Will Connor McDavid win the 2024-2025 Art Ross Trophy?

[Regal]

Its funny because some posters were looking down on fact that crosby finished third in scoring at 27 and 28. Yet mcdavid finished third last year at 27 (76 gp is more than enough) n this year started off slow n is now injured.

Last year McDavid was good enough to win the Art Ross in most years though and the difference in pace was minimal. Kucherov and MacKinnon were just that good. When Crosby finished 3rd at 27 and 28 it wasn’t against very good competition other than Kane in ‘16 and Crosby was well behind his pace.

 

[ViD]

He is capable of winning it if he really wants to try, but I don't think he cares anymore about racking up regular season stats. He looks like he is happy to play a safer game instead of trying to beat guys 1 on 1 driving to the net and risking injury. I hope he gets a Cup in the next 2 seasons so we can see another year like 2020 or 2022 where he goes all out in the regular season.

Weird comment after he went 132 in 76. That wins Art Ross 9/10 times

 

[authentic]

No I know, I just wasn’t sure if you were suggesting I was focusing on certain years to make McDavid look better relative to Kucherov.

I think a lot depends on how things shake out relative to each other. If McDavid is close in PPG again this year it’s a bit different than if he was significantly outplayed. With Crosby a big part of the “grace period” was also that it wasn’t the same guys being better each year, so he was still the best somewhat by default for his consistency.

No I wasn’t suggesting that at all and was half joking but it’s interesting to think about as it does seem very possible that Kucherov could outplay him yet again, and perhaps even next season as well.

I agree with your point about Crosby as well.

 

[authentic]

Last year McDavid was good enough to win the Art Ross in most years though and the difference in pace was minimal. Kucherov and MacKinnon were just that good. When Crosby finished 3rd at 27 and 28 it wasn’t against very good competition other than Kane in ‘16 and Crosby was well behind his pace.

But also expanding on your last point about Crosby he had 33 goals and 74 points in his last 60 games after starting with 11 in 20 in 2015-16 so he was roughly scoring at the pace of Kane for 75% of the season and then followed that up with a 75 game pace that would’ve had him only 3 points behind McDavid but far ahead in goals the very next season, so interestingly enough I believe the following year is the first one you could conclusively say he was no longer the best player and McDavid took over.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

But also expanding on your last point about Crosby he had 33 goals and 74 points in his last 60 games after starting with 11 in 20 in 2015-16 so he was roughly scoring at the pace of Kane for 75% of the season and then followed that up with a 75 game pace that would’ve had him only 3 points behind McDavid but far ahead in goals the very next season, so interestingly enough I believe the following year is the first one you could conclusively say he was no longer the best player and McDavid took over.

As of july 2017. Crosby was still regarded by majority of the hockey world including HF as the best player in the world. (Naturally after five straight top 3 scoring finishes 3,1,3,3,2 and with just winning his second straight playoff MVP

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

As of july 2017. Crosby was still regarded by majority of the hockey world including HF as the best player in the world. (Naturally after five straight top 3 scoring finishes 3,1,3,3,2 and with just winning his second straight playoff MVP

Yea that's the time frame I have as well. Despite his last art ross being in 13-14, he finished 3rd, 3rd, and 2nd the next three seasons, won two conn smythes, a rocket, and world cup mvp in that span up to 16-17. I think McDavid took the mantle in 17-18 as the best player in the world.

 

[centipede2233]

I don’t see how mcdavid wins the art Ross. A really slow start for his standards and out a guaranteed 3 weeks, and he has to make up a lot of ground and stay healthy, I don’t like his chances

 

[CanadienShark]

I expect a top 3 finish. Even despite injuries, the guy is a special player and already an all time great. He will continue to do things that no one else can or can be expected to do.

 

[Video Nasty]

Its funny because some posters were looking down on fact that crosby finished third in scoring at 27 and 28. Yet mcdavid finished third last year at 27 (76 gp is more than enough) n this year started off slow n is now injured.

Crosby finished behind Benn x2, Tavares, and Kane in those two seasons while healthy.

McDavid finished behind Kucherov and MacKinnon and was 2nd in PPG while injured. He also trimmed a 20+ point deficit in just 28 days and somehow hit 125 points before either player, before ultimately being shut down during the end of the season, because again, he got injured again during the same season.

Completely different circumstances, level of play in relation to health status, and overall competition. Crosby losing to Benn and Tavares was pathetic, and while Kane is a terrific HoF player, getting blown away the following season by him, while finishing behind Benn again remains worthy of criticism.

 

[crowfish]

Weird comment after he went 132 in 76. That wins Art Ross 9/10 times

My comment did not imply that McDavid isn't good enough to play at 90% effort and produce like that, but if you watched him last year you would notice that he wasn't trying to beat defenders wide with speed hardly ever. The playoffs were a better indication of what his game is like at 100% effort. Look at how devasted he was after game 7... It's hard for me to imagine him having the mindset of going all out in the regular season after that.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Last year McDavid was good enough to win the Art Ross in most years though and the difference in pace was minimal. Kucherov and MacKinnon were just that good. When Crosby finished 3rd at 27 and 28 it wasn’t against very good competition other than Kane in ‘16 and Crosby was well behind his pace.

My overall point was that a lot of mcdavid fans take the art ross n hart for granted. This year shows just how easily those can slip away. So mcdavid has been very fortunate enough to stack his cabinet. Crosby had no such luck.

 

[sr edler]

Depending on how the injury affects him, he might not be dynamite right out of the gates when coming back. Players are people and it can take a little while to get going again.

 

[Staniowski]

If he misses 10+ games, it's quite unlikely.

If the other top scorers stay healthy, it's probably one of Kucherov, Kaprizov, or MacKinnon.

 

[SyZyGY]

With the recent reports, my guess is he'll miss 5 or 6 games.. we know he'll go on a huge tear sometimes this season like he always does so I'm not counting him out

 

[Crow]

Its funny because some posters were looking down on fact that crosby finished third in scoring at 27 and 28. Yet mcdavid finished third last year at 27 (76 gp is more than enough) n this year started off slow n is now injured.

This is absolutely ridiculous. One had 100 assists, the other 85 points. Not comparable seasons. Crosby was disappointing as hell. McDavid was not.

 

[bobholly39]

Looks like McDavid will be back tonight - missing only 3 games.

Anyone want to change their votes? lol

He does have a 15 point gap behind MacKinnon already, and 12 behind Kucherov, with same # of games left as both players.

This early in the season - and assuming good health rest of the way - I'm thinking he's still the favorite.

 

[Regal]

Looks like McDavid will be back tonight - missing only 3 games.

Anyone want to change their votes? lol

He does have a 15 point gap behind MacKinnon already, and 12 behind Kucherov, with same # of games left as both players.

This early in the season - and assuming good health rest of the way - I'm thinking he's still the favorite.

I wouldn’t call him the favourite given the gap imo. If both he, MacKinnon and Kucherov maintain their paces since 22-23 over the remaining games, they would end up:

MacKinnon: 140
Kucherov: 132
McDavid: 132

I think the three of them are too good to call any the favourite right now, but I do think it’s likely he’ll be top 3 again, not the potential top 10 miss some were predicting.

 

[Video Nasty]

Looks like McDavid will be back tonight - missing only 3 games.

Anyone want to change their votes? lol

He does have a 15 point gap behind MacKinnon already, and 12 behind Kucherov, with same # of games left as both players.

This early in the season - and assuming good health rest of the way - I'm thinking he's still the favorite.

Generational healing.

With Kucherov’s and MacKinnon’s performances last season and their strong starts now, they’ve earned the benefit of the doubt for the rest of the year. If MacKinnon “slips” back to his pace from the final 72 games last season—1.819 PPG—and Kucherov ticks back up to his 1.847, we’re looking at MacKinnon reaching 150 points and Kucherov 149, assuming they play all 82 games.

Now, if McDavid’s fully healed and averages 2 PPG over the remaining 69 games, that would put him at 148 points in 79 games—best PPG, but just shy in the overall race. For those doubting he can catch up, remember, after the slow, injured start, he scored 112 points in 57 games last season and made up a 20-point deficit in just 28 days while both stayed steady at 1.60 PPG. So it can be done without them going cold. No question that he was nagged all year by upper and lower body injuries, and he could go nuts.

A top-three finish seems likely. Might even finish with the top PPG even if he falls short as outlined before. If they stay hot, it’ll be a battle all season long again. Still, it’s shaping up to be another memorable scoring race. What a treat it will be to look back on these with full context in 10 or so years.

With Kucherov and MacKinnon off, McDavid needs to start closing that 12-15 point gap in a significant way—ideally, he’ll kick things off with a 4-5 point game. With the current context of missing just 3 games, compared to the original expectation of 10-12 missed games, I’ve changed my vote from finishing top three to collecting his 6th Art Ross.