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Why do teams pull the goalie again after giving up an empty net goal?

The old Soviet teams would NEVER pull their goalie when down a goal late in the third and that was a longstanding policy of Russian hockey for decades. They didn't even pull their goalie in the Miracle On Ice.

Because as with most things in Russia, optics was more important than results. To them, a loss by 1 goal looked better than a potential loss by more (even though taking the risk had a greater chance of tying).
 
Same reason why NBA teams foul for free throws down a certain score after a game has been decided, you never know what might happen.
 
The game is not done. That is why. OP, why does it bother you that a team now loses 5-2 instead of 4-2?

It's still a loss, it's still the playoffs, and there is no allowance for goal differential, goals scored, or goals prevented that matters down the line. Just wins.

That is the reason they continue to pull the goalie. While it is very unlikely, there is still a chance to score two quick goals to tie it up. Whereas if they allow another ENG, it has no impact whatsoever.

They continue to pull the goalie because it modestly improves their slight chance to win, while it in no way represents a risk. There is no downside for the team doing it. Just, as stated eloquently above, optics.
 
While it feels like giving up an empty net goal is the end of the game to fans, players know that they can generate high quality scoring chances with that extra attacker. Especially in the playoffs, you want to give yourself every chance to win the game. It doesn't matter if you lose by 1, 2, or 5... if you need to score a goal, you want to generate as much offensive pressure as possible. I can't even imagine what it would look like to be a fan of a team whose coach shrugged their shoulders and said, "Well, boys, we tried... no point in thinking about winning this game with a minute and a half left, now that we're down by two!"
 
Same reason they pulled him the first time.

Yet this is according to a DownGoesBrown article recently, the only ever time this happened in the NHL.

That baffles me that it never happened before for a team to get scored on their empty net pulling the goalie late in a game and still score to win.
 
Because when you give up a goal you are 5 to 13 percent more engaged for 8 seconds right after the goal. It is just facts!
 
These type of threads remind me of the Mighty Duck movie where they are up like 7-0 and the kid says " it's over" and they ended up tying its been a while since I watched it.
 
Because they're stupid.

Pulling the goalie is a lot dumber than we think it is but you can get used to anything if it's around long enough.
 
Because they're stupid.

Pulling the goalie is a lot dumber than we think it is but you can get used to anything if it's around long enough.
What??
Curious to know you’re reasoning for that, as your typically very big on analytics and I always see analytics folks say that goalies should be pulled earlier & more often
 
What??
Curious to know you’re reasoning for that, as your typically very big on analytics and I always see analytics folks say that goalies should be pulled earlier & more often
That's been debunked. That data was driven by one season which appears to be a fluke.

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There are actually just as many seasons where pulling early hurts.

As you can see, it mostly doesn't move the needle. Best case scenario, it gives you $1.02 instead of a dollar.

0.4 goals per 60 is 0.006 (and change) goals per minute. So that's 0.006 if you pull with one minute versus 0.013 if you pull with two minutes. That six one-thousandths of an expected goal.

If it were risk-free, you would take it, but as it turns out, NOT HAVING A GOALIE MAKES IT REALLY f***ING EASY FOR THE OTHER TEAM TO SCORE WHO COULD HAVE KNOWN?!?!?!

If you pull with two minutes versus one, the most likely scenario is that the other teams scores right f***ing quick and the game is over. I'd rather have the extra minute than six one-thousandths of an expected goal.
 
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Because they want to se if the experiment with the invisible man can stop a puck and if he can then a team can play with 6 players all the time and have no visible goalie!
 
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It never made sense to me to pull the goalie again after giving up an empty goal. The game is done. Why not move on to the next game instead of just adding another goal against?

nothing to lose. This isn’t soccer where goals scored or differential matters.

coaches have pulled early given an opportunity. EN put them diwn 2 with 2+ left. Teams down 2 with 3 left pull goalie thrn too.
 
Who cares if the other team scores an extra goal.

If you come back and score 2 with the empty net pulled you gave the team a chance to come back.

They score a 2nd empty net goal. O well.
 
91 times in NHL history, a team has scored 3 goals in 45 seconds or less. The record is 3 goals in 20 seconds. A lot can happen in a very short time.

Also, does it really matter if you lose 5-2 instead of 4-2? What do you see as the benefit of giving up?
Of those 91 times, how many had 2 ENGs :sarcasm:
 

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