Why Are We Pursuing a Top-6 Forward?

[aragorn]

And which D do we have that would have been comparable to Jones to send back? The discussion started and ended with a player comparable to RyJo on the backend.

We don't. I thought a package which included our 1st rd pick but Nashville is looking to contend now & wanted a top 4 defenceman & got a good young one in Jones. It was a good hockey trade where both sides got exactly what they wanted & needed at fair value.

 

[KevinRedkey]

Zibby is fine as a 2C but not behind a 1B like Turris. We need a better 2C to center our wingers. We also need help on D (obviously)

I suggest we sign one of the following (a few wont happen):
Backes, Goligoski, Campbell, Byfuglien, Kopitar, Stamkos, Staal, Hamhuis, Coburn

Then, trade Zibanejad for an upgrade at whichever position we didn't sign (C/D)

 

[TheSenator]

Zibby is fine as a 2C but not behind a 1B like Turris. We need a better 2C to center our wingers. We also need help on D (obviously)

I suggest we sign one of the following (a few wont happen):
Backes, Goligoski, Campbell, Byfuglien, Kopitar, Stamkos, Staal, Hamhuis, Coburn

Then, trade Zibanejad for an upgrade at whichever position we didn't sign (C/D)

I dont think trading Zibanejad is the answer. As a 22 y/o I think he still has room to improve.

IMO he could still pan out to be a 60+ point player. With his 2-way play and 6'2 225lb frame that's a very valuable asset.



Edit: At Zibanejad's age Turris had yet to perform over a full season and was producing at a very similar 49-point pace. Sometimes players just need time to develop

 

[KevinRedkey]

I dont think trading Zibanejad is the answer. As a 22 y/o I think he still has room to improve.

IMO he could still pan out to be a 60+ point player. With his 2-way play and 6'2 225lb frame that's a very valuable asset.



Edit: At Zibanejad's age Turris had yet to perform over a full season and was producing at a very similar 49-point pace. Sometimes players just need time to develop

We are never going to win a cup with Turris-Zbad as out top 2 centers. If trading him doesn't solve that problem, then what does? I don't think crossing our fingers hoping Zbad improves, and trading Turris is the answer. I'd rather just ship Zbad out and build a cup contender.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Because it still is a serious issue.

Without a clear cut top center in the league, we must rely on excellent winger support to help out Turris and Zibanejad.

Ryan
Stone
Hoffman

are an excellent 3 but we need one more legit top 6. Especially with MacArthur future in question.

Either that, or we package Zibanejad for a legit top line center but that's not as likely.

 

[topshelf15]

Because it still is a serious issue.

Without a clear cut top center in the league, we must rely on excellent winger support to help out Turris and Zibanejad.

Ryan
Stone
Hoffman

are an excellent 3 but we need one more legit top 6. Especially with MacArthur future in question.

Either that, or we package Zibanejad for a legit top line center but that's not as likely.

Agreed ,finding the type of defender we need .Is near impossible through trade ,but there are forwards available.That would help out our weak defense with better offensive zone time .Zibby seems to be a shoot first guy,that leads to too many one and done,s in the ozone

 

[Stylizer1]

The reason is our top 6 now is good enough to make the playoffs but not strong enough to go deep and make a legitimate run.

 

[Wiercioch2Karlsson]

Because it still is a serious issue.

Without a clear cut top center in the league, we must rely on excellent winger support to help out Turris and Zibanejad.

Ryan
Stone
Hoffman

are an excellent 3 but we need one more legit top 6. Especially with MacArthur future in question.

Either that, or we package Zibanejad for a legit top line center but that's not as likely.

Watch TSN's highlights of the Boston game. Erik Karlsson gets cross-checked from behind into Anderson after a whistle. Zibanejad watches that and can at least engage the Bruin without taking a penalty, easily. What does he do? Sweet **** all. Karlsson gets up and engages the Bruin.

I've seen all I need to see from Zibanejad. He has no guts and no edge and no heart. You think that's gonna get it done in the playoffs? Nope.

 

[Viletho]

Well, our top 6 is kinda weak when it come to physical play. Hoffman-Turris-Zbad-Ryan are practically never going to defend other player after a whistle. Stone does it sometime but very rarely.

That top 6 lack talented-mean forward, to go far in the playoff.

 

[Baby Ryan]

Well, our top 6 is kinda weak when it come to physical play. Hoffman-Turris-Zbad-Ryan are practically never going to defend other player after a whistle. Stone does it sometime but very rarely.

That top 6 lack talented-mean forward, to go far in the playoff.

Ryan has done it on numerous occasions.

Hoffman, Stone, and Turris have been known to be very feisty and angry when the right buttons are pushed.

Zibby doesn't really show any post-whistle emotions but can play like a bull, although on rare occasions.

 

[Cosmix]

I dont think trading Zibanejad is the answer. As a 22 y/o I think he still has room to improve.

IMO he could still pan out to be a 60+ point player. With his 2-way play and 6'2 225lb frame that's a very valuable asset.



Edit: At Zibanejad's age Turris had yet to perform over a full season and was producing at a very similar 49-point pace. Sometimes players just need time to develop

I agree. While I get frustrated watching Zibby play, sometimes like a zombie with no emotion, I think he still has potential to get better, so I would not trade him unless I got something valuable in return.

If this team is not well in the playoffs by the trade deadline, then I would trade some of the following to get prospects and picks:

MacArthur
Michalek
Phillips
Neil
Chaisson
Smith
Cowen
Wideman
Puempel
any player in Binghamtom

 

[Super Cake]

I agree. While I get frustrated watching Zibby play, sometimes like a zombie with no emotion, I think he still has potential to get better, so I would not trade him unless I got something valuable in return.

If this team is not well in the playoffs by the trade deadline, then I would trade some of the following to get prospects and picks:

MacArthur
Michalek
Phillips
Neil
Chaisson
Smith
Cowen
Wideman
Puempel
any player in Binghamtom

Mac most likely won't be traded.

The trade deadline is Feb 29 and Mac still isn't playing. If he ever comes back, it will take some time for him to get back into the groove. Then you have to add in the fact that other teams will be worried about his concussion problems. Taking both of these into account, It is just not worth it to trade him for a 5th or 6th round pick. If he comes back and plays, he is more valuable to the team than he is in a trade.

 

[Cosmix]

Mac most likely won't be traded.

The trade deadline is Feb 29 and Mac still isn't playing. If he ever comes back, it will take some time for him to get back into the groove. Then you have to add in the fact that other teams will be worried about his concussion problems. Taking both of these into account, It is just not worth it to trade him for a 5th or 6th round pick. If he comes back and plays, he is more valuable to the team than he is in a trade.

I am concerned about MacArthur's health. I hope he does return and I also hope he gets back to the form in his first year here. He was very good for one year, looking like Alfredson near prime to me. BUT, if another team wants him and is willing to pay a high prospect or pick I would make that trade as I believe the Senators should be looking to the future and getting younger players. I would not trade him for a lowly 5 or 6 round pick, but would for a first round pick.

 

[Tundraman]

BM and Co have been counting heavily on ZBad to quickly surpass Turris and become the 1st line centre. It was always pretty clear the way they spoke that they expected Turris to centre the 2nd line. ZBad is still young but it's hard to see how they came to the conclusion that he would become a top centre. He has the size and the speed but does he have the play making skills? If they look for a top 6 forward he'd better be a #1 centre or a very strong 2nd so they can move ZBad to the wing or 3rd centre. Lets hope they don't just keep dangling future carrots in front of the fans as the next great hope. Who will it be next... Paul? ... White? ....?

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

I dont think trading Zibanejad is the answer. As a 22 y/o I think he still has room to improve.

IMO he could still pan out to be a 60+ point player. With his 2-way play and 6'2 225lb frame that's a very valuable asset.



Edit: At Zibanejad's age Turris had yet to perform over a full season and was producing at a very similar 49-point pace. Sometimes players just need time to develop

Agreed.

People constantly forget just how raw Zibby was when he was drafted. He still has extremely high potential. It's just a matter of working with him to unlock it.

 

[HispanicAtTheDisco]

I agree. While I get frustrated watching Zibby play, sometimes like a zombie with no emotion, I think he still has potential to get better, so I would not trade him unless I got something valuable in return.

If this team is not well in the playoffs by the trade deadline, then I would trade some of the following to get prospects and picks:

MacArthur
Michalek
Phillips
Neil
Chaisson
Smith
Cowen
Wideman
Puempel
any player in Binghamtom

MacArthur-Keep
Michalek-Trade
Phillips-No value due to injurie
Neil-Trade (won't be though)
Chaisson-Get rid of him any way possible
Smith-Keep or trade, I'd be okay either way
Cowen-Same as Chiasson
Wideman-I'd like to keep to see what he can do, wouldn't be against a trade if value is there
Puempel-Keep
any player in Binghamtom-Keep Paul, Lindberg, Dzingel and the goalies.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Agreed.

People constantly forget just how raw Zibby was when he was drafted. He still has extremely high potential. It's just a matter of working with him to unlock it.

His lack of intensity and reported off season issues makes me think he is unlikely to realize his potential.

Still young so plenty can happen but I think he's going to have to fundamentally change his approach to the game of he wants to become as good as he can be.

I mean, maybe he'll be like Alfie and have his best years after he's 30?

 

[Xspyrit]

To answer the OP question :

Because MacArthur (or it would be someone else) is injured?

Well, our top 6 is kinda weak when it come to physical play. Hoffman-Turris-Zbad-Ryan are practically never going to defend other player after a whistle. Stone does it sometime but very rarely.

That top 6 lack talented-mean forward, to go far in the playoff.

Agree with that, MacArthur's grit has been clearly missed but even then, we'd need a very strong on the puck top-6 forward

Ideally, Zib would play like the beast he could be and Turris would be a great 2nd line center

Hoffman-Zibanejad-Ryan
MacArthur-Turris-Stone

Who else could be upgraded for more strenght/puck possession?

BM and Co have been counting heavily on ZBad to quickly surpass Turris and become the 1st line centre. It was always pretty clear the way they spoke that they expected Turris to centre the 2nd line. ZBad is still young but it's hard to see how they came to the conclusion that he would become a top centre. He has the size and the speed but does he have the play making skills? If they look for a top 6 forward he'd better be a #1 centre or a very strong 2nd so they can move ZBad to the wing or 3rd centre. Lets hope they don't just keep dangling future carrots in front of the fans as the next great hope. Who will it be next... Paul? ... White? ....?

Well, in that kind of business you have to sell results or hope, or a mix of both like the Sens.

If this team is not well in the playoffs by the trade deadline, then I would trade some of the following to get prospects and picks:

Puempel
any player in Binghamtom

Why in the world would we trade prospects to get picks to get other prospects? Unless you could swing a quantity for quality trade (ala Bobby Ryan but with picks), but that rarely happens, if ever.

 

[Cosmix]

To answer the OP question :

Because MacArthur (or it would be someone else) is injured?



Agree with that, MacArthur's grit has been clearly missed but even then, we'd need a very strong on the puck top-6 forward

Ideally, Zib would play like the beast he could be and Turris would be a great 2nd line center

Hoffman-Zibanejad-Ryan
MacArthur-Turris-Stone

Who else could be upgraded for more strenght/puck possession?



Well, in that kind of business you have to sell results or hope, or a mix of both like the Sens.



Why in the world would we trade prospects to get picks to get other prospects? Unless you could swing a quantity for quality trade (ala Bobby Ryan but with picks), but that rarely happens, if ever.

The suggestion included multiple roster players and the entire Binghampton roster, with the underlying assumption being that we might be able to get better quality prospects and picks. Regarding Puempel, I am not seeing a great deal of upside to him. Prince looks like a better prospect.

 

[Derivation]

Post-whistle emotion? Is that the Hawks' success to becoming a perrenial NHL stanley cup winning team?

On a more serious note we definitely are short both top 6 and top 4, but with Cowen's sub par play could use help on the back end. Even if we could get a Kuba or Sutton type of defenseman with some experience and size would be nice.

 

[Xspyrit]

The suggestion included multiple roster players and the entire Binghampton roster, with the underlying assumption being that we might be able to get better quality prospects and picks. Regarding Puempel, I am not seeing a great deal of upside to him. Prince looks like a better prospect.

I understand what you mean but none of the important Bingo prospects (Paul, Lindberg, Dzingel, McCormick, Robinson, Claesson, Harpur, O'Connor, Driedger, including Prince and Puempel) are at a stage where they should be traded for another prospect or draft pick. Like I said, only a quantity for quality trade would make sense, but I don't remember seeing those involving prospects in the NHL. Probably simply because no one would give the better prospect for 2-3 decent prospects.

 

[Lenny the Lynx]

Post-whistle emotion? Is that the Hawks' success to becoming a perrenial NHL stanley cup winning team?

I'm pretty sure the first 1/3 or so of the Hawks training camp is usually just guys facewashing each other.