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Proposal: Wideman to EDM
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biggbose
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So you numbers guys are saying
Klefbom is better than gio
Larsson is better than Brodie
Sekera is better than Hamilton
Fayne is better than wideman
So by your numbers you now have one of the best D groups in the NHL maybe even better than team Canada's D group
Klefbom is better than gio
Larsson is better than Brodie
Sekera is better than Hamilton
Fayne is better than wideman
So by your numbers you now have one of the best D groups in the NHL maybe even better than team Canada's D group
If you don't understand what oilerbear is posting about, you could just ask for clarification.
biggbose
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Raoul Duke
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Oilers can sign Wisniewski AND Boyle for less than Wideman.
PLUS lets not do the Flames any favors... even though we do owe them for Smid... and Staois
PLUS lets not do the Flames any favors... even though we do owe them for Smid... and Staois
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Ference is LTIR.
Oilers still lose that trade.
Oilers can probably sign Boyle and Wisniewski FOR 1.5 mil each which is still over 2 million less than Wideman AND we wouldn't be helping the Flames out.
I can't see any scenario where the Flames would pay a guy to play for the Oilers.
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Interesting trade for both sides
If the Oilers can't make a trade this off season for Barrie, or sign James Wizniewski or Dan Boyle. This may be a option Chiarelli could look at. Looking at the positives for each team both sides might benefit from for a trade with Dennis Wideman.
I don't really think Calgary is really in Cap Hell this year or next. Things might be tight with having to resign their two young star players but probably can be worked out easily enough. Even next season with all the UFA's Calgary has and having to resign Elliott and Bennett should be doable.
When mentioning Mark Fayne in a deal with Dennis Wideman is pretty equal value there. If Calgary needs a little more cap space Mark Fayne's contract will give them a extra 1.625 mil they could use. Mark Fayne's value doesn't end there either. In the 2014-15 season he played a lot with Martin Marincin and Oscar Klefbom. Both young left hand defenseman benefited greatly playing beside this man.
Having Mark Fayne for the next two years should be perfect for the Flames to bring along the young dmen for the future of the franchise. Oliver Kylington is probably the best man for any opening for that last LHD postiion. Both being great defensive players will be a less stressful pairing than two offensive minded players in that spot.
For the Oilers getting Dennis Wideman would add a bit more experience to the team, a little more physical player and a respectable addition for the powerplay. He also has some playoff experience and played a few seasons with one of our newest additions Milan Lucic in Boston. Adding another leader to this young team would be perfect for the young Edmonton Oilers team.
In the end a trade with Calgary would probably be one of Chiarelli's last resort options. Might not be a bad option if nothing else comes his way. Oilers keeping Mark Fayne for their own purposes to bring along young defensemen would be best for them anyways. If another deal does come along and Oilers keep him, playing third pairing would be ideal.
If the Oilers can't make a trade this off season for Barrie, or sign James Wizniewski or Dan Boyle. This may be a option Chiarelli could look at. Looking at the positives for each team both sides might benefit from for a trade with Dennis Wideman.
I don't really think Calgary is really in Cap Hell this year or next. Things might be tight with having to resign their two young star players but probably can be worked out easily enough. Even next season with all the UFA's Calgary has and having to resign Elliott and Bennett should be doable.
When mentioning Mark Fayne in a deal with Dennis Wideman is pretty equal value there. If Calgary needs a little more cap space Mark Fayne's contract will give them a extra 1.625 mil they could use. Mark Fayne's value doesn't end there either. In the 2014-15 season he played a lot with Martin Marincin and Oscar Klefbom. Both young left hand defenseman benefited greatly playing beside this man.
Having Mark Fayne for the next two years should be perfect for the Flames to bring along the young dmen for the future of the franchise. Oliver Kylington is probably the best man for any opening for that last LHD postiion. Both being great defensive players will be a less stressful pairing than two offensive minded players in that spot.
For the Oilers getting Dennis Wideman would add a bit more experience to the team, a little more physical player and a respectable addition for the powerplay. He also has some playoff experience and played a few seasons with one of our newest additions Milan Lucic in Boston. Adding another leader to this young team would be perfect for the young Edmonton Oilers team.
In the end a trade with Calgary would probably be one of Chiarelli's last resort options. Might not be a bad option if nothing else comes his way. Oilers keeping Mark Fayne for their own purposes to bring along young defensemen would be best for them anyways. If another deal does come along and Oilers keep him, playing third pairing would be ideal.
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It's not a bad fit, but I wouldn't be in a rush to help out the Flames. Though I'd guess that feeling's mutual with the Flames giving the Oilers a piece that fits their needs.
Ference for Wideman w/2.75mil* retained is about all I'd offer at this point.
*the difference in salary between the two*
Wideman's NMC could also be an issue here, though (especially if he lives to the north of Calgary) he could still easily sleep in his normal bed most nights if he wanted
Though adding Wideman would have me afraid of refs backlash and the (lack of) calls going Edmonton's way.
So that leaves us with...
Brodie-Giordano . . . . . . . .Klefbom-Larsson
Wotherspoon-Hamilton . . . Sekera-Wideman/Fayne
Smid-Engelland . . . . . . . . Davidson-Fayne/Wideman
Jokipakka . . . . . . . . . . . ..Oesterle
I think both sides could find that livable
Ference for Wideman w/2.75mil* retained is about all I'd offer at this point.
*the difference in salary between the two*
- Ference goes on LTIR and insurance pays the cost. Also a nice send of to Farence, as I still think he has a number of properties down there and was a fan favourite before the Stuart trade.
- Edmonton spends 3 million on a guy to help the PP and generating offence.
- Calgary gets dinged a 2.75million cap hit, but that's likely cheaper than any contract dump they'd be forced to take back.
Wideman's NMC could also be an issue here, though (especially if he lives to the north of Calgary) he could still easily sleep in his normal bed most nights if he wanted
Though adding Wideman would have me afraid of refs backlash and the (lack of) calls going Edmonton's way.
So that leaves us with...
Brodie-Giordano . . . . . . . .Klefbom-Larsson
Wotherspoon-Hamilton . . . Sekera-Wideman/Fayne
Smid-Engelland . . . . . . . . Davidson-Fayne/Wideman
Jokipakka . . . . . . . . . . . ..Oesterle
I think both sides could find that livable
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Klefbom had 12. He must suck too. Or maybe they both didn't play full seasons. Wideman had 56 point the year before and would be by far your best offensive defenseman.
Raoul Duke
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Didn't say anyone sucked, you're adding that in, not me.
I also wasn't in here proclaiming Klefbom to be a 40-50 point D man.
You're selling Wideman as a slam dunk 40+ point D man. He's not.
He missed time, but he was barely on a 30 point pace. High 30s looks about right for him over the last 4 years, outside of that 50+ season year before last. Incidentally, Wisniewski , who you write off as an inferior "30 point" player, broke 50 the year prior to that.
Wideman is a weak defensive player who has some skills on the powerplay. Wisniewski is a very similar player who likely comes way cheaper, without trading an asset, and without helping out an opponent.
Oil shouldn't even consider it unless other options aren't available.
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Oilers can sign Wisniewski AND Boyle for less than Wideman.
PLUS lets not do the Flames any favors... even though we do owe them for Smid... and Staois
You don't want Boyle. You really do not want Boyle.
I have made it known I like both teams . You are over selling this . Wideman is a cap dump at this point . Fayne remains to be seen . He was garbage last year and was waived when he was recalled he was much better . There was also a rumour Fayne came into camp out of shape and this year he is working out hard . So at this point I think the Oilers wait and see if Fayne has indeed improved his conditioning and if it transfers to the ice .
Personally I like both teams to move both these players . Edmonton to upgrade . The Flames for the cap space
Just commenting on this a little bit: Calgary isn't really in cap hell. It'll be tight, which was why Colborne's rights were allowed to expire, but the management team has carefully organized the cap in such a way that we can comfortably fit both Gaudreau and Monahan under the cap -- unless we're looking at paying them a combined 16m. It would require some paper transactions, but it could happen.
Next season, with all of Bollig, Engelland, Smid, and Wideman coming off the cap, we'll have more than 12m to deal with finding our bottom pair, replacing a couple depth forwards (or hopefully pushing Brouwer out of the top line role), re-signing Bennett (with some other assorted RFAs -- the most notable being Ferland and Jokipakka, neither of whom could reasonably claim more than 1.3m or so right now), and dealing with the goaltending. In my opinion, that's lots of space.
If being in cap hell means you're choosing your star players over third liners, then I guess Calgary is in cap hell. But we're not at the "sacrifice crucial parts of your roster" point that (in my opinion) most people are describing when they're talking about cap hell.
Guido Sarducci
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Teams would be begging to trade for Wideman except for 3 minor details
1. Wideman makes big money
2. He sucks
3. He still has the cloud of knocking out an official hanging over him
Forget it Flames fans. Nobody is going to take him. He is ours. Just have to hope for a bounce back season.
1. Wideman makes big money
2. He sucks
3. He still has the cloud of knocking out an official hanging over him
Forget it Flames fans. Nobody is going to take him. He is ours. Just have to hope for a bounce back season.
Absolutely that's an option! Is he willing to play for Edmonton? Or a Canadian team?
If you add him without subtracting who are you sending to the AHL? Nurse or Reinhardt? Are they still waiver eligible?
Not being sarcastic, just asking? Who could you be exposing in the expansion draft on D?
Just asking, not picking a fight!
We don't know if he is willing to play in Edmonton, but he might be getting to the point where it's Edmonton or going over seas. Does Wiz have a history of not wanting to play for a Canadian team?
Ideally, Nurse and Reinhart should start the season in the AHL. Both are still waiver exempt.
Fayne will be exposed because it is expected that he will meet the minimum exposure requirements for games played. Davidson and Reinhart will likely be exposed as well.
Again not trying to pick a fight! Nurse and Reinhardt being waiver exempt definitely helps a lot. Not saying Wiz wont play for the Oilers either, some players wont play in Canada, not trying to start rumors about him.
Will the Oiler have to protect Nurse in the expansion draft?
Sorry so many questions!
Expansion team is gonna get quite a few good players. Not stars, but bet they get a few young guys with lots of potential that blossom. That's not an Oilers rub, many teams are gonna be upset losing a player.
