why nobody is talking about the anaheim ducks rebuild?

[Captain Mountain]

I mean were in the same posistion as Detroit/Ott/Montreal/Columbus.

Dostal/Lacombe have been stand out young players, zegras stood out until he hit injury wall.... rest of the guys are still much younger than a lot of the people you just listed.

I like LaCombe, but if he counts as standout, then all those teams have more standouts too. The players I mentioned are standouts because their play has stood out that people beyond fans of the team and hockey die-hards have noticed.

And many of those teams have other young players as well.

Its not a knock on Anaheim's rebuild, its why I don't see how the lack of 1st OA elite talent isn't a real reason why nobody's talking about Anaheim's rebuild right now.

 

[MoneyManny]

I agree with this take.

It’s weird how it’s always complaints about how hockey players have boring personalities, and don’t do enough to grow the game. And then someone like Z shows up and everybody is just «Yeah, don’t be like that».

And then it doesn’t help that Cronin seems to kill all of the flair of of his game, even though it makes him better on the defense.

What even is Duck-fans thoughts around Cronin these days?

Because being outgoing doesn't automatically make you likable.

I know gen Z sucks but Zegras gives off the same vibe as my 13 years old nephew. I don't really care myself but it's easy to see why it rubs some of the older fans the wrong way lol.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I like LaCombe, but if he counts as standout, then all those teams have more standouts too. The players I mentioned are standouts because their play has stood out that people beyond fans of the team and hockey die-hards have noticed.

And many of those teams have other young players as well.

Its not a knock on Anaheim's rebuild, its why I don't see how the lack of 1st OA elite talent isn't a real reason why nobody's talking about Anaheim's rebuild right now.

Thats why i said part of the reason.


Zegras did get people talking but has had injury issues the last 2 years. Outside of that, its anaheim... were not exactly the center of the hockey universe.

 

[Juxtaposer]

I think this is an overly negative take on basically everything but you qualified it by saying you think it’s possible they turn it around. while Dostal has indeed been great and is performing beyond expectations (not merely meeting), other guys have exceeded as well I’d say like Lacombe and Gauthier - what you said about Gauthier is just way off base, Just way too early to say something like that. I bet you can’t point to any quantitative evidence to support that opinion. I haven’t seen anyone else make such a premature assertion either.

The young guys are still learning, developing, trying things out. Coaches are not the greatest at coaching offense either. People from the Ducks board will even say I’ve been a bit hard on Carlsson in particular but a lot of this is just unfair to him and others. The general tenor of your post is just off.

Sure. I'm simply answering the question, "why is nobody talking about the Anaheim Ducks' rebuild?" That's why. The team is mediocre at best and the young players aren't playing very well. Easy answer. Not to say they can't take the next step, just that they aren't very exciting right now.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Thats why i said part of the reason.


Zegras did get people talking but has had injury issues the last 2 years. Outside of that, its anaheim... were not exactly the center of the hockey universe.

A likely small part of the reason considering every other team that hasn't had 1st OA luck.

 

[Gritty Bonk]

I know gen Z sucks but Zegras gives off the same vibe as my 13 years old nephew. I don't really care myself but it's easy to see why it rubs some of the older fans the wrong way lol.

But that still doesn’t actually change what I said. People wants personalities that can help grow the game, and Zegras is just that kind of player for a younger generation. But still people are like «This kid is shit» because he is different, and a cocky kid from the start.

I don’t really have anything against him, just humorous to see people shit on a kid for the way he looks or is a little bit to SoCal for the sport. And people are wondering why hockey players are so boring outside the rink.

I hope he will continue to be himself in the future, hopefully mature a bit, but still brings a lot of flair inside and outside the rink.

 

[FiveTacos]

Sure. I'm simply answering the question, "why is nobody talking about the Anaheim Ducks' rebuild?" That's why. The team is mediocre at best and the young players aren't playing very well.

I wouldn't say they aren't playing very well. Individually a lot of them are doing just fine for their age and experience. The problem is, they have no shelter whatsoever.

I mean, Carlsson's got Brett freaking Lesson on his wing, and people wonder why he doesn't rack up a ton of primary assists as a 19-20 year old? Seriously? If the only way to not be disappointing is to storm out of the gate as a superstar as a teenager, then there's a whole bunch of recent high picks that should be dumped immediately.

 

[Juxtaposer]

I wouldn't say they aren't playing very well. Individually a lot of them are doing just fine for their age and experience. The problem is, they have no shelter whatsoever.

I mean, Carlsson's got Brett freaking Lesson on his wing, and people wonder why he doesn't rack up a ton of primary assists as a 19-20 year old? Seriously? If the only way to not be disappointing is to storm out of the gate as a superstar as a teenager, then there's a whole bunch of recent high picks that should be dumped immediately.

Reading comprehension, man. I didn't say Carlsson was "disappointing", I said he wasn't playing very well. That's an objective fact.

One primary assist in 33 games is terrible, I don't care who you're playing with.

 

[FiveTacos]

Reading comprehension, man. I didn't say Carlsson was "disappointing", I said he wasn't playing very well. That's an objective fact.

One primary assist in 33 games is terrible, I don't care who you're playing with.

You're right, you didn't say he's disappointing ... you're now claiming he's terrible.

 

[McDonald19]

I don't see any success story here. Maybe it will change with time, but as we speak, their top scorers are veterans (Terry, Vatrano, Strome, Killorn). Gauthier is their best youngster so far this season with 17pts in 39GP. I would be worried being a Ducks fan

Naw we aren’t worried. The young d-men and goalie have been good and lots of young forwards with high end potential including Sennecke.

I like LaCombe, but if he counts as standout, then all those teams have more standouts too. The players I mentioned are standouts because their play has stood out that people beyond fans of the team and hockey die-hards have noticed.

LaCombe is tied for 4th in NHL d-men goal scoring. I think he deserves the recognition.

 

[StreetHawk]

I don't see any success story here. Maybe it will change with time, but as we speak, their top scorers are veterans (Terry, Vatrano, Strome, Killorn). Gauthier is their best youngster so far this season with 17pts in 39GP. I would be worried being a Ducks fan

I would agree in that without a big step from the kids, who are playing fine but not amazing, it’s still a wait and see especially up front.

Seem to have gotten better defensively. Which is important.

 

[KingPuckChoo]

I see threads about the wings, habs rebuild issues and nobody has brought up Anaheim..

I think this team is gonna be good. They have a lot of young skillful forwards and some good young d-men.

Discuss.

My friend, the Habs win 8 of 10 games sitting at 19th in the league yet we're talking about them qualifying to the FIFA World Cup FINALS , Ducks cannot compete with that level of insane coverage and hype

 

[Juxtaposer]

You're right, you didn't say he's disappointing ... you're now claiming he's terrible.

Reading comprehension. I didn't say he's terrible, I said having one primary assist in 33 games is terrible.

 

[FiveTacos]

Reading comprehension. I didn't say he's terrible, I said having one primary assist in 33 games is terrible.

So he's not terrible, just his production is? Distinction without a difference.

 

[dracom]

Because being outgoing doesn't automatically make you likable.

I know gen Z sucks but Zegras gives off the same vibe as my 13 years old nephew. I don't really care myself but it's easy to see why it rubs some of the older fans the wrong way lol.

what exactly does Zegras do that gives off those vibes? Can you give actual evidence? What does he do differently than other players dont?

 

[Juxtaposer]

So he's not terrible, just his production is? Distinction without a difference.

Yes, his production is terrible. If you don't see the difference between the statements "his production is terrible" and "he is terrible", then that's on you.

 

[FiveTacos]

Yes, his production is terrible. If you don't see the difference between the statements "his production is terrible" and "he is terrible", then that's on you.

Just what are you expecting out of kids in their 19/20 year old seasons on bad teams, honestly? Last year there were how many U-20 players who were over 0.5 ppg? You can pretty much count 'em on your fingers. It's pretty much like that every year. If you're worried that guys who are 20 and under haven't broken out, you'd have to be worried about all but the most advanced youngsters.

Put it this way, people should be as worried about Carlsson's production at this point as they are about, say, Will Smith's.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Just what are you expecting out of kids in their 19/20 year old seasons on bad teams, honestly? Last year there were how many U-20 players who were over 0.5 ppg? You can pretty much count 'em on your fingers. It's pretty much like that every year. If you're worried that guys who are 20 and under haven't broken out, you'd have to be worried about all but the most advanced youngsters.

Put it this way, people should be as worried about Carlsson's production at this point as they are about, say, Will Smith's.

Again, READ. I never said I was worried about Carlsson. I never said he was terrible. I never said he didn't have potential. I never said any of the things you keep making up.

Will Smith is not expected to be a franchise #1C. If he was, then I would be more concerned about his production. As it is, he has twice as many primary 5v5 points as Carlsson right now, so...

 

[FiveTacos]

Again, READ. I never said I was worried about Carlsson. I never said he was terrible.

No just that his production is. But doesn't that imply that he's terrible right now?

I never said he didn't have potential. I never said any of the things you keep making up.

So what's the point then? That a bunch of 19 and 20 year olds haven't broken out? Well that's not exactly revelatory. Very few players that age are carrying the load.

Will Smith is not expected to be a franchise #1C. If he was, then I would be more concerned about his production. As it is, he has twice as many primary 5v5 points as Carlsson right now, so...

So if the Ducks offered Carlsson for Smith you'd say ... no thanks? After all, he's got twice as many primary 5v5 points. Either it means something at this point in their careers or it doesn't.

 

[thebestnic]

what exactly does Zegras do that gives off those vibes? Can you give actual evidence? What does he do differently than other players dont?

His main argument is a whole generation sucks. Pretty sure it's just an old man yelling at clouds situation...

 

[Juxtaposer]

No just that his production is. But doesn't that imply that he's terrible right now?

No. I stated "Carlsson isn't very good right now". That is a far cry from calling him terrible.

So what's the point then? That a bunch of 19 and 20 year olds haven't broken out? Well that's not exactly revelatory. Very few players that age are carrying the load.

The point is that he isn't playing very well, so people aren't talking about the Ducks. That's the answer to the question in the thread title.

So if the Ducks offered Carlsson for Smith you'd say ... no thanks? After all, he's got twice as many primary 5v5 points. Either it means something at this point in their careers or it doesn't.

Where do you come up with this stuff? My god, every single response to anything I post is making up things to claim that I said.

1. Smith's production is better than Carlsson's at even strength this season. That is a fact that I stated. It doesn't mean anything other than the fact that Will Smith's even strength production has been quite a bit better than Leo Carlsson's this season. The reason I brought him up is to emphasize how poor Carlsson's even strength production has been this season, nothing more.

2. If you want to pretend that Carlsson and Smith are the same caliber of player, then be my guest. But the expectations for these two players are vastly different. They were different before the draft, before this season, and now. Smith is performing to expectations this season by being on a 35 point pace without meaningful special teams time as a 19 year old rookie pro. Are you telling me that you feel like Carlsson is performing to expectations this season?

 

[Crazy8oooo]

I'm not sure I buy that argument given OP's question. Detroit didn't get a 1st OA pick. Neither did Ottawa. Montreal got a 1st OA pick in the draft with the biggest question mark in that spot in at least a decade. Columbus has almost legendary poor draft lottery luck.

Not getting a 1st when an elite talent is available hurts, but other rebuilding teams are making noise in similar or worse situations. Other teams are just in bigger hockey markets and have young players who are really standing out (Raymond, Seider, Stutzle, Caufield, Hutson, Marchenko, Voronkov, etc.) in a way that none of Anaheim's are right now.

And yet all of the teams you mentioned are all within 3 points of Anaheim in the standings. That’s some real progress over Anaheim.

 

[thebestnic]

And yet all of the teams you mentioned are all within 3 points of Anaheim in the standings. That’s some real progress over Anaheim.

I have only been boxscore watching but I was under the impression Dostal/Gibson were hiding a lot of issues

 

[FiveTacos]

Are you telling me that you feel like Carlsson is performing to expectations this season?

I guess what it comes down to is that I really don't expect much production out of players that young. Sure it's nice when they break out early, but a lot of high picks still take years to do much.

If you get a few glimpses of talent and high level plays that's fine. But it's unlikely to be more than flashes at this age, and it's certainly not helped by the general lack of scorers on the team. Terry's the only legit top 6 forward on the team, and even he is probably only a 2nd liner on a good team.

 

[LuGBuG]

I have only been boxscore watching but I was under the impression Dostal/Gibson were hiding a lot of issues

At first. Team has been much better defensively the past 15ish games. The stats are definitely skewed from looking the same as last year the first 10-15 then it gradually but slowly improved.