Why did Pronger leave Edmonton?

I always wondered about this situation but I think the story of how he got there might be more interesting than why he left. As far as I know Pronger did not have a NTC NMC on his contracts but I am not sure if we would know, I don't think pre-cap contracts were public.

Did Pronger have to approve the trade to EDM or were they able to trade him without his involvement. Even so I don't think Pronger had to sign. But I doubt EDM would have traded unless he agreed to sign. Was Pronger's intent all along to play only one year in EDM and that was known pretty much only to him and his family? So Pronger agrees to the trade, signs what is probably a high end contract with the intent of only playing one year of it and then forcing the trade? All speculation but leaves behind quite the soap opera.
 
I always wondered about this situation but I think the story of how he got there might be more interesting than why he left. As far as I know Pronger did not have a NTC NMC on his contracts but I am not sure if we would know, I don't think pre-cap contracts were public.

Did Pronger have to approve the trade to EDM or were they able to trade him without his involvement. Even so I don't think Pronger had to sign. But I doubt EDM would have traded unless he agreed to sign. Was Pronger's intent all along to play only one year in EDM and that was known pretty much only to him and his family? So Pronger agrees to the trade, signs what is probably a high end contract with the intent of only playing one year of it and then forcing the trade? All speculation but leaves behind quite the soap opera.

Blues traded the rights to Pronger to Edmonton (Blues had QOd him that summer). He had no obligation to sign a contract with Edmonton. He was happy to, his wife wasnt.

And for people saying Edmonton is a shithole, Im sure you're right but there are people who are stuck in worse shitholes with husbands that earns millions per year playing hockey. Oilers shouldnt have traded him. "Sorry that your wife doesn't like the city, Chris but we pay you a lot of money to play hockey so either play or retire. Up to you"
 
Blues traded the rights to Pronger to Edmonton (Blues had QOd him that summer). He had no obligation to sign a contract with Edmonton. He was happy to, his wife wasnt.

And for people saying Edmonton is a shithole, Im sure you're right but there are people who are stuck in worse shitholes with husbands that earns millions per year playing hockey. Oilers shouldnt have traded him. "Sorry that your wife doesn't like the city, Chris but we pay you a lot of money to play hockey so either play or retire. Up to you"

i think the issue is she was independently wealthy so she wasn’t having it

the question i’ve always heard edmonton ppl debating is whether she ever gave it a shot and it was too different/cold/small/whatever or if she never even tried.

you should hear the ways some ppl in vancouver still talk about luongo’s wife. but i get it. you have a bunch of kids and your husband’s on the road half the time, where are you going to go? the place where you have family and support, or this weird canadian city with depressing weather that cares way too much about your personal life with reporters putting your visits to the doctor in the newspaper?
 
On Chicklets he kept saying the Oilers didn't come thru on their end on promises

That feels like damage control

All in all though I'm grateful for what Pronger did in his one season here and we probably wouldn't have been able to make a solid run of it in 2007 anyway. We lacked elite talent outside of Pronger anyway.

He was the best player I'd ever seen wear our jersey until Draisatil and McDavid came along.
 
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Pronger has talked about it on some podcasts in the last few years, though he remains somewhat vague. He's been complimentary of the city and organization and I do think that he would have been fine to sign there on an individual level. There certainly seem to have been family issues at play, as has been discussed many times, and if I recall correctly he said that there were a few things that were promised but not delivered. I don't remember what detail he went into though.
 
It’s not a mystery anymore. His wife literally posted the “real story” on her website. If you are to believe her account.

She was caught off guard by the trade, and Pronger and his agent went ahead and negotiated an extension like the day after the trade without her knowing. It pissed her off and set the tone for her dislike of Edmonton. She hated the long road trips he would go because Edmonton is so isolated. She didn’t like the city and the lifestyle and the marriage was falling apart as a result. They were basically on the verge of divorce and he demanded the trade as a last resort to save the marriage.
 
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now this is just rumours on the internet (no, not those ones), but pronger’s wife is apparently a walton. ie, the richest family in the world.

so in reality this is a reverse of the mike comrie situation. chris pronger, nhl superstar and north of $100 million in career earnings? they were probably making more on her passive income every year than chris’ salary

why did hillary duff, a legitimately famous actress in her 20s, have to live in edmonton until they divorced? mike comrie is a billionaire and the family wanted them back on the compound
 
i think the issue is she was independently wealthy so she wasn’t having it

the question i’ve always heard edmonton ppl debating is whether she ever gave it a shot and it was too different/cold/small/whatever or if she never even tried.

you should hear the ways some ppl in vancouver still talk about luongo’s wife. but i get it. you have a bunch of kids and your husband’s on the road half the time, where are you going to go? the place where you have family and support, or this weird canadian city with depressing weather that cares way too much about your personal life with reporters putting your visits to the doctor in the newspaper?

The last part happens in St Louis as well because of who she is. So that shouldnt matter too much. I just have a hard time sympathizing with rich people having to live in a cold and boring city for five years (well 4ish years since I doubt they would summer there).

At least with Luongo there were some other underlying issues with the team itself and it seemed like both sides wanted to move on.
 
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The last part happens in St Louis as well because of who she is. So that shouldnt matter too much. I just have a hard time sympathizing with rich people having to live in a cold and boring city for five years (well 4ish years since I doubt they would summer there).

At least with Luongo there were some other underlying issues with the team itself and it seemed like both sides wanted to move on.

i think there's a huge difference between being an anonymous super rich person in st louis and a super visible celebrity's wife in edmonton. i mean, i don't see any other walmart heiresses being reported on in st louis newspapers like it's a tabloid so i seriously doubt that comparison holds any water.

i remember how hard edmonton and its media was on gretzky's wife around the time of the trade too. there was all the, that's what you get for marrying an actress and calling her yoko and she thinks she's too good for edmonton. but in the end, they moved to LA and she immediately stopped acting and modeling and started pumping out kids. but can you even imagine the difference between their relative anonymity in LA vs having to be the wife of the most famous person in the history of edmonton? that said, we also now know it almost certainly wasn't their choice to move.

with luongo, the issue isn't when they finally left. because the team was good, luongo gutted it out in vancouver for a lot of years. but the issue was back in 2008, when his wife was having a difficult pregnancy and the vultures in our media reported on it. there was daily speculation about where she was, and taking shots at him flying to be with her on off-days while they were in the stretch run of a playoff race. you had jackasses saying, "he's being paid xxx millions to concentrate on playing" on the radio call-in shows. it was really awful. his relationship with the city was never the same, and in the end his wife moved back to miami. he also never got all the way back to his pre-2008 level of play, but i've always imagined that's just a step some guys lose when they become parents and their 100% focus turns into a little less than that.

that said i don't think anybody in this thread is really asking for your sympathy. we're just answering the question of what happened to precipitate him asking for a trade out of town.

On Chicklets he kept saying the Oilers didn't come thru on their end on promises

i think that's probably true to some degree. there is a sort of misogynistic how-dare-she article from one of the edmonton papers that's floating around looking back on the pronger debacle a year or two later, and it mentions how the oilers in like 2007 or '08 ended up building a team to take care of players' families after they move there.

this is something that also fell apart in vancouver in the last decade. after the team's very expensive contending years, ownership slashed the budget and they dismantled all of the competitive advantages of the luongo/sedins/kesler era. some of that was facilities, special training coaches, dieticians, sleep doctors, and other performance-related stuff, but another was staff to take care of players and their families' transitions. so rookie nikita tryamkin shows up in vancouver with his wife or girlfriend, he's like 21 years old and iirc they don't really speak english. they left back to russia after two years, but there were reports that they felt super isolated, didn't like where they lived, and after he signed back with the kHL there was a long quote about vancouver feeling like a drug den. from the context clues, he probably lived near the arena, likely too close to chinatown and the downtown east side for their comfort. but again, this is where a competent organization would have found them either an apartment to rent in yaletown or if they wanted to be more residential a house near some of the older players. they would have set tryamkin's wife/gf up with some of the other players' families to be taken under their wing and acclimated, reach out to the russian community to give them some build-in friends like they did for young bure once upon a time (which they did after spectacularly failing larionov and krutov and larionov flat out telling them it was necessary). but instead, they just left two 21 year olds who i don't think spoke the language well to their own devices within probably a five minute walk of the opioid crisis capital of canada.

that's also not to say that where the probably lived was legitimately dangerous, because it's not. i can picture the towers they probably lived in and i used to work near there and walked through those streets he's complaining about all the time. but i can also see how without any context, if you walk down one street instead of another it can feel like you're in the mission district in the 80s. but that's just a matter of someone on the team's staff saying, before you rent anything call me, and then when they found that apartment saying, no you want to be two blocks farther west and a few blocks to the south. but in a vacuum, living within walking distance of the arena seems like a good idea right?
 
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i think there's a huge difference between being an anonymous super rich person in st louis and a super visible celebrity's wife in edmonton. i mean, i don't see any other walmart heiresses being reported on in st louis newspapers like it's a tabloid so i seriously doubt that comparison holds any water.

i remember how hard edmonton and its media was on gretzky's wife around the time of the trade too. there was all the, that's what you get for marrying an actress and calling her yoko and she thinks she's too good for edmonton. but in the end, they moved to LA and she immediately stopped acting and modeling and started pumping out kids. but can you even imagine the difference between their relative anonymity in LA vs having to be the wife of the most famous person in the history of edmonton? that said, we also now know it almost certainly wasn't their choice to move.

with luongo, the issue isn't when they finally left. because the team was good, luongo gutted it out in vancouver for a lot of years. but the issue was back in 2008, when his wife was having a difficult pregnancy and the vultures in our media reported on it. there was daily speculation about where she was, and taking shots at him flying to be with her on off-days while they were in the stretch run of a playoff race. you had jackasses saying, "he's being paid xxx millions to concentrate on playing" on the radio call-in shows. it was really awful. his relationship with the city was never the same, and in the end his wife moved back to miami. he also never got all the way back to his pre-2008 level of play, but i've always imagined that's just a step some guys lose when they become parents and their 100% focus turns into a little less than that.

that said i don't think anybody in this thread is really asking for your sympathy. we're just answering the question of what happened to precipitate him asking for a trade out of town.

Oh they report on the heiresses in St Louis but you might be right. It might not be to the same extent as in Edmonton. Then again how has other players wives been able to handle living in Edmonton if its so awful? Also I dont think she ever complained about the media. It was all about the city which by reports she never really gave a real chance either.

The Gretzky thing I would say is different though. Gretzky was the greatest player in the league and yeah that was a bitter divorce. Not defending the newspapers at all here but that was a huge deal not only in edmonton but in all media everywhere and she was called yoko in outside media as well (which is unfair).

Ah, I had forgotten about that. Thanks for the reminder. Yeah, that would sour my relationship with a city as well for sure.

I don't think anyone has asked for my sympathy explicitly but there has been some sympathy for Pronger and his wife and a lot of pisstake at Edmonton as a city and organization (both in this thread and in the past) which I dont agree with and think is unfair.
 
And for people saying Edmonton is a shithole, Im sure you're right but there are people who are stuck in worse shitholes with husbands that earns millions per year playing hockey. Oilers shouldnt have traded him. "Sorry that your wife doesn't like the city, Chris but we pay you a lot of money to play hockey so either play or retire. Up to you"

I agree, it really should be like that, however if there is turmoil at home then the player is going to be distracted. A guy who is divorced isn't going to have his head in the game for your team either. Not that I agree Pronger's wife should have had that sort of influence on this thing, because being the wife of a professional sports athlete is sort of like being the wife of someone in the Military. You can move quite often. Don Cherry was all over the map playing in the minor leagues and he claims that "not once did Rose ever complain." It is what it is. When your husband is done with hockey (which is before he is 40), you can live wherever you want in the world.
 
now this is just rumours on the internet (no, not those ones), but pronger’s wife is apparently a walton. ie, the richest family in the world.

so in reality this is a reverse of the mike comrie situation. chris pronger, nhl superstar and north of $100 million in career earnings? they were probably making more on her passive income every year than chris’ salary

why did hillary duff, a legitimately famous actress in her 20s, have to live in edmonton until they divorced? mike comrie is a billionaire and the family wanted them back on the compound

A 2008 Edmonton Journal article says that "Lauren herself was old St. Louis, the granddaughter of a prominent local dentist, the daughter of a wealthy local lawyer and investment banker." That doesn't confirm she's not part of the Waltons, but I would think it would merit a mention more than those two names.
 
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Pronger leaving Edmonton wrecked the Oilers up until they got McDavid, you gotta realize they just came off a game 7 loss in the Finals against Carolina and Pronger would've won the Conn Smythe had they won.

He was their backbone piece on the blueline, a stallworth and a damn good one too. I was living in Calgary at the time and the hit piece by the Edmonton media on Pronger was way too much. Sure he had his reasons to leave, he didn't want to bring his marriage/wife/kids into it but it is what it is...I heard rumours about some mistress but that could be just that..rumours.
 
What a weird way to bump a thread with nearly 5 years of inactivity.

Pronger left Edmonton because of his wife didn't like the city? Damn, I thought there were more juicy deets than that honestly.

I'm forever grateful he came to Anaheim, but now looking back at it - why the hell would he decide to go there at the time and not another big name place (NY, Philly, Detroit, Dallas, etc)

Pronger leaving Edmonton wrecked the Oilers up until they got McDavid, you gotta realize they just came off a game 7 loss in the Finals against Carolina and Pronger would've won the Conn Smythe had they won.

He was their backbone piece on the blueline, a stallworth and a damn good one too. I was living in Calgary at the time and the hit piece by the Edmonton media on Pronger was way too much. Sure he had his reasons to leave, he didn't want to bring his marriage/wife/kids into it but it is what it is...I heard rumours about some mistress but that could be just that..rumours.

this is what I thought the 'rumor' was
 
A 2008 Edmonton Journal article says that "Lauren herself was old St. Louis, the granddaughter of a prominent local dentist, the daughter of a wealthy local lawyer and investment banker." That doesn't confirm she's not part of the Waltons, but I would think it would merit a mention more than those two names.

yeah, it's extremely likely that it's just something angry oilers fans made up that became urban legend

if you google "lauren pronger" and "walton" you'll get people talking about it on reddit, twitter, and message boards.
 
The reasons for Pronger wanting out have already been covered. One thing I did see that I'd like to address is the notion that the Oilers are a storied and historic NHL franchise.

The Oilers are, in my opinion, the Chicago Bulls of the NHL from a historical standpoint. Dynasties when they had the most decorated player in the history of each league (Gretzky and Jordan), lackluster most of their history outside of that.
 
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The reasons for Pronger wanting out have already been covered. One thing I did see that I'd like to address is the notion that the Oilers are a storied and historic NHL franchise.

The Oilers are, in my opinion, the Chicago Bulls of the NHL from a historical standpoint. Dynasties when they had the most decorated player in the history of each league (Gretzky and Jordan), lackluster most of their history outside of that.
The Oilers are certainly not a "historic" franchise in the sense that a bunch of NHL franchises preceded them by 50 years.

But it is a storied franchise, I think. The real stain on the team's history is the "decade of darkness" of roughly 2006-07 through 2015-16 (add in 2017-18 and 2018-19 if you like). Their downfall in the mid-1990s was largely not the club's fault, but rather a result of changing League economics. They did win the Stanley Cup without Gretzky, and were highly competitive from 1988-1992, and 1996 to 2006. They were one win away from the Cup in 2006. They are competitive now.

I would say, however, that the Oilers' franchise reputation and short-term future legacy are kind of hanging in the balance these days. Should the McDavid-era club fail to win at least the Conference once, or, worse, if they decline from now, there will be added to the Oilers' legacy a large stain of failure and wasted opportunity.
 
The Oilers are certainly not a "historic" franchise in the sense that a bunch of NHL franchises preceded them by 50 years.

But it is a storied franchise, I think. The real stain on the team's history is the "decade of darkness" of roughly 2006-07 through 2015-16 (add in 2017-18 and 2018-19 if you like). Their downfall in the mid-1990s was largely not the club's fault, but rather a result of changing League economics. They did win the Stanley Cup without Gretzky, and were highly competitive from 1988-1992, and 1996 to 2006. They were one win away from the Cup in 2006. They are competitive now.

I would say, however, that the Oilers' franchise reputation and short-term future legacy are kind of hanging in the balance these days. Should the McDavid-era club fail to win at least the Conference once, or, worse, if they decline from now, there will be added to the Oilers' legacy a large stain of failure and wasted opportunity.
Between the 1992 WCF and drafting McDavid, I don't see anything sustainable that the Oilers had. I don't think I'd describe them as highly competitive from 1996-2006, just a standard 1st round exit team. Had 2 straight R1 upsets in 1997 and 1998 as well as a couple missed playoff appearances, but mostly lost to Dallas in the 1st round.

2006 was a one year wonder, with that being their only season with Pronger. But the organization didn't recognize it as a one off, and IMO this was the reason Lowe was held onto for far too long. This of course was a major reason why they missed the playoffs the following 10 seasons afterwards, which as you said was a stain. Those 2 subsequent seasons you mentioned were embarrassing too now that they had the McDavid/Draisaitl combo.

As you said though, not all of this is their fault. The 90's economics screwed Edmonton as bad as any team. Then even after the salary cap mitigated some of this, now you have players who don't want to play there in large part because they view the city as an outpost.
 
Pronger’s wife was from St. Louis. She independently was wealthy from family money. She is not just a hockey player’s wife. She had a lot of friends and family in St. Louis and stayed there during the 2005-06 season.

She only came to Edmonton during extended homesteads and didn’t like it very much, and didn’t do much to integrate herself into the city. Cold weather, fishbowl environment unlike in St. Louis where even with pronger playing at MVP level and the blues competitive, they are still not anywhere as popular as the Rams greatest show on turf and the Cardinals, not a big city with an active social scene.

Don’t think she gave it much of a chance but oilers also didn’t do things to integrate players and their families into the city likely because they are small market and didn’t have a big budget.
 
I remember listening to a podcast a while back where pronger repeatedly said he was "sold a bill of goods" by Edmonton.

It's very vague, but it implies that they had some promises in the relationship which maybe he felt the oilers didn't deliver on.
 
The Oilers are certainly not a "historic" franchise in the sense that a bunch of NHL franchises preceded them by 50 years.

But it is a storied franchise, I think. The real stain on the team's history is the "decade of darkness" of roughly 2006-07 through 2015-16 (add in 2017-18 and 2018-19 if you like). Their downfall in the mid-1990s was largely not the club's fault, but rather a result of changing League economics. They did win the Stanley Cup without Gretzky, and were highly competitive from 1988-1992, and 1996 to 2006. They were one win away from the Cup in 2006. They are competitive now.

I would say, however, that the Oilers' franchise reputation and short-term future legacy are kind of hanging in the balance these days. Should the McDavid-era club fail to win at least the Conference once, or, worse, if they decline from now, there will be added to the Oilers' legacy a large stain of failure and wasted opportunity.

I know there was a period in the 90s when where the oilers were a sad bunch with alot of empty seats, but by the mid 90s, I thought they were a sense of inspiration for Canadian teams struggling to compete with the low dollar....around the time that Ryan Smyth, and rem Murray group came in. They punched well above their weight, and typically gave powerhouse Dallas all they could handle.
 
I just watched the Chicklets Pronger interview and it was quite interesting.

I will say this, Pronger is pretty direct. It was pretty much all about hockey and drinking until the end of the interview when he spoke about his wife's travel company and then you saw his personality kind of expand but I felt that was wife driven moreso than by him.

Arguments with management came up more than once. I think he eventually ending up fighting with every management team he played with.

Almost says more about Pronger than anyone else. He didn't really elaborate on any situation, which is understandable, does not want to burn bridges I get it.

I think a conversation in private with Pronger is pretty blunt. I can see him getting pissed quick. If your a manager though you don't want a cornerstone piece of your team getting that angry.

I remember some media interviews where he got fairly angry as well.

I bet he would be an intense leader in the room, no one would want to screw with him.
 
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