You missed the protest but it still begs the question part, did ya?I would assume criminal charges and a lifetime in jail would be crossing the line
Imagine comparing falling on a goalie to purposely murdering someone
Alrighty then...
Why are hockey players' actions compartmentalized with respect to their character?
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I mean Charles Barkley was arrested 4 separate times for assaulting a fan.
We really dont need to worry about NHL players to be honest. On the other hand... it doesnt really matter if they are good people off the ice right? We are hockey fans we care about the on ice part and only really care about off ice part because of drama or when it affects the on ice part (points at Canucks dysfunction last year).
Its not a super meaningful discussion to talk about on and off ice, but anyone who's played any contact sport knows that the guys who lose their heads out there are often not the guys you'd expect. Also for a lot of guys its an outlet.
If someone is dirty on the ice and gets away with it or injures guys regularly, they should be penalised for it and they are, at least on some level, a shitty person. But thats part of the game, you take the powerplays and you play through it. Make them pay with the man advantage, eh? I dont know these guys personally so... if they are shitty on the ice thats all I really care about.
We really dont need to worry about NHL players to be honest. On the other hand... it doesnt really matter if they are good people off the ice right? We are hockey fans we care about the on ice part and only really care about off ice part because of drama or when it affects the on ice part (points at Canucks dysfunction last year).
Its not a super meaningful discussion to talk about on and off ice, but anyone who's played any contact sport knows that the guys who lose their heads out there are often not the guys you'd expect. Also for a lot of guys its an outlet.
If someone is dirty on the ice and gets away with it or injures guys regularly, they should be penalised for it and they are, at least on some level, a shitty person. But thats part of the game, you take the powerplays and you play through it. Make them pay with the man advantage, eh? I dont know these guys personally so... if they are shitty on the ice thats all I really care about.
You asked where the line is crossed.
It’s criminal charges. There’s your line.
Falling onto goalies or throwing the occasional punch that hurts, in a game where everyone’s doing that, doesn’t make you a bad person lol
(And I hate hockey player Bennett)
Off topic here but what is a sponsor?
I've seen it on these boards a few times- unless it was you in every instance lol
So you have to do something worthy if criminal charges before rhe line os crossed and you as a fan are willing to say "Thst there is a P.O.S.!"?
What about Ken Linseman kicking an opponent in the head?
Bertuzzi sucker punching Moore?
All part of the gsme or P.O.S.?
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Hockey is fundamentally a violent sport. A good or bad person should be judged by their off-the-ice life
Though I will say humans are very complex and there is a ton of nuance. Plenty of good people have done something bad and vice versa. The totality of the person should be judged and not isolated incidents (barring extreme ones)
Though I will say humans are very complex and there is a ton of nuance. Plenty of good people have done something bad and vice versa. The totality of the person should be judged and not isolated incidents (barring extreme ones)
The implication is that I'm talking about things outside the "playing on the edge" and more along the lines of headhunting or just complete disregard for others' safety
Nuance is important so I was referring to behavioral patterns and not just one off instances
I just find it interesting how we as sports fans are more forgiving of players being assholes or P.O.S. during the course of a game, especially if that same player is a solid citizen off of it.
Many people have already made the job/outside of the job analogy
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The second paragraph is just stating the obvious. The key question is bolded. Why would you *not* take into consideration person's conduct "on the job", basically closing your eyes on a chunk of person's life?
1. Beetuzzi was charged, although civilly, for what he did.
2. No, Bertuzzi clearly did not mean to end Moore’s career. It was a retribution gone drastically wrong.
3. Linesman was also charged, this time criminally….
Because winning games is their job and some players will get dirty to make sure they win. Is it right? I don't think any of us can say it's right or wrong if we aren't the ones out there.
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Moore also was a POS off the ice for suing instead of taking accountability for what he did that caused it.
DisgruntledHawkFan
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Because tribalism is a thing and it's the thing that makes sports fun. To the tune of billions of dollars.
Interesting take- kinda odd since it's implying you can't judge anyone's behaviour.
But is there a point it goes from just dirty to outright P.OS. behsviour?
This post needs more virtue signaling and less common sense.
I think what happens on the ice is different than any other place in the world. Just like a football field, basketball court, boxing ring. These guys are the top athletes in the world and these games get heated sometimes. There is so much pressure to win. I do think some guys get carrier away though.
Except he didn't do anything on the ice to be held accountable for. Even Naslund said it wasn't dirty
And he already fought earlier in the gsme
And here is a related spoke to the whole duscussuon-
A player sues for damages and he's the asshole because he dared break the code and take the issue outside of the game.
Berruzzi done scewwed up and deserved to he sued.
You know who I lost respect for? Dominic Moore. He should have ended Bertuzzi's career snd dared the NHL to suspend him
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That poster is just praising the post he/she quoted as authentic and level-headed. He/she thinks common sense is good and virtue signaling is inauthentic, or lame.
To try to answer your question, for me, one should try to be as consistent as possible in all walks of life, as well as between those walks of life. However, if one is talking to a child or a cat, one would typically attempt to engage the other at his/her level. For instance, if someone is a toddler, I'm not going to be utterly frank, or speaking about topics that are usually more private and only discussed amongst friends, if at all. I would also speak in a different manner to my boss or parents than that toddler.
Also, in hockey, the potential for violence is something that is consensual. Not to mention the fact that professional hockey players are paid big bucks for, in part, taking on that risk.
So basically, there is not really a line to be drawn between professional hockey and "real life" for me.
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Have people actually been crying about Bennet playing his ass off out there ? It's gotta be a troll, As a consumer of the sport , I wish the whole league played like him.
It's an interesting question I suppose. I know I judge players differently with comparing their on-ice behavior to their off-ice behavior (if I'm aware of it, which I'm usually not because I don't really follow that kind of stuff). There is a line I guess, where I don't really judge a player as a human being if they have rather violent on-ice behavior, since I view the violence as just kind of "part of the game," but there's a line they could theoretically cross where it becomes way too much. It has happened sometimes, with the two examples I can think of off the top of my head being the Bertuzzi-Moore incident and the McSorley-Brashear incident. However, as much as I hate to defend Bertuzzi's actions even slightly, that one was more of retaliation gone horribly wrong than extremely malicious intent.
What I will say is that in all my years being involved with hockey, is that it seems like there's a tendency for players who are violent goons on the ice to be pretty standup human beings off the ice, which is interesting. This applies to both NHL players as well as some people I've played with or against.
Then there's myself as a player. I'm about as nonviolent of a person as they come, but on the ice, I'll admit that there were a few times I've punched someone else in the face (and in my mind at the time, I had decided that they deserved it).
What I will say is that in all my years being involved with hockey, is that it seems like there's a tendency for players who are violent goons on the ice to be pretty standup human beings off the ice, which is interesting. This applies to both NHL players as well as some people I've played with or against.
Then there's myself as a player. I'm about as nonviolent of a person as they come, but on the ice, I'll admit that there were a few times I've punched someone else in the face (and in my mind at the time, I had decided that they deserved it).
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