice, over 60 games 4 times

Cheevers isn't sniffing Quick's jock strap in terms of accomplishments.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

Those trophy nonsense is such a bull argument and you read it everytime here.

If you are the best in the playoffs but do not win, than you dont win the Conn Smythe unless you play like Jesus Christ himself like JS Giguere.

One superb season in a year when by accident two players are superb, you might not win the Hart or Norris whatever.

In the end a player might end up with nothing at all. The Conn Smythe in 2012 should have been Doughty’s anyway. The Kings defense was too good to be true.

 

[iBlameGriff]

I'm not sure whats more ridiculous... that this is even a question, or your description of his resume.

He has 3 cups, 1 Conn Smythe, and 2 Jennings. Unfortunately no Vezina which he was robbed of in 2012.

After Bob and Vasi, I have a very hard time finding an active goalie with a better case for the HOF.

Hellebuyck.

 

[Ghetty Green]

Saying he was “robbed” in 2012 when Lundqvist had a higher SV% and more wins is kind of insane.

Rangers fans always salty

 

[Regal]

Rangers fans always salty

Why would the person responding to someone making an exaggerated complaint be the salty one and not the one making it?

 

[Ghetty Green]

Why would the person responding to someone making an exaggerated complaint be the salty one and not the one making it?

Why you so salty ?

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

He's got a Conn Smythe, two Jennings, and he's one of only 15 goalies with 400+ wins? Yeah I'd say he's gonna get in.

 

[Boreal01]

If Vernon is the new bar to clear then Quick will be a first ballot, same with Fleury and Price

 

[Scottkmlps]

Easily makes it in.

 

[Fataldogg]

I'm not sure whats more ridiculous... that this is even a question, or your description of his resume.

He has 3 cups, 1 Conn Smythe, and 2 Jennings. Unfortunately no Vezina which he was robbed of in 2012.

After Bob and Vasi, I have a very hard time finding an active goalie with a better case for the HOF.

Lundqvist didn't rob anyone in 2012. He was the best goalie in the NHL. Quick was a close 2nd.

 

[GlitchMarner]

If Vernon is a HOFer, I don't see how Quick isn't.

 

[bambamcam4ever]

Quick had the better GAA, Quick played more games, and their SV% difference (.001) is as negligible as you can get. Hank having more wins in fewer games shows the Rags were a better regular season team than the Kings, which is where the award is voted

The Rangers of that time period really weren't that good, they were overachievers.

 

[Video Nasty]

Easily. Having more wins, more Cups, and more Vezinas doesn’t make someone like Fleury a better netminder than Quick. Assuming he gets in with ease, Quick certainly should.

 

[JKG33]

The Rangers of that time period really weren't that good, they were overachievers.

The Rangers, for the majority of the regular season, were a better team than the Kings

 

[bambamcam4ever]

The Rangers, for the majority of the regular season, were a better team than the Kings

They had a better record. The Kings had a better roster

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I posted this in the 'other' thread but I think it applies here too

I think the thing is

For a guy who people have spent his whole career tearing down his regular season performances

He has pretty much the exact same reg season #s as Fleury, who everyone wants to consider a lock

AND despite all that, he's the winningest american goalie of all time with the shutout record...he's likely to finish top 15 in goalie games played and has better #s in all statistical categories than almost anyone ahead of him

He's a more unique case than many of those guys but I think you have to argue him out rather than argue him in and the only argument is bawww a few bad regular seasons (of which several were coming off major surgeries, the guy won a cup requiring back surgery bad enough that he was laying down in the aisle on flights).

There's an easy argument that his save % #s are artificially deflated too but we have seen over the years people are too dug in to have that conversation honestly. I just think in the end there's narrative on his side as well and no one who has had to face him in the playoffs will suggest he's anything but a future HoFer.

If Quick spends his entire career in a spotlight market rather than LA this isn't even a discussion

 

[Mobiandi]

Should easily get in. Resume is there in terms of personal and career achievements and he had a strong first 10 years in the league.

There are worse goalies in (and going in) and better goalies out. So who knows whether he’s a first ballot guy

 

[Jumptheshark]

Mike Vernon is in so Quick will get in

 

[kingsholygrail]

I posted this in the 'other' thread but I think it applies here too

I think the thing is

For a guy who people have spent his whole career tearing down his regular season performances

He has pretty much the exact same reg season #s as Fleury, who everyone wants to consider a lock

AND despite all that, he's the winningest american goalie of all time with the shutout record...he's likely to finish top 15 in goalie games played and has better #s in all statistical categories than almost anyone ahead of him

He's a more unique case than many of those guys but I think you have to argue him out rather than argue him in and the only argument is bawww a few bad regular seasons (of which several were coming off major surgeries, the guy won a cup requiring back surgery bad enough that he was laying down in the aisle on flights).

There's an easy argument that his save % #s are artificially deflated too but we have seen over the years people are too dug in to have that conversation honestly. I just think in the end there's narrative on his side as well and no one who has had to face him in the playoffs will suggest he's anything but a future HoFer.

If Quick spends his entire career in a spotlight market rather than LA this isn't even a discussion

You could also argue that his post to post action became something that newer goalies emulated and he had his own mark on how the position is played.

 

[Victorias]

Oh lol. He probably should get in for his peak, but he doesn't have near the longevity of the others mentioned.

I don’t necessarily have a problem with Quick getting in, but I wouldn’t say TT lacked longevity or at least punish him for it.

He retired at 39 and it took him until 32 to become a #1 because he was overlooked for years due to his size and style. Meanwhile, Quick played a lot more games but was a significantly below average goalie from age 33 on (246 GP, .898 S%, -52.6 GSAA!)

TT was a 2x Vezina winner compared with a 1x finalist for JQ. Both had phenomenal Smythe runs and Quick won a second Cup despite playing average (or below average). Of course, Fleury was no better in his Cup wins.

Ultimately, I don’t give Quick (or Fleury or anyone else) credit for posting multiple mediocre seasons after their prime. If JQ is a HOFer TT certainly should be too.

 

[Victorias]

I posted this in the 'other' thread but I think it applies here too

I think the thing is

For a guy who people have spent his whole career tearing down his regular season performances

He has pretty much the exact same reg season #s as Fleury, who everyone wants to consider a lock

AND despite all that, he's the winningest american goalie of all time with the shutout record...he's likely to finish top 15 in goalie games played and has better #s in all statistical categories than almost anyone ahead of him

He's a more unique case than many of those guys but I think you have to argue him out rather than argue him in and the only argument is bawww a few bad regular seasons (of which several were coming off major surgeries, the guy won a cup requiring back surgery bad enough that he was laying down in the aisle on flights).

There's an easy argument that his save % #s are artificially deflated too but we have seen over the years people are too dug in to have that conversation honestly. I just think in the end there's narrative on his side as well and no one who has had to face him in the playoffs will suggest he's anything but a future HoFer.

If Quick spends his entire career in a spotlight market rather than LA this isn't even a discussion

I get the East Coast bias, but LA is still a spotlight market. Definitely top 10.

 

[JKG33]

I don’t necessarily have a problem with Quick getting in, but I wouldn’t say TT lacked longevity or at least punish him for it.

He retired at 39 and it took him until 32 to become a #1 because he was overlooked for years due to his size and style. Meanwhile, Quick played a lot more games but was a significantly below average goalie from age 33 on (246 GP, .898 S%, -52.6 GSAA!)

TT was a 2x Vezina winner compared with a 1x finalist for JQ. Both had phenomenal Smythe runs and Quick won a second Cup despite playing average (or below average). Of course, Fleury was no better in his Cup wins.

Ultimately, I don’t give Quick (or Fleury or anyone else) credit for posting multiple mediocre seasons after their prime. If JQ is a HOFer TT certainly should be too.

fwiw I think Thomas should be in as well, but comparing him bouncing around the minors/europe and at best an NHL backup before age 32 just ain't it. Quick was a starter for more seasons (14) than Thomas was in the league (8). That's significant.

I get the East Coast bias, but LA is still a spotlight market. Definitely top 10.

In terms of the leagues eyes sure. But in terms of media coverage? Absolutely not. They were basically the best team in hockey from 2012-2014 and the media didn't start taking them seriously until 2013.

Boston, Chicago, Detroit, Montreal, NY Rangers, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Toronto, Vancouver, Washington all get/got far more media attention.