Why does the NHL have so many NTCs?

[Lshap]

And hence why they want NMC’s in their contracts, not really rocket science is it?

The point is that being traded has nothing to do with a player's rights. NMC/NTCs have nothing to do with individual rights – that's a false argument.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Did not realize philly defecated over to Canada over night. As it was a block trade to them that started this thread.

FYI Philly

You can throw snowballs at santa but only in june

Did you mean to say "defected" because that word has an entirely different meaning....

Anyway, point still stands. No point to playing in a Canadian market. Lower pay, less chance of a Cup.

 

[Machinehead]

As others have mentioned, other sports have barriers to them in the CBA.

The NHL also has less money circulating in general, so the need for security is greater.

 

[Machinehead]

If you were paid 6 million dollars per year and only had to work 82 days a year would you choose to do that job even if you could be told when and where you had to live for the duration of your contract?

I would literally take less money to be able to decide where I live.

Where you live is important to people and it blows my mind that you think it's no big deal.

They're human beings.

 

[OKR]

The point is that being traded has nothing to do with a player's rights. NMC/NTCs have nothing to do with individual rights – that's a false argument.

What are they trading?

 

[Jumptheshark]

Did you mean to say "defected" because that word has an entirely different meaning....

Anyway, point still stands. No point to playing in a Canadian market. Lower pay, less chance of a Cup.

Canadian living in the UK. Pure English humour.

No comment on snow balls and Santa.


I do love the fact SEVERAL poster all said DUE TO CANADA in a thread started because someone NUKED a trade to the flyers

 

[abo9]

2023-24 NHL NTC/NMC Contracts (Trade Clauses) - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

2023-24 NHL players with no-trade clauses (NTC) and no-move clauses (NMC)

www.capfriendly.com

There must be more players with NTC/NMCs than those who don't lol.

Zach Bogosian has a 21 teams No trade list
Patrick Maroon 16
Nicolas Deslauriers 20
Marcus Johansson looks to have a full NTC

Jake Walman is 27, played in > 41 games once in his career, and he got a 10 teams No trade list.

I get the "unwanted cities" up to a point - but really? Was Jake Walman or Nic Deslauriers gonna walk out if not for the NTC? Where are they gonna walk to?

GMs are playing themselves lol

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Canadian living in the UK. Pure English humour.

No comment on snow balls and Santa.


I do love the fact SEVERAL poster all said DUE TO CANADA in a thread started because someone NUKED a trade to the flyers

While this is true, we're still seeing an exodus in Calgary and Winnipeg.

 

[Soundwave]

The other leagues don't have cities players don't want to live in. No Edmonton, Calgary, Winnipeg, Ottawa. The most is Buffalo and Milwaukee. And Buffalo is on the second rebuild so there's that.

There defintely are cities that NBA players don’t want to play in like Toronto, Utah, Milwuakee prior to Giannis, etc.

 

[Jumptheshark]

While this is true, we're still seeing an exodus in Calgary and Winnipeg.

If both teams were in the USA the same thing would be happening. What is going on has nothing to do with the cities but with the organization.

Some guy in San Jose is hoping for a trade to the Sens or to the oilers. Must be a californi thing eh

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

"Why does the NHL have so many NTC's"

1. Because the NHL has a flawed hard cap system

2. Because said hard cap is way too low and as a result, different tiers of players are articificially compressed together in the same AAV range. Perks like NTCs and NMCs are really the only tools to separate aside from signing bonuses.

It’s interesting how 3 lockouts and immovable owners have resulted in a more conservative league. It’d be more interesting with big names moving, but under the current system there’s incentive to just lock in an nmc and stay put.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

If both teams were in the USA the same thing would be happening. What is going on has nothing to do with the cities but with the organization.

Some guy in San Jose is hoping for a trade to the Sens or to the oilers. Must be a californi thing eh

Karlsson wants to go win a Cup. Despite what he says he knows it won't happen in Ottawa.

And I'm not so sure the cities have nothing to do with it. Both are absolute hellholes during the winter. I mean, you follow the Oilers, we aren't that far removed from Pronger wanting out and basically every FA under the sun telling us to pound sand.

None of the Canadian teams are run well, that's just a fact. But it's far from the only factor. Money or were a fan growing up, those are the only two reasons to want to play for a Canadian club.

 

[Xerloris]

I would literally take less money to be able to decide where I live.

Where you live is important to people and it blows my mind that you think it's no big deal.

They're human beings.

Just seems like a fairly easy trade off to make. I don't get why everyone is so concerned about the feelings of a bunch of millionaires. They'll be just fine either way.

 

[The Marquis]

Karlsson wants to go win a Cup. Despite what he says he knows it won't happen in Ottawa.

And I'm not so sure the cities have nothing to do with it. Both are absolute hellholes during the winter. I mean, you follow the Oilers, we aren't that far removed from Pronger wanting out and basically every FA under the sun telling us to pound sand.

None of the Canadian teams are run well, that's just a fact. But it's far from the only factor. Money or were a fan growing up, those are the only two reasons to want to play for a Canadian club.

I think there is a rare third reason. Media attention. There aren’t many player who want this, but a handful do.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

I think there is a rare third reason. Media attention. There aren’t many player who want this, but a handful do.

It could drive up their asking rates when they inevitably defect I suppose.

 

[Machinehead]

Just seems like a fairly easy trade off to make. I don't get why everyone is so concerned about the feelings of a bunch of millionaires. They'll be just fine either way.

As it turns out, people have feelings beyond money and there are factors to being "fine" beyond money.

It's well understood that there are trade-offs to making that kind of money, and let's not ignore the injuries, the regiments, and the travel schedule.

With that said, I'm just not sure why you take such issue with players exploring legally negotiated avenues to improve their quality of life.

"You have a high salary so everything else about your job should suck" is just a weird take to have.

 

[archangel2]

This is 1000x more “defensive” than anything I’ve seen in any other post.

Bullshit. Even after NUMEROUS reminders the flyers play in the states. NUMEROUS poster still post Canada as the reason why there are so many NTC OR NMC. Looks like there are a few USA cities are not desirable. Let's see on July 2nd WHEN NO ONE SIGNS Canada. Then I will agree.

 

[Xerloris]

As it turns out, people have feelings beyond money and there are factors to being "fine" beyond money.

It's well understood that there are trade-offs to making that kind of money, and let's not ignore the injuries, the regiments, and the travel schedule.

With that said, I'm just not sure why you take such issue with players exploring legally negotiated avenues to improve their quality of life.

"You have a high salary so everything else about your job should suck" is just a weird take to have.

Like you said, it's legal. I have no problem with it. I just don't think NTC and NMC should be a thing in the NHL. With the salary cap we have a hard enough time making trades happen.

 

[Xerloris]

So you think NHL players work only 82 days a year? How many players make $6M or more? Not that many. And you specifically said rights. People come to watch NHL players, not GMs, coaches or owners. They have much more power than the average worker and in the NHL that includes control on where they play, to a certain extent, with NTC (limited or total) or NMC. I don't begrudge them that.


Reminds me of the old Soviet era building in downtown Warsaw Poland that is the tallest building in Poland and that has the highest clock in the EU.

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I see if you an issue with what appears to be a nice clean and probaby low crime city. Have fun in New York.

 

[seabass45]

If you were paid 6 million dollars per year and only had to work 82 days a year would you choose to do that job even if you could be told when and where you had to live for the duration of your contract? Which currently is capped at 8 years but getting 8 years is not that common.

Having no rights is not the same as being told where they have to work.

They’re not working “only” 82 days a year.

 

[StreetHawk]

Blues are trying to send Krug to a rebuilding team in Philly. Not surprised that he wouldn't want to go. And from what most former players say, Philly is a good destination given the location. So, close to many teams that the travel is very good.

Both sides understand that if they are depending on this deal for a veteran's approval, who has 4 years left on his deal with 2 full NTC years then a MNTC after that for the final 2, that the player may not waive.

Up to the Blues/Flyers to figure out a way to conclude the deal. I think Krug would waive, but just not to a rebuilding team. Players don't want to stay where they are not wanted, but also want to go to somewhere they feel is a good situation for them. Not sure either team is interested in doing 4 years of retention, especially Philly if they are going to retain on Hayes for the next 3 seasons.

 

[Lshap]

What are they trading?

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What point are you trying to make?

 

[OKR]

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What point are you trying to make?

To say NMC/NCT’s have nothing to do with players rights is both false and also entirely irrelevant to the conversation i was having, so why would i need a point when you don’t have one either?

 

[JianYang]

With Tory Krug refusing to waive his NTC and holding up a blockbuster trade, it got me thinking...

In the two other major North American sports league with a cap, no-trade clauses are a rarity. Only a dozen or so NFL players have NTCs and most of them are starting QBs. In the NBA its even rarer, with only a handful of guys in HISTORY being granted such a privilege. From my understanding MLB has loads, but it's non-salary cap league.

In the NHL it seems like almost every above-average player gets given at least a limited NTC once their UFA years kick in. You even have GMs desperate for free-agent signings handing them out like candy to bottom-6 guys. Why has this culture become so common-place in the NHL, which is supposedly a team-oriented league, whereas it hasn't taken hold yet in the "selfish" NBA/NFL.

I think hockey is the only one with a hard cap. In the soft cap leagues, maybe players are more willing to forego the privelage of ntcs for more money.

 

[StreetHawk]

I think hockey is the only one with a hard cap. In the soft cap leagues, maybe players are more willing to forego the privelage of ntcs for more money.

NFL, players want to get paid and also know that each draft has players who can step into the league and perform. Plus, it's the structure of the NFL salary cap. Because, you become hard to trade if you got a big signing bonus because the NFL allocates cap charges based on who pays you, not via AAV like the NHL.

So, if you got 5 years for $75 million with $20 mill of that in a Signing bonus in the NFL, that means each year the team is taking $4 mill as a charge for that signing bonus vs taking it all in year 1. If you are traded after year 2, there is still $12 mill of dead cap charges that the team has to eat if they trade you.

NBA, one player impacts the game so much, so if you have someone who wants out, doesn't do much for your franchise to keep him. And no team wants to trade for someone who does not want to be there.