Why is Crosby considered a clutch SCF performer?

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In 2009 he had 2 assists in the finals and zero points in games 5-7, including the SC winning game.

In 2016 he had 4 assists in the finals and zero points in games 3-5. Two of his four assists in the SC winning game.

In 2017 he finally scored a goal in the finals coupled with 6 assists with zero points in the SC winning game.

Is there a reason why this propaganda floats around that he’s a dependable clutch player in the finals?
Maybe because he got gifted two Conn Smythe's.

Yes we can agree he was among the Penguins best players, but its quite clear that Malkin should have had a second Conn Smythe and Phil Kessel should have had one. Only reason Kessel didn't win is because of him having a reputation as lazy and being a carefree hot dog eating lunchbox.

It's sad that politics ruined the voting process.
It's the same with the 2010 Olympics thing where he gets the hype for scoring "the goal" when Iginla worked his ass of for the goal and Jonathan Toews was the best player all tournament and not just pop-up in the final.
That being said, that team could afford not being on top all the time as their structure and defensive play was so much better than any of the other teams. Kudos Mike Babcock.
 
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Asking him to dumb it down for you .....after he already did. lol
You don't actually think he means that the NHL in 09, 16, and 17 were equivalent to the DPE, right?

Because I suspect that McDavid would have been able to score in the NHL in 2016 and 2017 as well. Given how he won the scoring title in 2017 and whatnot. And the scoring wasn't low in 09.
 

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Sid’s performance in Game 5 of the 2017 finals is one of the greatest single game performances of his career. Put the team on his back.
 
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Crosby has 4 goals in 25 SCF matches in his career. He is objectively a bad cup final goal scorer, matched with low overall point production in the finals, it makes it real hard to say he’s good in the finals.
 
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Maybe because he got gifted two Conn Smythe's.

Yes we can agree he was among the Penguins best players, but its quite clear that Malkin should have had a second Conn Smythe and Phil Kessel should have had one. Only reason Kessel didn't win is because of him having a reputation as lazy and being a carefree hot dog eating lunchbox.

It's sad that politics ruined the voting process.
It's the same with the 2010 Olympics thing where he gets the hype for scoring "the goal" when Iginla worked his ass of for the goal and Patrice Bergeron was the best player all tournament and not just pop-up in the final.
That being said, that team could afford not being on top all the time as their structure and defensive play was so much better than any of the other teams. Kudos Mike Babcock.

How so? It is pretty accepted that Malkin wracked up an unusual amount of 2nd assists in their easy first round win against the Jackets. After that, Crosby was clearly their best player.

Crosby has 4 goals in 25 SCF matches in his career. He is objectively a bad cup final goal scorer, matched with low overall point production in the finals, it makes it real hard to say he’s good in the finals.

So McDavid's 8 goals in 25 games last year meant he was only average?
 

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I don't remember ever hearing people describe Crosby this way to a noteworthy degree. He's mostly derided for his finals performances, fairly or not.

Maybe because he got gifted two Conn Smythe's.

Yes we can agree he was among the Penguins best players, but its quite clear that Malkin should have had a second Conn Smythe and Phil Kessel should have had one. Only reason Kessel didn't win is because of him having a reputation as lazy and being a carefree hot dog eating lunchbox.

It's sad that politics ruined the voting process.
It's the same with the 2010 Olympics thing where he gets the hype for scoring "the goal" when Iginla worked his ass of for the goal and Patrice Bergeron was the best player all tournament and not just pop-up in the final.
That being said, that team could afford not being on top all the time as their structure and defensive play was so much better than any of the other teams. Kudos Mike Babcock.

What alternate reality have I stumbled into? Malkin definitely didn't deserve a second Conn Smythe and Bergeron got hurt in the first game of the 2010 Olympics and was the most irrelevant player on the team.
 

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How so? It is pretty accepted that Malkin wracked up an unusual amount of 2nd assists in their easy first round win against the Jackets. After that, Crosby was clearly their best player.
He clearly was not.
We can agree to disagree, its okay. I don't mind.

There is the argument there to say he was better in the Finals vs. Nashville which is okay.
But overall throughout the four rounds, I don't think there is argument for that he was clearly better. At best up towards equal. It's not a huge "robbery" per se, but Malkin was robbed of his 2nd Conn Smythe in my opinion.

Malkin had more goals, more points, better in even strength overall (more goals, better plus/minus, Crosby had more assists), more power play points, a short handed point, more blocks and more hits, while playing on average a minute and 20 seconds less per game. Which in the finals Crosby was playing 3 more minutes per game than him.

The argument of heavier load, it goes to a degree, but to me there is two things. I don't think Malkin would be much worse of with the "heavier load" and I don't think Crosby did enough offensively with the argument. If he going to be top 5 all time as some say, he also need to score more vs. those opponents than he did to earn that accolade. I think some of his effort is perceived better than it was.

There is a pretty good chance given their opponents faced that if the ice time was even, Malkin again would have a bigger points lead than 1 point.

Make no mistake, I'm all for Crosby being among the teams best players, but I don't personally think that in either of his 3 cup wins, he has been "the one" where he clearly stood out as the best. For sure he was good and among the best and because of them having a better team that most pretend them to have had, he won 3 cups as a very important piece of it.
 

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You don't actually think he means that the NHL in 09, 16, and 17 were equivalent to the DPE, right?

Because I suspect that McDavid would have been able to score in the NHL in 2016 and 2017 as well. Given how he won the scoring title in 2017 and whatnot. And the scoring wasn't low in 09.
But even he great Connor McDavid couldn't score a goal in games 5 6 and 7 in the finals .....gonna shit all over him eight years from now too.
Pens have 3 cups since 09. Without Sid they would have won none of those.
It's a team game ...... no more so than when going on a long play off run..
 

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Bergeron got hurt in the first game of the 2010 Olympics
Yes, sorry Toews. Corrected.

Pens have 3 cups since 09. Without Sid they would have won none of those.
It's a team game ...... no more so than when going on a long play off run..
This is true, as well as without some of those role players they had over the years they wouldn't have won all of them either.
 

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You don't actually think he means that the NHL in 09, 16, and 17 were equivalent to the DPE, right?

Because I suspect that McDavid would have been able to score in the NHL in 2016 and 2017 as well. Given how he won the scoring title in 2017 and whatnot. And the scoring wasn't low in 09.
Still, it was also a hell of a lot harder to score from 09-17 than it has been since 17/18 if only for the significant goalie gear size reduction.
 

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