Why is Crosby considered a clutch SCF performer?

[daver]

The phrase "positioning his team to not get to the point where a series is on the line" is so vague I don't even know what you mean by it. Are you saying he scored key goals in such games? Because I don't recall many examples of this and couldn't find many either.

Clutch is when a player produces in a critical moment of a game. Critical meaning there is pressure during these moments due to the game being in the balance. A lot of things can influence the outcome of a game without necessarily feeling like a critical moment at the time. If you omit the pressure component when defining clutch, you can justify any player being clutch by giving butterfly effect anecdotal situations. I'm not interested in going down that kind of rabbit hole. We all know what we mean when we use the word "clutch".

I agree with the last paragraph as far as him not being a notable clutch SCF performer not taking anything away from his reputation as the best player of his era.

Well the OP is not clear on what they mean by "clutch". Seems clear that total points in the SCF is considered "clutch", not necessarily those scored in specific times of game or series, so if you want to argue he isn't "clutch" in the SCF, then he is the hands down clutchest player in the other rounds.

If you want to argue your definition of clutch, then I would question the value of placing that label on someone in comparison to Crosby, who as mentioned above, has scored the most valuable playoff points of his era, and as noted in the above breakdown, context is needed when looking at his SCF point totals.

 

[Coffey]

Why does everyone think this is McDavid based?
I didn't even have any McDavid discussions with anyone on HF before making this thread.

 

[Video Nasty]

Would love to have seen mcdavids stats in 2009 going against a prime lidstrom, zetterberg and rafalski on his ass every shift while playing with guerin n kunitz

Crosby set the bar so low that clearing it wouldn’t be much of a challenge.

 

[daver]

Why does everyone think this is McDavid based?
I didn't even have any McDavid discussions with anyone on HF before making this thread.

Because it is, at best, a strawman thread about a player who contributed the most to the team who was the most successful of his era (most playoff wins, 3 Cups, 1 EC Championship).

 

[Coffey]

Because it is, at best, a strawman thread about a player who contributed the most to the team who was the most successful of his era (most playoff wins, 3 Cups, 1 EC Championship).

Yea he did contribute to those, but my argument is that he wasn't as offensively dominant or clutch as his CS wins might dictate.

I gave my stats in the first post. They make him seem underwhelming in the finals, despite me mentioning in this thread that he's already a legendary player and this doesn't take away from that, just making discussion about his lackluster point production.

 

[daver]

Yea he did contribute to those, but my argument is that he wasn't as offensively dominant or clutch as his CS wins might dictate.

I gave my stats in the first post. They make him seem underwhelming in the finals, despite me mentioning in this thread that he's already a legendary player and this doesn't take away from that, just making discussion about his lackluster point production.

All around play/defensive play is considered in CS wins as is play in the other three rounds.

Weird to make this argument for 2017 when he was the clear best offensive Pen. Oh, I guess points in the Cup clinching game only matter.

But what about 2016? O wait, I guess points in the games that lead up to the Cup clinching game only matter.

 

[Coffey]

All around play/defensive play is considered in CS wins as is play in the other three rounds.

Weird to make this argument for 2017 when he was the clear best offensive Pen. Oh, I guess points in the Cup clinching game only matter.

But what about 2016? O wait, I guess points in the games that lead up to the Cup clinching game only matter.

I'll give him 2017, he was the highest scorer in the finals racking up a bunch of apples.
But in 2016 he was outscored by Couture and Letang.
And I'd rather not mention 2009.

 

[blundluntman]

Well the OP is not clear on what they mean by "clutch". Seems clear that total points in the SCF is considered "clutch", not necessarily those scored in specific times of game or series, so if you want to argue he isn't "clutch" in the SCF, then he is the hands down clutchest player in the other rounds.

If you want to argue your definition of clutch, then I would question the value of placing that label on someone in comparison to Crosby, who as mentioned above, has scored the most valuable playoff points of his era, and as noted in the above breakdown, context is needed when looking at his SCF point totals.

All I can do is speak for myself and contribute to the thread. How others define clutch is up to them

 

[PaulD]

Yes, sorry Toews. Corrected.


This is true, as well as without some of those role players they had over the years they wouldn't have won all of them either.

Yes, Ill say it again. It's a team game especially come play offs. A 200 ft game. Where stars don't cheat on defence to go on offence.
Ya need everybody pulling on the rope.
That's how Sid and the Pens won 3 cups.
It's also why Leafs can't win 3 rounds.

Nit bashing the leafs .....
just the best example.

 

[daver]

I'll give him 2017, he was the highest scorer in the finals racking up a bunch of apples.
But in 2016 he was outscored by Couture and Letang.
And I'd rather not mention 2009.

I am sure that mentioning 2009 in the Crosby household is a huge faux pas.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

I'll give him 2017, he was the highest scorer in the finals racking up a bunch of apples.
But in 2016 he was outscored by Couture and Letang.
And I'd rather not mention 2009.

Crosby assisted on the game winner in 2 out of the 4 games in the finals. And he scored the game winner in like 3 of the 4 games in the Lightning series in the ECF. Is that not clutch?

You seem to be going back and forth between "clutch" and "most productive". They're not the same. Someone scoring 8 points in a series, but all 8 come in his team's losses is not more "clutch" than someone who only scores 4 points in a series but all 4 are game winning goals.

 

[BJCOLLINS]

There’s no stat line for effort, heart & compete.

Sid has never had stud finishers like Kurri or Hull for a sustained period of time, how many 50 goal scoring wingers has he had? Throughout his career he’s made all the players around him better, always driving the play & often being the finisher.

Rings are your best stat line