Why is Boston such a good organization?

[Nothingbutglass]

Leafs fans making fun of other teams failures .

 

[jgatie]

Again, you're not argueing on the subject, you're deflecting to labels. Even if I did, which I haven't, used the term, "Daddy Campbell", what difference does it make to the discussion?

So the Bruins had the 6th highest penalties against in 22/23. They also have the 4th highest powerplay opportunities for. You have to give both stats to discredit my prior statement.

Your analysis is silly. Do you really think the refs are throwing games by calling penalties relatively evenly between the Bruins and their opponents? Or as you stated before, by calling more penalties than 25 or so other teams, but not as many as could be called? That's absurd. The only way they could definitively give the Bruins an edge is by giving them far more man advantages than penalties against, something even your numbers state isn't happening.

 

[NDiesel]

Make whatever excuses help you sleep at night, everyone knows the bruins have the officials in their back pockets.

I’m pretty sure I made my post back in November, so whatever is happening this year isn’t what I was talking about, but the refs have ways to manage games and give out meaningless penalties to the bruins that won’t hurt them too much

"Make whatever excuse helps you sleep at night"

Goes on to make a baseless excuse even though they're constantly top 5 most penalized....but hey whatever helps you sleep at night

 

[TurboLemon]

Your analysis is silly. Do you really think the refs are throwing games by calling penalties relatively evenly between the Bruins and their opponents? Or as you stated before, by calling more penalties than 25 or so other teams, but not as many as could be called? That's absurd. The only way they could definitively give the Bruins an edge is by giving them far more man advantages than penalties against, something even your numbers state isn't happening.

What's silly is ignoring game management like it doesn't exist.

The difference between the most penalized team and the least penalized team is 121 penalties. That averages out to 1.5 penalties a game. You think that a rebuilding team full of grinders or a team full of cheap shot artists will only deserve 1.5 more penalties per game more than a well disciplined skill team?

Ignoring facts, jumping to labels, deflecting.

 

[Leafs87]

I think this is more of a recent success thread? Not looking to crap, but they had their struggles in the 90s and 2000s

Albeit they’re in a different position now, but SJS and Detroit had more consistent success

 

[Honour Over Glory]

They trusted his African American agent more than they should have. They should have remembered that even though he was black, he was acting as an agent.

I mean you got that entirely wrong. He hired one of us as his agent so he would look sympathetic and "matured" from an incident that he lied about getting counselling and therapy for and was still harassing leading up to the draft and even after. His agent being a slimeball was typical of agents of any background. But his hiring of an agent that was POC was strategic.

Arizona trusted a letter written by the player without doing research and it was well documented. Then the Bruins literally did the same thing and acted all shocked and dismayed. Essentially they saw he did well in the league he was in and assumed enough time had passed to waft away the stink of a racist pos and swoop in on a prospect they scouted.

Mind you, no player gets signed without scouting, to assume so would be incredibly ignorant. Scouting involves learning about the player, of which they decided to ignore or be ignorant about. That's never going to be a good look. In a discussion like this, just have to eat the fact that it happened and it was bad.


Also don't get me wrong - to lose Krejci and Bergeron and then fire Cassidy (goes on to win the cup, but also get Monty who is a fantastic coach) and still be pretty damn good is an amazing feat. But good organization? There be some recent warts, mate.

 

[Strangle]

"Make whatever excuse helps you sleep at night"

Goes on to make a baseless excuse even though they're constantly top 5 most penalized....but hey whatever helps you sleep at night

It’s not even how many penalties a team takes, it’s which ones and when

The Bruins took 4 penalties in this game, can you find a few more? Never forget game 2!

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Where is the interference, tripping, elbowing, high sticking, etc?

 

[Ned Bouhalassa]

From The Stooges to LCD Soundsystem, from Dolly Parton to Deadmau5, AC/DC, Daft Punk, Black Sabbath and Radiohead…. they play the best music when playing at home.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

Again, you're not argueing on the subject, you're deflecting to labels. Even if I did, which I haven't, used the term, "Daddy Campbell", what difference does it make to the discussion?

So the Bruins had the 6th highest penalties against in 22/23. They also have the 4th highest powerplay opportunities for. You have to give both stats to discredit my prior statement.

One might expect the ratio to be further in Boston's favor with the high end results and periods of dominance while maintaining a strong cycle offense. That is where game management becomes a factor as ratings are the primary driver.

 

[Chips]

I see some bruins fans say they’d rather have all that regular season success and deep playoff runs over the last 15 years with 1 cup win rather than being the kings who won 2 cups but weren’t as consistently successful over that stretch.

Me personally I take two cups over one but that’s just me.

I understand both. Imo the “cup or it was worthless” mindset is a little too.. almost “corny” if you’re not a player. Like I understand it for them


But winning over 82 games is hard. Doing it year after year is harder. All the teams are still trying. Much bigger sample size than 4-7 or even 28 games.

Also, we romanticize the playoffs but a playoff round is a really small sample size. Luck with injury, hot or cold streaks (your team and the opponent) and matchups plays so much into it, that’s why the Lightning going to however many conference finals + 4 finals over 10 years is pretty darn uncommon. It’s how you get Cinderella teams like the Habs making the finals, when they probably would not have even made the playoffs in a normal league set up.


Fortunately with the Caps I was blessed to see a cup and a bunch of winning seasons

 

[Strangle]

One might expect the ratio to be further in Boston's favor with the high end results and periods of dominance while maintaining a strong cycle offense. That is where game management becomes a factor as ratings are the primary driver.

Well, ya that’s what happens when the refs favor the bruins

All the evidence anyone needs I already provided, with the video evidence of all the penalties that should have been called on the bruins in game 2 of the 2019 1st round playoff matchup and the box score of the penalties that were actually called.

Why was the interference on Hyman at the start of the game not called? That sets the tone immediately, in a game that obviously got out of hand and a series that ended in the bruins favor.

It’s obvious that the fix is in when it comes to the bruins. The evidence is right in front of you

 

[jgatie]

What's silly is ignoring game management like it doesn't exist.

The difference between the most penalized team and the least penalized team is 121 penalties. That averages out to 1.5 penalties a game. You think that a rebuilding team full of grinders or a team full of cheap shot artists will only deserve 1.5 more penalties per game more than a well disciplined skill team?

Ignoring facts, jumping to labels, deflecting.

What makes you think the Bruins are a "rebuilding team full of grinders or a team full of cheap shot artists"? Because if you do, I think we have found your problem. "Ignoring facts and jumping to labels" indeed.

 

[Strangle]

That’s the point. The Bruins have still managed to be a good- great team for 15 years without having to go through a rebuild like the Leaf’s and having gone through Franchise level players retiring /aging out.

In this sense the bruins have been more willing to move on from players that didn’t fit what they wanted. Unlike the leafs

From Thornton to Kessel and a dozen other great players

The leafs will take their stars to the grave with them. So Boston has had more balls that way, for sure

 

[nbwingsfan]

Please expand on that. Are you plugging your ears and saying, "no you?"

Why don’t YOU expand on this? You’re the one claiming they’re “paying off refs” or something to this effect.

Please show your work.

 

[Strangle]

Why don’t YOU expand on this? You’re the one claiming they’re “paying off refs” or something to this effect.

Please show your work.

You ignored the video evidence and boxscore that I provided to you

Why even ask for ‘evidence’ if you’re just going to ignore it?

Watch the video, look at the box score and explain why there isn’t interference, high sticking, elbowing, slew footing and more roughing penalties in the box score.

No one is going to keep providing you evidence you’re just going to ignore

 

[nbwingsfan]

Well, ya that’s what happens when the refs favor the bruins

All the evidence anyone needs I already provided, with the video evidence of all the penalties that should have been called on the bruins in game 2 of the 2019 1st round playoff matchup and the box score of the penalties that were actually called.

Why was the interference on Hyman at the start of the game not called? That sets the tone immediately, in a game that obviously got out of hand and a series that ended in the bruins favor.

It’s obvious that the fix is in when it comes to the bruins. The evidence is right in front of you

First time watching playoff hockey I see.

 

[jgatie]

You ignored the video evidence and boxscore that I provided to you

Why even ask for ‘evidence’ if you’re just going to ignore it?

Watch the video, look at the box score and explain why there isn’t interference, high sticking, elbowing, slew footing and more roughing penalties in the box score.

No one is going to keep providing you evidence you’re just going to ignore

That's one game. So if I pick out a single game where the opposing team got more questionable calls going their way than the Bruins, is that proof there's a vast conspiracy where the refs are fixing games so the Bruins lose?

 

[nbwingsfan]

You ignored the video evidence and boxscore that I provided to you

Why even ask for ‘evidence’ if you’re just going to ignore it?

Watch the video, look at the box score and explain why there isn’t interference, high sticking, elbowing, slew footing and more roughing penalties in the box score.

No one is going to keep providing you evidence you’re just going to ignore

One single game 5 years ago in a chippy playoff hockey game where calls were let go on BOTH sides in a sample of like 600 games is somehow now proof the NHL is paying te refs more to help the Bruins?

This place is truly a crazy asylum.

 

[Sigh]

That's one game. So if I pick out a single game where the opposing team got more questionable calls going their way than the Bruins, is that proof there's a vast conspiracy where the refs are fixing games so the Bruins lose?

Good post. And this does happen. The Bruins get the short end enough that we have fans convinced that the league is out to get them.

I have to admit I do love the image of Jeremy Jacobs ruling over the BoG like Emperor Palpatine though.

 

[Strangle]

That's one game. So if I pick out a single game where the opposing team got more questionable calls going their way than the Bruins, is that proof there's a vast conspiracy where the refs are fixing games so the Bruins lose?

Again deflecting. I provided proof to discuss, and the response is to deny the proof.

Typical

Why wasn’t interference called on the bruins at the start of that game? Why were the penalties in that one game that I’m using as evidence called the way they were?

We have the video and we have the box score. Is it because this kind of interference is allowed in the post season? No, it’s not.

Is it because the refs are making biased decisions on the ice? Well, yes of course they are. That should be obvious.

The conversation lies in why they are calling this game the way they did, why the penalties worked out the way they did and why it seems to always benefit the bruins.

Using this one single example, because I’m very familiar with it and it’s a clear example of my point.

You have a choice to make, you can disregard it or you can participate. Up to you

 

[Strangle]

One single game 5 years ago in a chippy playoff hockey game where calls were let go on BOTH sides in a sample of like 600 games is somehow now proof the NHL is paying te refs more to help the Bruins?

This place is truly a crazy asylum.

What’s the expectation here? That I go through 10,000 hockey games, edit together footage, parse all the box scores and then write a paper about it that can be peer reviewed?

Look at the video, look at the box score and explain what happened there. Stop deflecting

 

[Oneiro]

They’re a systems team like post Niedermayer NJ. Great culture and buy in and right now that gives them an advantage over a league that is both too old and too young.

Not enough top end skill to go all the way and as such, one of the more overrated organizations in sports.

 

[nbwingsfan]

What’s the expectation here? That I go through 10,000 hockey games, edit together footage, parse all the box scores and then write a paper about it that can be peer reviewed?

Look at the video, look at the box score and explain what happened there. Stop deflecting

Yes I see TWO teams getting away with its stuff like 99% of playoff games that exist.


This is apparently proof of an NHL wide conspiracy to help the Bruins win?

They’re a systems team like post Niedermayer NJ. Great culture and buy in and right now that gives them an advantage over a league that is both too old and too young.

Not enough top end skill to go all the way and as such, one of the more overrated organizations in sports.

Just 4 years ago, they were 1 game away from a SC.
Just one year ago, they set an NHL record for points, had a rocket Richard winner on their team.

This guy: overrated and no skill, can’t win the Cup

 

[cneely]

What’s the expectation here? That I go through 10,000 hockey games, edit together footage, parse all the box scores and then write a paper about it that can be peer reviewed?

Look at the video, look at the box score and explain what happened there. Stop deflecting

If you're going to make a blanket statement, then yes.

 

[nbwingsfan]

What’s the expectation here? That I go through 10,000 hockey games, edit together footage, parse all the box scores and then write a paper about it that can be peer reviewed?

Look at the video, look at the box score and explain what happened there. Stop deflecting

Here’s a blatant missed call in a SC final game no less (it’s a thing teams play in when they win a couple series).

Weird thing to let go when the NHL is paying refs to help the Bruins.