why nobody is talking about the anaheim ducks rebuild?

[bleedgreen]

They’re fine. Just need some more time in the oven. I feel their rebuild went in a different direction under Verbeek which maybe changed the timeline a bit. Still seems likely to get there at some point.

Zegras hate doesn’t make sense to me. At first I thought he was cocky and annoying but once there was enough out there to see his personality it didn’t make any sense to not like him. He’s a funny kid, and his head seems to be in the right place in general. I think he’ll figure it out.

 

[Reality Czech]

I agree with this take.

It’s weird how it’s always complaints about how hockey players have boring personalities, and don’t do enough to grow the game. And then someone like Z shows up and everybody is just «Yeah, don’t be like that».

And then it doesn’t help that Cronin seems to kill all of the flair of of his game, even though it makes him better on the defense.

What even is Duck-fans thoughts around Cronin these days?

We want players to have fun and interesting personalities, not annoying ones

 

[LuGBuG]

Let’s just keep us off the main board please and thank you. Let us be in peace.

 

[LuGBuG]

They’re fine. Just need some more time in the oven. I feel their rebuild went in a different direction under Verbeek which maybe changed the timeline a bit. Still seems likely to get there at some point.

Zegras hate doesn’t make sense to me. At first I thought he was cocky and annoying but once there was enough out there to see his personality it didn’t make any sense to not like him. He’s a funny kid, and his head seems to be in the right place in general. I think he’ll figure it out.

This is it. This post right here is exactly it.

 

[LuGBuG]

Basically our start to the season was nightmare fuel and us ducks fans were rattled. We sucked in our own zone again, sucked offensively again and Dostal was playing unbelievable to keep us in games. No one could score at all. Everyone grew very sour on Cronin.

Fast forward 15-20 games and things have changed. We look pretty decent. Our advanced stats are skewed from our miserable start. We have improved immensely in our own zone. The offense is still leaving a lot to be desired but when Zegras gets back it should really help. He’s getting shit on for his slow statistical start but he was our most dangerous player through the teams offensive slump and was starting to put up points.

We have Defense that are really emerging and now solid vets for each pairing that compliment each other. Last 10 games we’ve averaged under 28 shots per game which is a massive improvement.

I’m thinking the team stays competitive in the second half but most likely falls short. If the offense comes alive with our goaltending and the way our Defense has played lately keeps up we could be an interesting team to follow in the second half.

Keep in mind how young this group is and while some of the offense may still be dry at times, the group we are relying on aren’t even close to entering any primes and while we have struggles at times they show glimpses of what experience is going to bring them.

Hopefully they keep this play up. They really seem like they’ve turned a corner for the most part.

 

[qc14]

They don't get enough criticism for basically being Detroit West.

Been not just bad but really bad for much longer than you remember, haven't had the most lottery luck but also haven't done quite as well as they should have with their draft capital, pro scouting a really mixed bag, back to back head coaches that have really sucked.

 

[LuGBuG]

They don't get enough criticism for basically being Detroit West.

Been not just bad but really bad for much longer than you remember, haven't had the most lottery luck but also haven't done quite as well as they should have with their draft capital, pro scouting a really mixed bag, back to back head coaches that have really sucked.

I haven’t seen us make any picks since we’ve been really really bad that are on track to not work out. Carlsson is at exactly .5 PPG in his young career and just turned a week ago. Not too mention the other facets of the game he has all the intangibles to be successful at. McTavish while he has struggled this year has been much better as of late and was really good last year. No young player screams bust or remotely close to that at this point.

Some of our later picks like Lacombe (who is playing fantastic and is tied for 4th in Dman goals) and Zellweger (shown glimpses of dominating offensive play) have excelled as well.

We are going to be a problem for the rest of the league. Patience is all that’s needed with this group even though I wouldn’t hate a new coach either but no chance that’s happening this season if it hasn’t already especially with how much better our play has been the last 15ish games.

 

[qc14]

I haven’t seen us make any picks since we’ve been really really bad that are on track to not work out. Carlsson is at exactly .5 PPG in his young career and just turned a week ago. Not too mention the other facets of the game he has all the intangibles to be successful at. McTavish while he has struggled this year has been much better as of late and was really good last year. No young player screams bust or remotely close to that at this point.

Some of our later picks like Lacombe (who is playing fantastic and is tied for 4th in Dman goals) and Zellweger (shown glimpses of dominating offensive play) have excelled as well.

We are going to be a problem for the rest of the league. Patience is all that’s needed with this group even though I wouldn’t hate a new coach either but no chance that’s happening this season if it hasn’t already especially with how much better our play has been the last 15ish games.

I think the Jacob Perrault and Brayden Tracey picks were really really bad but obviously not back-breaking. The Drysdale pick wasn't great but either but getting Gauthier out of it is good. It's not that any of the picks have been really really bad though but more that none have been really really good. Out of Zegras, McTavish, Carlsson, and Sennecke is there a 1c or 1w on a contender? I think the jury is still out on the last two especially, but I don't think it's certain or even likely. That's not exactly what you want out of picks 9, 3, 2, and 3. Are Drysdale or Mintyukov a 1d on a contender? I think highly of Mintyukov but he still as a ways to go and Drysdale certainly isn't.

I also will give them credit -- unlike Detroit they have found some nice pieces in later rounds with Zellweger and LaCombe.

 

[LuGBuG]

I think the Jacob Perrault and Brayden Tracey picks were really really bad but obviously not back-breaking. The Drysdale pick wasn't great but either but getting Gauthier out of it is good. It's not that any of the picks have been really really bad though but more that none have been really really good. Out of Zegras, McTavish, Carlsson, and Sennecke is there a 1c or 1w on a contender? I think the jury is still out on the last two especially, but I don't think it's certain or even likely. That's not exactly what you want out of picks 9, 3, 2, and 3. Are Drysdale or Mintyukov a 1d on a contender? I think highly of Mintyukov but he still as a ways to go and Drysdale certainly isn't.

I also will give them credit -- unlike Detroit they have found some nice pieces in later rounds with Zellweger and LaCombe.

Carlsson is 100% going to be a #1 center. The jury will be out on any player until he actually performs in the NHL (Sennecke). Zegras and McTavish one of them will be a great #2 center while they are both versatile enough to play wing as well.

Drysdale has the talent but injury issues seems to of hampered his development but he still has time. It’s Irrelevant now as Cutter fell into our lap and looks like he will be very fine player.

The Perrault and Tracy picks sucked no doubt but both those picks were end of the first round and while it would’ve been huge to hit one, it’s a lot more of a crapshoot.

 

[mattyboy]

Dostal is the only bright spot.
The rest are either constantly injured or not progressing.

 

[amikaro]

Carlssons been very disappointing this season, but I’ll let Ducks fans chime in on why he’s got such a lacklustre season this far. Really thought MacTavish would be something, but nope.

Kinda weird how the Sharks are so much more interesting

Can't agree more. I had high expectations for McTavish. And the Sharks are so much more interesting.

One reason were their contracts and big names they had to move (Burns, Karlsson, Meier, Hertl). Another reason might be the vacuum Couture left open ... players stepped in and grew quickly (Zetterlund, Kostin). It seems they progress much faster.

Anaheim made some interesting moves but their development and culture didn't deliver (yet). Chances are there, they bust and end up being Sabres-like.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

I see threads about the wings, habs rebuild issues and nobody has brought up Anaheim..

I think this team is gonna be good. They have a lot of young skillful forwards and some good young d-men.

Discuss.

But are they going to be SCARY in a few years?

 

[LuGBuG]

But are they going to be SCARY in a few years?

Villages better up their fire protection.

 

[nturn06]

I see threads about the wings, habs rebuild issues and nobody has brought up Anaheim..

I think this team is gonna be good. They have a lot of young skillful forwards and some good young d-men.

Discuss.

Maybe it is because they do not have, according to some people, one of the nest GM's in hockey.

 

[darkwingduck]

I thought Zegras was finally figuring it out when he had the mcl injury.

 

[Mr Rogers]

They have been around longer then the sharks and they got a couple of those threads already.

The Sharks are the older franchise

 

[MVP of West Hollywd]

Because they might still suck.

 

[Rcknrollkillnmachine]

Those orange jerseys are beautiful.

Zegras is known for a Michigan goal and hair style. Ship him out. (edit: he can become a fine complimentary piece if put in the right position to succeed I think).

Carlsson will be the face of the franchise that will come back stronger if they ditch Cronin for a better, more experienced coach.

Anaheim are going to be a sneaky good team in a few years I reckon.

 

[forever1922]

Don't be fooled by the points, it's all goaltending.

Trouba might help keep guys accountable, which I think is why you're seeing more positive results, despite the metrics showing their play to be just as bad. At least generally there is pretty good effort by the Ducks but they just get outplayed most games and chase the puck around. I think they finish this season much worse than current standings.

But it's not all bad. There are too many guys who will improve for them to be bad much longer: Zegras, Gauthier, Carlsson, McTavish, Sennecke, 1st rounder of 2025, LaCombe, Zellweger, Mintyukov, Helleson, Dostal.

They also have plenty of cap space to bring in short term help.

 

[Rebels57]

The rebrand killed them

Seriously. Those orange uni's are hideous.

Same layout but with the traditional teal/eggplant is all they need. Not sure why they decided to commit to orange. It really only works for the Flyers as a primary color.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Because the vets and the goaltending are the ones driving team success, and not the kids. Terry, Vatrano, and Strome are the only guys scoring at a respectable rate.

Leo Carlsson has one single primary assist in 33 games. He's got just 8 goals in 33 games while shooting 18.2%, so he's significantly over his expected goal total. He's on pace for 37 total points while posting some of the worst on-ice metrics and a 39% faceoff percentage.

McTavish isn't very good. Zegras can't stay healthy and isn't very good. Mintyukov has been a healthy scratch. Gauthier has been solid but seems like close to a finished product.

That isn't to say that they can't pull it together, the talent is there. But the only reason they've improved in the standings this year is the vets and the goaltending. Not exactly what you want to see if you're a re-building team. I suppose Dostal is a pretty good future piece, but he's the only one performing to expectation.

That's why no one is talking about the Ducks' rebuild.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Dostal looks good.
Carlsson looks good.
Minty and Zellweger looks promising.
McTavish and Zegras have obvious talent.
Gauthier has potential.
etc.

Nothing to complain about the Ducks' rebuild.

You forgot about Trouba.

 

[FiveTacos]

I think the Jacob Perrault and Brayden Tracey picks were really really bad but obviously not back-breaking.

Those weren't high picks, they were late 1sts. The hit rate for scoring forwards on those is very low in general ... I did a look at a 10 year span and found that in that 20-32 pick range, there were 11 top 6 forwards picked in total.

The Drysdale pick wasn't great but either but getting Gauthier out of it is good. It's not that any of the picks have been really really bad though but more that none have been really really good. Out of Zegras, McTavish, Carlsson, and Sennecke is there a 1c or 1w on a contender?

Kind of early on all of them outside of Zegras, are we really making that call when the other guys are 18-21 years old? All those guys have shown promise though, it's not like they have a bunch of Kakkos who haven't done anything.

I also will give them credit -- unlike Detroit they have found some nice pieces in later rounds with Zellweger and LaCombe.

Even without a clear 1D emerging yet, they do have at the moment four young dmen who are clearly NHL capable. It's pretty nice to be in a position as a rebuilding team to know your D is largely solid going forward, and G is totally settled. And of course they have multiple prospects on the blueline who are still on the way (Luneau, Solberg, Smith) who would be some teams' best D prospect.

 

[KeyserSoze81]

Just accumulate a bunch of kids, bring in some journeymen token older guys, wait for the kids to flame out in the listless structure, and then restart. Maybe it turns out fine, but why should anyone care about a rebuild until it generates results?

With the way contracts are structured and the long development cycle, everything moves at a glacial pace. Prepare for pain and irrelevance, and just remember the good old days when Chris Pronger was giving CTE to half of the forwards in the league (and apparently himself).

 

[HanSolo]

Because the vets and the goaltending are the ones driving team success, and not the kids. Terry, Vatrano, and Strome are the only guys scoring at a respectable rate.

Leo Carlsson has one single primary assist in 33 games. He's got just 8 goals in 33 games while shooting 18.2%, so he's significantly over his expected goal total. He's on pace for 37 total points while posting some of the worst on-ice metrics and a 39% faceoff percentage.

McTavish isn't very good. Zegras can't stay healthy and isn't very good. Mintyukov has been a healthy scratch. Gauthier has been solid but seems like close to a finished product.

That isn't to say that they can't pull it together, the talent is there. But the only reason they've improved in the standings this year is the vets and the goaltending. Not exactly what you want to see if you're a re-building team. I suppose Dostal is a pretty good future piece, but he's the only one performing to expectation.

That's why no one is talking about the Ducks' rebuild.

Based on what?