Speculation: Wild willing to facilitate trades

[Petes2424]

It’s all part of the asset management game this hard cap has created. Grab assets when you can. A 4th is pretty normal, and they can do it two more times, assuming the money is available.

While the Wild could do it a couple more times, they won’t be involved in a Kane or Meier retention because they may need a retention slot on Dumba, and it could get a bit too expensive on a Kane.

Even on those type of players, who we could see $2-$2.5 million retained, you’re still probably only netting a 3rd rounder.

So when Kane is traded to Vegas in the next week or so, a team like Anaheim or Detroit will likely land only a 3rd rounder.

So it can get expensive to do, and teams have to be careful, especially if they have their own players to move.

 

[mouser]

It’s all part of the asset management game this hard cap has created. Grab assets when you can. A 4th is pretty normal, and they can do it two more times, assuming the money is available.

While the Wild could do it a couple more times, they won’t be involved in a Kane or Meier retention because they may need a retention slot on Dumba, and it could get a bit too expensive on a Kane.

Even on those type of players, who we could see $2-$2.5 million retained, you’re still probably only netting a 3rd rounder.

So when Kane is traded to Vegas in the next week or so, a team like Anaheim or Detroit will likely land only a 3rd rounder.

So it can get expensive to do, and teams have to be careful, especially if they have their own players to move.

Kane’s 25% retained salary at the deadline will be $165k, which should equate to a 5th round pick.

 

[Petes2424]

Kane’s 25% retained salary at the deadline will be $165k, which should equate to a 5th round pick.

His actual salary or his AAV?

It’s the AAV that matters. Have we ever seen a pass-thru retention done because of actual dollars to be paid? I can’t think of it ever happening.

You can only retain 50% (of AAV) and that can only have one other pass-thru retention of another 50% of the 50%. So 25% of his AAV.

That would mean it’s $2,625,000 (at the least) in this hard cap. Correct?? Is there something I’m missing??

So while actual money means something as it always does, the AAV is what actually matters on each team’s cap books.

Nobody is going to say, “since real cash is only $200k, we will accept a 5th in return.” $2.625m means a lot if this pass thru team has other players of their own, they might have to retain on, or take a salary dump in another trade. It’s the $2.625 that gets counted.

Someone is likely getting a 3rd rounder to retain 25% of Kane’s AAV.

 

[Coach Parker]

Boston needs Minnesota's help with retention for sure in both deals.

Then again, Chicago and Arizona may just take back the full contracts and retain 50% as they are out of the race anyways.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Nobody is going to say, “since real cash is only $200k, we will accept a 5th in return.”

That actually plays a huge part in these transactions for the retaining team as they’re essentially buying a draft pick.

 

[mouser]

His actual salary or his AAV?

It’s the AAV that matters. Have we ever seen a pass-thru retention done because of actual dollars to be paid? I can’t think of it ever happening.

You can only retain 50% (of AAV) and that can only have one other pass-thru retention of another 50% of the 50%. So 25% of his AAV.

That would mean it’s $2,625,000 (at the least) in this hard cap. Correct?? Is there something I’m missing??

So while actual money means something as it always does, the AAV is what actually matters on each team’s cap books.

Nobody is going to say, “since real cash is only $200k, we will accept a 5th in return.” $2.625m means a lot if this pass thru team has other players of their own, they might have to retain on, or take a salary dump in another trade. It’s the $2.625 that gets counted.

Someone is likely getting a 3rd rounder to retain 25% of Kane’s AAV.

Every third party 25% expiring retention deal compensation has been based on real dollars.

AAV doesn’t matter when teams have hundreds of millions of use it or lose it cap space. The prior five seasons all of the salary retention has added up to a little over $5m AAV. The supply of AAV vastly exceeds the demand for third party retention.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

His actual salary or his AAV?

It’s the AAV that matters. Have we ever seen a pass-thru retention done because of actual dollars to be paid? I can’t think of it ever happening.

You can only retain 50% (of AAV) and that can only have one other pass-thru retention of another 50% of the 50%. So 25% of his AAV.

That would mean it’s $2,625,000 (at the least) in this hard cap. Correct?? Is there something I’m missing??

So while actual money means something as it always does, the AAV is what actually matters on each team’s cap books.

Nobody is going to say, “since real cash is only $200k, we will accept a 5th in return.” $2.625m means a lot if this pass thru team has other players of their own, they might have to retain on, or take a salary dump in another trade. It’s the $2.625 that gets counted.

Someone is likely getting a 3rd rounder to retain 25% of Kane’s AAV.

That is quite literally what happens. Teams dont give a shit about the AAV at this stage, not the ones that are potentially acting as 3rd parties for retention.


It's literally all about the real $$$ involved. These teams are essentially buying draft picks. And the prices are very well established based on plenty of prior trades. Patrick Kane with 50% retention would be about $175k, the value of a 5th round pick.... Maybe a late 4th rounder.