Prospect Info: Wild Prospect Thread 2024-25
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DANOZ28
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guerin NEVER mentioned an offer to fiala , just traded him. fiala had to accept a 5.5 mill one year lowball offer , then wanted out. why was there never a mention of negotiations? EVERYTIME russo asked billy shut him down. IF things were going well or getting close he would NOT have been traded before fiala became a ufa. now if you have any article or proof billy made a fair offer but fiala turned it down i'd like to read it. all these things happen behind closed doors so the fact that russo had nothing and he was the closest beat writer to the team tells me all i need to know. i have common sense unlike others.
I think you are misremembering how it all went down.
Guerin has said a number of times that they did not have the cap space to retain him at the time leading up to the trade. In case you’ve forgotten, the past 2-3 years have been extremely tight for cap space due to the Parise/Suter buyouts. Fiala at $8M would have meant eventual counter balancing moves (ie Boldy for a top 4 dman when Boldy was up for an extension). No Fiala trade = no Faber on the top pairing for less than $1M for the last few seasons.
I guess we could’ve ran an entire bottom 6 of guys like Petan and Cramarossa and forced Brodin or Spurgeon (or 3+ trades of Foligno/Greenway/other) out via trade to make a Fiala extension work. Guerin did not think that was a good plan and I can certainly argue his case as using “common sense.” That is before we get to Dean and him not being happy with Fiala’s penalty/turnover/lack of defense issues. There was not going to be an extension offer. There just wasn’t.
Perhaps you could show your “common sense” way of making Fiala at $8M work starting in the 2022-23 season and go to the present? I’m certainly interested to see how you would have made that work. Should be pretty easy for you since it is “common sense.” Looking forward to the response.
ThatGuy22
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I don't believe he offered him a contract. I agree with that. That doesn't mean Fiala demanded a trade.
BG simply didn't like what the going rate for Fiala was going to be, for the player he is(offense only, streaky, somewhat a hothead).
No more no less. You don't think Russo wouldn't have the goods on it a trade demand had happened.
Given the severe buyers remorse the Kings have, turns out BG was right.
DANOZ28
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why didn't billy have the cap space for the 2nd highest scorer on the team? a bunch of old retread contracts maybe? rookie gm poor cap mgmt or he already knew fiala wanted out. lets say you guys are right about no cap space for fiala, doesn't that fit with the arbitration lowball offer & fiala wanting out because he knew he'd get screwed on the next contract? hmmmm theres a common sense thought don't ya think!
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Minnewildsota
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1) Because he bought out Parise and Suter. He made a calculated decisions that the team would perform better with them off the team than on it.
2) We're correct because of point #1 - he didn't sign these old vets, retreads, whatever you want to call them until after the buyouts, and mostly after Fiala had already been traded
3) They offered a deal in/before arbitration to a number:
a) They thought they could work with
b) What they thought his overall skillset was worth
Scoring is great and all, but if you're giving up 2 goals for every 1 goal you score, you're still not winning the game.
@DigitalBoldy kindly asked you to provide proof on how you think they could have made Fiala's $8M/yr contract work, to which you have provided absolutely no proof that it could.
BagHead
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He re-signed Greenway, Foligno, and... someone else. Gaudreau maybe? He was attempting to keep the GREEF line together because it was totally tilting the ice in the Wild's favor. It didn't perform as well the next couple years, but Guerin wouldn't know that at the time since it hadn't happened yet. It was a question of keeping a streaky, high scoring player with turnover and penalty problems, or keeping together the Wild's far lower scoring but best performing xGF-GA and actualGF-GA, heaviest forechecking, strong shutdown line.
So on the one hand you can keep a highly skilled but also highly flawed player, but then you need to replace your best performing line with scrubs, and on the other hand you can keep your best performing line, but you lose out on your second best scorer. Not an enviable position to be in, but either choice is defensible.
There was a solid year or more of everyone trying get the cap to work to keep fiala here. Much of it due to the buyouts and wanting to keep the greef line together, which didn't happen anyway.
Don't recall fiala not wanting to be here outside pure speculation.
i kind of remember giving up on any hope of keeping fiala when they signed Greenway. Which turned out bad anyway.
Dr Jan Itor
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It's hard to remember without being able to see old cap pages, but I think it was doable if they would've bet on him in the summer of 2021, assuming his LA contract didn't include a non-Minnesota discount. Hard to know.
MuckOG
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If we didn't trade Fiala, we wouldn't have Faber. I'm ok with that result even if BG lucked into it.
Minnewildsota
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There were certainly ways to make it work but it involved making some trades. Then more issues signing guys down the road.
DANOZ28
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nobody knew faber would be a stud or even LA would not have traded him. you all could be right about the greef line but that meant flushing fiala down the toilet. billy made that decision not me. so when i say fiala wanted out why are any of you disagreeing???????????????????????????????????????????????
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Faber was hugely successful in college, just didn’t put up many points. He was a safe bet to be a 3/4D with his skating, decision-making and compete level. He had a number of very prominent believers even before the trade.
Because you are conflating Guerin choosing to move on from Fiala with Fiala wanting out. Most will agree that Guerin wanted to move on from Fiala. I have yet to see evidence that Fiala demanded a trade or wanted out, something you stated several times now:
This post reminds me that I’m kind of a dumba55 sometimes. Faber+Vilardi+2nd and I said I didn’t like that trade, LOL. That trade would have been a home run for the Wild.
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Faber was hugely successful in college, just didn’t put up many points. He was a safe bet to be a 3/4D with his skating, decision-making and compete level. He had a number of very prominent believers even before the trade.
I keep it bookmarked mentally bc it was such a rare win for me. You know what they say about blind squirrels and nuts
Minnewildsota
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