BLONG7
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The players would never start their own league... if they did, they would then find out there is a major difference in signing cheques for all costs, instead of just cashing their cheques, at all costs...
Bicycle Repairman said:It's borne out by the example of scores of businesses who suffered long-term damage to the bottom-line by the buying public when they persued a stigmatic policy of scab labor.
Newsguyone said:20 years from now, people will hardly remember Goodenow's name.
I'm not blaming this on Bettman (not in this thread anyway).
I'm not stupid enough to suggest this about 1 person's ego. (Or even two people's ego)
This is about greed. On both sides.
My point is about responsibility.
Regardless of how you feel about Goodenow, this armegeddon, as it has been called, has happened on Bettman's watch
Newsguyone said:Now, it's a stretch, of course. But what if the NHL players were in the WHA or a new league?
Its effects will be felt long term for a league that is viewed as niche (at best) with a marginal imprint on the American sports consumer. A league that has consistently criticised its own product the last few years is not going to be viewed favorably in the future with a "scab" appellation prefaced to their brand name.Jovanovski = Norris said:The scab labor we are discussing is neither long-term nor stigmatic.
It is merely a short-term transition into fiscal balance..
Beatnik said:I don't understand the people who blame Goodenow and saying that the players are'nt important. If it was true there would be no problems.
The players would be paid almost nothing because the owner would have no reason to pay them well. If the owner gives those type of contract, it's because they know it brings people into the buildings.
Also those who don't care about the players should be able to appreciate any league as much as the NHL so they have no reason to hate Goodenow.
Bicycle Repairman said:It's borne out by the example of scores of businesses who suffered long-term damage to the bottom-line by the buying public when they persued a stigmatic policy of scab labor.
Thunderstruck said:How did replacement players turn out for the NFL?
Please explain, in detail, the damage done to their league by their use. (It shouldn't be too hard, they've been in shambles ever since )
Using your logic, junior teams, minor league teams, NCAA teams, and Euro teams should not have any fans at all because none of the leagues those teams play in can lay claim to being the best league in the world.Newsguyone said:If the NHL was filled with low-talent scrubs instead of the best players on earth, no one would care.
Well, few would care.
If the IHL suddenly had all the top players, Detroit fans would start rooting for the Vipers, or whoever was closest.
People watch the NHL because it is the best league going.
People wouldn't be excited about their favorite NHL team if the NHL was only the second or third best league in the NHL.
lol .... puck bunnies will go to all lengths to get their hockey player.Kaiped Krusader said:... but many will go on weekend roadtrips to drive all over the South to watch their "low-talent scrubs."
Who, other than you, is claiming it is a long term stategy for the NHL?Bicycle Repairman said:Was that a long term NFL strategy, though?
And the league got the best labour deal in pro sports, turning it into an unparalleled success story ever since.If I recall correctly, the NFLPA eventually won their free agency demands through the courts. Of course, this was after all the hoopla died down.
in fairness, do you believe that the NHL shares the same dynamics and synergies that a new CBA will suddenly see then on the same path and results as the NFL ?Thunderstruck said:And the league got the best labour deal in pro sports, turning it into an unparalled success story ever since.
I don't believe anyone can accurately predict all the outcomes of any deal. However, I do feel it will provide the opportunity for a healthier league.DR said:in fairness, do you believe that the NHL shares the same dynamics and synergies that a new CBA will suddenly see then on the same path and results as the NFL ?
It certainly is a contributing factor and IMO a fairly significant one.do you believe the NFL CBA is the primary reason for its success story ?
dr
i dont see it.Thunderstruck said:I don't believe anyone can accurately predict all the outcomes of any deal. However, I do feel it will provide the opportunity for a healthier league.
do you believe the NFL CBA is the primary reason for its success story ?
scaredsensfan said:What rational person would conclude that forced mediocrity is a good thing?
usiel said:The players AND the teams are important. However that being said if the NHL went to replacement players the NHLPA will not last long. Fans will come back to see hockey..they will be sos jonesing that "their" team is playing albeit with AHL vets and young players so attendance might be a little down, IMO.
If the players decided to negotiate some cost certainty they will get more now than they will next fall or whenever.
Thats what Im wondering.scaredsensfan said:What rational person would conclude that forced mediocrity is a good thing?
Dense...dense...have you looked at your avatar???scaredsensfan said:Are you dense? Not every team has the same players avaialbe at their disposal every season. All decisions are made based on cap-room and financial flexibility.
Nice try, though.
iagreewithidiots said:Thats what Im wondering.
Why would you want a league where some teams are forced into constant rebuilding.
Keep the current CBA and watch how many teams are forced into mediocrity.