Why is McDavid so little known outside of hockey?

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Eh, debatable, Michael Jackson at some point transcended from being famous into being like almost a "walking god" like figure where people would just faint on sight of him and he'd only meet like heads of state and things like that. And OK, Taylor Swift is one big star, but where are the others?

In the past it wasn't just him but Madonna, Prince, Whitney Houston, Britney Spears, Nirvana, Guns N' Roses, shit even Eminen etc. etc. etc. The music industry no longer can create and market superstars in the same way they used to. Neither can Hollywood.

Not a big surprise sports can't either, least of all the piddly little NHL.

I mean you’re pretty much just ignoring current stars. You don’t think Drake is more famous than Guns N’ Roses? Based on what?

Also GnR, Nirvana, Britney Spears are from three different eras. By that logic, Eminem belongs in the same group as Taylor Swift.
 

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because most people dont give a shit about hockey. I figure its cause the sport is too fast for them. cant keep their eye's on the puck. prob why Fox back in the day added blue lines for passes and red for shots

also people dont understand the hitting or fighting.

guy at work argued with me to the death that if LeBron James wanted to play hockey in the NHL> all teams in the NHL would offer him a contract, he even said max contract too. because its an easy to play sport. lol

Bland boring No personality No charisma and in this day and page more and more people are only exposed to whats in their bubble

Just a few days ago i was watching somethign about the NBA and i had never even heard the name of who they called the best player in the league, its gets zero coverage in the paper tv news where i live
I couldnt answer that question and its all over the news and everywhere I look. ur either into it, or ur not
 

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I mean you’re pretty much just ignoring current stars. You don’t think Drake is more famous than Guns N’ Roses? Based on what?

Also GnR, Nirvana, Britney Spears are from three different eras. By that logic, Eminem belongs in the same group as Taylor Swift.

I think Drake is popular sure, but he is not on the same level as say ... Eminem circa 20 years ago. That's not his fault, it's just the media landscape has changed too much, the internet and social media has watered down celebrity in general.

Every one of the modern comparables to yesterday's huge stars almost across the board is less popular.

LeBron is no Michael Jordan, good luck golf with manufacturing another Tiger Woods. It only stands to reason that NHL hockey, which could never market anyone for shit to begin with has never had a star as big as Gretzky.

If the music business, film and television and even the NBA are struggling to create new stars, what realistic expectation is there for the NHL? People need to be realistic.
 
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Playing in a US market that would track, he's still virtually unknown to most sports fans in the US. As I said, Gatorade actively cuts him out of their commercials in the US because no one will know who he is. In Canada we get the same commercials but with Crosby re-spliced into them because he's known here.

There is no hockey player that's ever broken out as a mainstream marketing draw in the US, Gretzky is about as good as it got and Gretzky was a tiny fraction of the popularity of a Jordan or Magic or Bird or Tiger or Tyson.



No hockey player does. Gretzky as good as it gets for hockey in that regard and he was like a B/C-list level of popularity in the US at his peak, no where close to a Jordan or even Magic/Bird. Shaq was like 1000x more popular than Gretzky at his peak, shit a Penny Hardaway was more popular in his hey day than Gretzky or any hockey player ever has been.

Caitlyn Clark probably already is more famous in the US than any hockey player that has ever lived.
While not exactly a household name, Crosby along with Ovechkin are definitely known by the average sports fan in the US.
 

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While not exactly a household name, Crosby along with Ovechkin are definitely known by the average sports fan in the US.

They're really not. There's a reason Gatorade cuts Crosby out of their US nationwide commercials.

Crosby is maybe like about as popular as a C-tier NBA star, a James Harden for sure is more well known than Crosby in the US, Crosby is like maaaaaaaybe Kawhi Leonard tier and that might be being generous.

Crosby has never really had a big marketing deal push in the US with really any of the big brands, McDonalds? Nope. Coca-Cola? Nope. Nike or Adidas? Not really. Ovechkin had a small marketing campaign with ... Snickers, lol.
 

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One word:

Edmonton.

Gretzky didn't become a household name (outside of Canada) until he was in LA.

One word:

Hockey.

Hockey is a niche sport that is irrelevant in the world outside of 3 or 4 countries.

Thats an insane belief. You really think sports media, let alone social media, wouldn't know or care about a generational talent making an active case for being the greatest of all time while winning three cups in a row? People care about completely irrelevant shit like Swimming and Gymnastics when someone is making a case for being the GOAT. Lewis Hamilton and Max Verstappen have grown F1 considerably just through their presence alone. McDavid would be a huge name in sports if he three-peated in Edmonton.
lol... swimming is a sport that absolutely shits all over hockey from a popularity and interest standpoint. Same goes for gymnastics. Having athletes like Phelps, Thorpe, Biles and Comaneci just amplifies the interest in them from the casual fan because legends transcend popular sports and enter the cultural zeitgeist.

Hockey gets outdrawn by bowling and darts and dog conformation in the United States. It is, by far, the least popular major sport on a global scale. It is run by a bunch of old, regressive clowns who operate on nepotism and think that choosing a white supremacist to perform at an All-Star game is a great idea.
 
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Not a particularly outgoing personality. No cup no golden goal. I suspect Crosby has more recognition. Of course ours is a niche sport with the average American only knowing Gretzky because of his huge separation from peers putting him among a few athletes ever.
 

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I think Drake is popular sure, but he is not on the same level as say ... Eminem circa 20 years ago. That's not his fault, it's just the media landscape has changed too much, the internet and social media has watered down celebrity in general.

I don’t remember Eminem being significantly more popular than Drake. Em had bigger albums, partly because he peaked at a time when people were still buying full albums (CDs) and partly because he was actually into albums as a concept. But if you look at individual songs that charted high, the general presence of the artist in mainstream music, Drake blows Eminem out of the water. Eminem was more controversial so he got more attention, but that doesn’t equal having more fans or sales.

Of course it’s hard to quantify popularity, but subjectively in my experience they were both the “big popular mainstream rapper” for a period of time. People who listened to rap had strong opinions on them, people who didn’t listen to rap all knew who they were and could probably give you a song title or two at a minimum. Neither of them were on the Jackson/Swift level of next level fame, but they were both household names in pretty much the same way. I don’t see the difference you’re asserting here.

Every one of the modern comparables to yesterday's huge stars almost across the board is less popular.

LeBron is no Michael Jordan, good luck golf with manufacturing another Tiger Woods. It only stands to reason that NHL hockey, which could never market anyone for shit to begin with has never had a star as big as Gretzky.

I think this does apply to certain things like specific TV shows and movies, because people aren’t consuming media the same way they used to.

Not really buying it for celebrities, though. We can argue whether LeBron is at Jordan’s level as GOAT, but find me any person who doesn’t recognize the name LeBron. Old ladies and small children know him the same way they knew Jordan. The difference between them is that Mike was way better looking and a lot more charismatic, so he ended up having iconic media moments where LeBron falls flat. Same thing with Tiger — golf was struggling with a generational decline in popularity until this good-looking Blasian guy set the record book on fire. He was a blip, not a pattern, like Caitlyn Clark blowing up in a sport that was otherwise obscure. In between, the Williams sisters blew up in women’s tennis which had nothing like them before and won’t after. Those bursts of celebrity don’t occur in any particular pattern.

Gretzky was just Gretzky. He could’ve come along at any time, he happened to come along at that particular time. It’s not like he was boosted by some sort of crazy hockey popularity in the early 80s, he actually overcame the UNpopularity of the sport at that time.
 

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They're really not. There's a reason Gatorade cuts Crosby out of their US nationwide commercials.

Crosby is maybe like about as popular as a C-tier NBA star, a James Harden for sure is more well known than Crosby in the US, Crosby is like maaaaaaaybe Kawhi Leonard tier and that might be being generous.

Crosby has never really had a big marketing deal push in the US with really any of the big brands, McDonalds? Nope. Coca-Cola? Nope. Nike or Adidas? Not really. Ovechkin had a small marketing campaign with ... Snickers, lol.
A Gatorade commercial is for the absolute most famous household names. He's known by most sports fans for sure. If you ask anyone under 40 to name a hockey player it's likely Crosby or Ovechkin
 

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Mario didn't have much of a mainstream footprint either.

Other than gretzky, I don't think anyone transcended the sport to a significant degree.

I don't know what it would take to have that gretzky power. Perhaps someone has to smash gretzky's records the same way he smashed his predecessors. It's an unfathomable concept though.
 

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One word:

Hockey.

Hockey is a niche sport that is irrelevant in the world outside of 3 or 4 countries.


lol... swimming is a sport that absolutely shits all over hockey from a popularity and interest standpoint. Same goes for gymnastics. Having athletes like Phelps, Thorpe, Biles and Comaneci just amplifies the interest in them from the casual fan because legends transcend popular sports and enter the cultural zeitgeist.

Hockey gets outdrawn by bowling and darts and dog conformation in the United States. It is, by far, the least popular major sport on a global scale. It is run by a bunch of old, regressive clowns who operate on nepotism and think that choosing a white supremacist to perform at an All-Star game is a great idea.
You're getting participation mixed up with popularity. Obviously Swimming has higher participation rates than Hockey does. Hockey is the most inaccessible sport in the world, while Swimming is one of the most accessible. I was a swimmer, and not a hockey player, for that very reason. But Swimming really has no popularity at all outside of Phelps when it comes to culture and viewership, other than *maybe* Ledecky. You probably have never even heard of the ISL and for good reason. People probably know more who like, Jack Hughes is than they know who Caeleb Dressel or Lily King are.
 
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Zero personality at least publicly. He doesn't do anything memorable or exciting outside the actual games, which not that many watch. Not being able to play best on best international hockey also doesn't help.

A really famous hockey player does not exist. He would have to be a Conor McGregor type loudmouth hype machine and be miles better than anyone else to even have a chance.
 
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Zero personality plays in Siberia has a blasphemous nickname. Dude sucks for a mega star. Will be shameful if Draisaitl wastes his career there as well.

Sid the kid won quickly scoring was lower back then but his teams were in the mix after a couple years. This finals run took McDavid 9 years to build up to?
 

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No Olympics, no late-night talk shows, no exposure.

Also, I doubt there will ever be another Wayne Gretzky. He not only was the best player of all-time, but graciously took on role of champion of the sport in his free time. He put in hours of work off the ice, doing SNL, running the late-night gauntlet, commercials, etc.
 

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Hockey is a niche sport and ranks in the 5-10 range of popular sports in most markets outside of the established hockey markets.
Then why is it even with the NBA for attendance? Hockeys pro league is hardly lacrosse even if the sports are even in terms of youth participation and probably NCAA interest and attendance.

The NHL is a well marketed product. McDavid is an exception given how good he is. Probably won’t slip any more than baseball will. NFL is king NBA has marketing and star power down but the league isn’t perfect. Hockeys up next.
 
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That's mostly it. It isn't Edmonton, everyone has the internet now and gets exposed to all kinds of athletes. It isn't his very bland personality, plenty of stars in sports (Brady, Messi, Ronaldo, James) are as bland as can be, or worse in some cases. It's that the NHL has done such a poor job of promoting the sport for decades.

You always get people who think they are smarter than the masses and who claim that Bettman and company have actually done a good job because franchise values have gone up, as if that isn't the case in every single established sport. The NHL has lost ground to other leagues and hockey has lost ground to other sports, in USA and even in Canada. Hockey has less cultural currency now so its biggest star gets less too.
Brady won 6 championships, Messi and Ronaldo won everything in the most popular sport in the world, Lebron James is litterally King Kong playing basketball and the media follows him everywhere...

You can't really compare any of them with McDavid. He has no presence anywhere outside of the hockey games he plays in and hasn't won anything. He's a super introverted kid that doesn't seem to care much about his own brand exposure and/or isn't willing to dance like a monkey in front of cameras or on social media like some other athletes.

I'm sure Connor is perfectly fine with the exposure he has and if he wanted more it would only take a little effort on his part with the tools of 2024.
 

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They're really not. There's a reason Gatorade cuts Crosby out of their US nationwide commercials.

Crosby is maybe like about as popular as a C-tier NBA star, a James Harden for sure is more well known than Crosby in the US, Crosby is like maaaaaaaybe Kawhi Leonard tier and that might be being generous.

Crosby has never really had a big marketing deal push in the US with really any of the big brands, McDonalds? Nope. Coca-Cola? Nope. Nike or Adidas? Not really. Ovechkin had a small marketing campaign with ... Snickers, lol.

Crosby had a 6 year global contract with Adidas
 

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Caitlin Clark.

Plays in one of the WNBA's smallest markets...Indianapolis!

Yet is a megastar in the league -- and beyond sports.

A small U.S. market hasn't hampered her at all, right?

And...her league just signed a huge tv deal. Just think if she were in NY, LA, Chicago, right?
 
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