Will Erik Karlsson win the Norris Trophy this season?
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The S5
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Just give the trophy to Adam Fox. He's the best overall D in the NHL.
I think he'll be a finalist at least. Still many games to go and many stellar D in the league
Adam Fox
Cale Makar
Roman Josi
Victor Hedman
Erik Karlsson
Any of those will have a good chance to win it still.
Interesting is, that over the last 10 years there's been 10 different winners, I dont think that's happened in history before.
Adam Fox
Cale Makar
Roman Josi
Victor Hedman
Erik Karlsson
Any of those will have a good chance to win it still.
Interesting is, that over the last 10 years there's been 10 different winners, I dont think that's happened in history before.
He have seperated himself and is around 10 points ahead of the competition in Makar, Fox and Dahlin. Not sure how much focus there will be on if he qulifies for the playoffs as San Jose most likely wont. Right now he is in the Hart race aswell.
Excluding Empty net points he is just one point behind McDavid. He is 5 points ahead of McDavid in Even strength points and he has points on 50% of the Sharks goals as a defenceman.
Right now if he keeps healthy he is the favourite. Hopefully he gets traded to a contender.
Excluding Empty net points he is just one point behind McDavid. He is 5 points ahead of McDavid in Even strength points and he has points on 50% of the Sharks goals as a defenceman.
Right now if he keeps healthy he is the favourite. Hopefully he gets traded to a contender.
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If he wins it, be prepared for the radioactive "Is Karlsson a Top 5 defenseman of all time?" thread.
wintersej
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Josi is very much not a Norris contender at this point.
You know who is? Hampus Lindholm. Over PPG and a plus TWENTY while playing in all situations.
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Karlsson winning the Norris this year should be the death knell for that award. Just change it to an Art Ross for defensemen at that point. He is literally the worst defensive player in the league.
The current numbers are obviously a hot streak, but he’s also playing legitimately well enough where he should be a strong contender if he doesn’t get injured and his play doesn’t significantly regress, which are two pretty major caveats. While I think he likely wants to keep proving he’s still capable of elite play, how much is he mentally going to be motivated in a February game when the Sharks are far out of it?
I think if he stays healthy and on his game, he’ll have a leg up on his competition as it’s a great narrative to have him come back to Norris form, and I think often award narratives can be formed early in the season with a hot start, as it usually keep their numbers near the top all year. While missing the playoffs usually disqualifies a player, voters opened the door with Fox in ‘21, and I think Karlsson’s “back from the dead” narrative would be able to counteract that.
I still wouldn’t vote for him as likely to win or be a finalist yet as it stands, as the injury bug is such a looming shadow, but we’ll see. Right now I say he stays hot for a bit longer, settles into a high level of play without insane production, but ends up missing some games and slows down as the dog says of the season roll on, and he ends up with something like 65 points in 67 games and finishes around 5th in voting
I think if he stays healthy and on his game, he’ll have a leg up on his competition as it’s a great narrative to have him come back to Norris form, and I think often award narratives can be formed early in the season with a hot start, as it usually keep their numbers near the top all year. While missing the playoffs usually disqualifies a player, voters opened the door with Fox in ‘21, and I think Karlsson’s “back from the dead” narrative would be able to counteract that.
I still wouldn’t vote for him as likely to win or be a finalist yet as it stands, as the injury bug is such a looming shadow, but we’ll see. Right now I say he stays hot for a bit longer, settles into a high level of play without insane production, but ends up missing some games and slows down as the dog says of the season roll on, and he ends up with something like 65 points in 67 games and finishes around 5th in voting
Should be required to play defense for the Norris. They need an Orr award.
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bert
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Lol what kind of league is that?! How was he a free agent?
He does play D. He has his faults but this narrative is tired and innacurate.
He had 1 point in his first 7 games (which included 5 straight losses for Nashville) - but has since scored 13 points in his last 10 games. Not saying he would be a finalist if season ended today, but considering he's coming off a 96 point season, which in particular included a very hot 2nd half of the year - I can't imagine why you'd think he's not one of the contenders to Norris this year. Still a lot of hockey left to play
wintersej
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No disagreement. Just saying “today” he isn’t on the list.
Not sure if I agree with that....would be more of an exception....very rarely does the leading D scorer win the award.
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It almost always goes to the defenseman who’s 1st or 2nd in points despite points having very little to do with what makes a defenseman valuable.
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Why would that matter.
He should win the Hart too if he continues this.
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Definitely. I mean I don’t think he will continue this because he’s currently on pace for about 120 points but early on if he’s not your Norris favorite, you’re wrong.
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Unsustainable Team on ice shooting percentage at 13.2% on a non playoff team against Fox-Makar.
By the time his 18.6% shooting percentage goes back down closer to his career average of 6.8% we will have a clearer look.
Obviously the if he continue talk are true, would Karlsson score close to 50 and over 110 points he could even on a non playoff team, has a non playoff D ever got close ?
By the time his 18.6% shooting percentage goes back down closer to his career average of 6.8% we will have a clearer look.
Obviously the if he continue talk are true, would Karlsson score close to 50 and over 110 points he could even on a non playoff team, has a non playoff D ever got close ?
bert
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Still bitter about 2017? Or just willfully ignoring that playoff series and how he played defensively when you had a front row view. If you want to say that at times he has brief lapses of effort and consistency sure. But when you play that much it can happen especially when you are pushing the puck up the ice. But when it matters most or when he needs to he is a very good defender.
Always? In the last 30 years, it's gone to the top scoring defenseman 10 times and 9 times to #2. Not sure why #2 is relevant though, I was noting that it rarely goes to the top scoring D. Also, when it does go to the top scoring D, of those 10 times, 3 times have been Bourque and Lidstrom....tough to argue and several of the #2's have been Lidstrom. A lot of times, those Dmen are also signifcantly ahead in +/-.
Scoring is still important though, the same was it is for a Selke winner. All skaters (i.e. everyone other than goalie) is responsible for producing offense, so I think the best D still needs to show offensive ability and then a F is even more responsible for producing offense,, so Selke winner still needs to show offensive ability. For both of these though, doesn't have to be the most offensive and rarely is.
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Except for Karlsson case, where he lost once to a guy with 30 less points, Josi didn’t win last year, should of.
