Will Canada success in soccer and basketball have even more detrimental effect on hockey ?

[The Gr8 Dane]

No it will not affect hockey much, the rich kids with two parents and a house and cars play hockey. The rest of them in the city stick to basketball and soccer

Why doesn't Canadian government have any program to help young kids to play hockey, especially kids from poor families?

Hockey Canada's only interest is making money , hockey should be in public schools if they want to grow the game

 

[57special]

Canada has more youth soccer players than hockey players for decades. Canadian soccer just had trouble coaching excellence.

It and hoops are far cheaper to play at an elementary level, while hockey has gotten more and more expensive, so it will fall behind in numbers, at least.

 

[Minnesota Knudsens]

Just speaking about my neck of the woods, but the tradition of hockey is still alive and well and it’s taken much more seriously than both soccer and basketball. This might differ from the GTA however. Hockey in small town Ontario has an advantage in organization and structure that is unrivalled at the moment. And the amazing part is that I say this despite the fact that more kids might actually play soccer here than they do hockey.

Don’t get me wrong, there is still Rep level soccer here, and a lot of talented kids play the game. The way in which it differs is the lower levels and child development or “pipeline” if you will.

Most kids in my town play house league soccer which is an absolute joke. There are no tryouts to assess ability or balance teams. The coaches aren’t “soccer coaches”. There are no practices or concept of development for kids that display aptitude. There isn’t any sort of accolade or regional championship for winning the league. Sometimes the game doesn’t even have a ref or the ref doesn’t even know the rules very well. The parents don’t care and play on their phones while the game is on. It’s basically just a sport for kids to run around aimlessly and get exercise.

Hockey organizations on the other hand have all the above. The parents and coaches are heavily invested and involved, and kids have a ladder to move up and down, and incentive to win or at the very least stand out from their peers.

 

[Kshahdoo]

Why single out Canada, why not all the hockey nations?
There are tax deductions for kids signing up for sports programs.

It's mostly free for kids in Russia. I mean not in every hockey school, but all top schools develop Russian kids for free. That's why we have Panarin who was from a very poor family.

 

[Golden_Jet]

They worked out indoors and they held classes indoors. Most kids had it by the end of the summer so they didn’t worry about.

Well it depends what province or state you lived in, everyone had their own policies.

Some had no indoor activities.
OHL and teams in Ontario did not play,

Answer to OP, is will not have any effect.

 

[elmaco]

It's the people who wouldn't play hockey to begin with that are increasing the numbers of other sports.

 

[Nineteen67]

Well it depends what province or state you lived in, everyone had their own policies.

Some had no indoor activities.
OHL and teams in Ontario did not play,

Answer to OP, is will not have any effect.

Those mandates are still affecting a lot of kids. It makes me sad, but I’m thankful that I was given some accurate and real information early on and our kids were able to live their lives.

 

[Marc the Habs Fan]

Oh look, it's the monthly let's find strange reasons to predict the demise of hockey in Canada thread.

As if we didn't just have back-to-back 1st overall picks (and 4 of the last 5), 8 of the first 11 picks in the 2024 draft and 18 of the 32 1st rounders in that draft.

Maybe we won't produce the sheer number of NHL players we used to but we will still be a force armed with tons of top end talent. So stop the nonsense. And I say this as someone who loves every second of this Canada Basketball uprising.

 

[dalewood12]

I think so. Cost and immigration being the two biggest factors.

 

[Voight]

Why doesn't Canadian government have any program to help young kids to play hockey, especially kids from poor families?

Cause they'd rather spend money on dumb shit.

The United States will take over hockey soon. The US mens hockey team is already the most stacked team in the world.

In a world where Canada doesn't exist, maybe.

 

[StreetHawk]

Being the next Chara is hard to replicate for a Basketball player. Assuming we are talking about guys who are 6'4 and taller. Guys who end up playing Guard, yeah, they may make good hockey players if they opt for the the sport, but once you get to the Forwards and Center, unlikely. I mean, how many 6'6 plus players have ever played hockey at the pro level?

Soccer, have the right size for hockey.

Both sports are way more accessible. Something the NHL should look at as they need the feeder system, especially with the expectation of more expansion down the line. Need to increase the quality of player, not just add the 23, 64, 89, and 128th next best players in the world.

 

[GOilers88]

No it will not affect hockey much, the rich kids with two parents and a house and cars play hockey. The rest of them in the city stick to basketball and soccer


Hockey Canada's only interest is making money , hockey should be in public schools if they want to grow the game

Hockey is in public schools.

The issue is the only kids that make the teams all play rep hockey as it is. But the same can be said for basketball, at least in my experience.

Kids looking to try out and see if they like it have zero chance at making the teams.

 

[Zine]

It's mostly free for kids in Russia. I mean not in every hockey school, but all top schools develop Russian kids for free. That's why we have Panarin who was from a very poor family.

It's free but AFAIK parents still need to provide equipment up to the 8th year of the child (when contract with schools begin). It's how Panarin was using like 30 year old equipment until he joined Vityaz school.

That said, I don't think any child would be allowed to play in 30 year old equipment these days.

 

[joelef]

Oh look, it's the monthly let's find strange reasons to predict the demise of hockey in Canada thread.

As if we didn't just have back-to-back 1st overall picks (and 4 of the last 5), 8 of the first 11 picks in the 2024 draft and 18 of the 32 1st rounders in that draft.

Maybe we won't produce the sheer number of NHL players we used to but we will still be a force armed with tons of top end talent. So stop the nonsense. And I say this as someone who loves every second of this Canada Basketball uprising.

The participation numbers are already down and the draft pics don’t represent the demographic reality of Canada

 

[StumpyTown]

Canada just placed top 4 in the Copa America becoming the best North American team in the tournament.

Canada also just went undefeated in the Olympics basketball round robin tournament and has good chances at winning medals.

I don’t recall if Canada was ever this successful in these sports before and therefore this brings a question - will this even more decrease the popularity of hockey and number of children playing it?

No. Hockey is still going to be king in Canada for the foreseeable future.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Ahh the monthly negative thread of Canadian hockey from @ViD,
Shocking!

 

[Djp]

Canada just placed top 4 in the Copa America becoming the best North American team in the tournament.

Canada also just went undefeated in the Olympics basketball round robin tournament and has good chances at winning medals.

I don’t recall if Canada was ever this successful in these sports before and therefore this brings a question - will this even more decrease the popularity of hockey and number of children playing it?

Basketball and hockey are not competing girls thr famr players. For basketball you need to be 2m meters in height

Soccer you could be directly competing along with baseball.

You can be fast on feet but it dorsnt translate to ice skating because you use different muscles

No. Hockey is still going to be king in Canada for the foreseeable future.

Until global warming killed winter ice

 

[Golden_Jet]

Basketball and hockey are not competing girls thr famr players. For basketball you need to be 2m meters in height

Soccer you could be directly competing along with baseball.

You can be fast on feet but it dorsnt translate to ice skating because you use different muscles


Until global warming killed winter ice

Ya playing on the ODR, has gone down to about 2 months a year now where I am.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

Canada's demographics are changing, perhaps in an even more accelerated way than the U.S. Subsequent generations are going to 1) gravitate towards sports that their parents/culture enjoy 2) gravitate towards sports that are more accessible. This is a good thing for athletics in Canada but will eventually start chipping away at hockey.

 

[9911]

Until global warming killed winter ice

Did it melt the 3000 indoor arenas?

 

[SEALBound]

The politics of Canada is by far the biggest obstacle. Success in other sports may contribute but it's a distant factor compared to the economic struggles.

 

[joelef]

Canada's demographics are changing, perhaps in an even more accelerated way than the U.S. Subsequent generations are going to 1) gravitate towards sports that their parents/culture enjoy 2) gravitate towards sports that are more accessible. This is a good thing for athletics in Canada but will eventually start chipping away at hockey.

Another thing to is the marketing and culture around hockey. Hockey just isnt seem as cool and there biggest stars are completely invisible to the American public to do Canadian good ole boys network that dominate hockey.

 

[Orfieus]

Success? No.

The fact soccer and basketball are far more accessible to the average household probably will though. Hockey is not an affordable sport for the average family.

It's a sign MLS will be more popular than hockey, regulated to 6th place (technically more)

NFL, MLB, NBA, College (at least football), MLS then hockey

 

[Golden_Jet]

NFL, MLB, NBA, College (at least football), MLS then hockey

Not in Canada

 

[Fatass]

It's a sign MLS will be more popular than hockey, regulated to 6th place (technically more)

NFL, MLB, NBA, College (at least football), MLS then hockey

Not up here though, which is what this thread is about. Hockey is way ahead of those other sports. Hockey is by far king here and will continue to be.