Who's the best player outside the NHL

[Kshahdoo]

U25 only.

My top5

Nikishin
Shabanov
Gritsyuk
Aimurzin
Demidov/Buchelnikov

Yeah, all are from the KHL, because the transition from the KHL to NHL usually goes the smoothest way (look at Michkov, Voronkov and Tsyplakov, who played in the "terrible KHL" and still made the big league).

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[waitin425]

1. Demidov
2. Nikishin
3. Schaefer
4. Misa
5. Fowler

 

[Kshahdoo]

1. Demidov
2. Nikishin
3. Schaefer
4. Misa
5. Fowler

I mean right now, not in the future. I doubt Schaefer or Misa are better than a PPG+ KHLer...

 

[waitin425]

I mean right now, not in the future. I doubt Schaefer or Misa are better than a PPG+ KHLer...

Those two have the highest probability of being impactful NHLer's next year than anyone not named Nikishin or Demidov in the KHL.

I put Fowler in there, because he is quickly becoming the best goalie prospect in hockey, if he isn't already.

 

[Kshahdoo]

Those two have the highest probability of being impactful NHLer's next year than anyone not named Nikishin or Demidov in the KHL.

I put Fowler in there, because he is quickly becoming the best goalie prospect in hockey, if he isn't already.

Yeah, but it's because some of those guys won't play in the NHL next season. Otherwise I'd say Buchelnikov would have had a pretty big chance to make some noise given how bad Detroit's LW position is.

 

[waitin425]

Yeah, but it's because some of those guys won't play in the NHL next season. Otherwise I'd say Buchelnikov would have had a pretty big chance to make some noise given how bad Detroit's LW position is.

Admittedly I don't know enough about the KHL guys. Just based on what I have seen, Ill stick with my top 5.

 

[Garl]

U25 only.

My top5

Nikishin
Shabanov
Gritsyuk
Aimurzin
Demidov/Buchelnikov

Yeah, all are from the KHL, because the transition from the KHL to NHL usually goes the smoothest way (look at Michkov, Voronkov and Tsyplakov, who played in the "terrible KHL" and still made the big league).

Russian homer rating

 

[Play]

U25 only.

My top5

Nikishin
Shabanov
Gritsyuk
Aimurzin
Demidov/Buchelnikov

Yeah, all are from the KHL, because the transition from the KHL to NHL usually goes the smoothest way (look at Michkov, Voronkov and Tsyplakov, who played in the "terrible KHL" and still made the big league).

You haven’t changed one bit

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

U25 only.

My top5

Nikishin
Shabanov
Gritsyuk
Aimurzin
Demidov/Buchelnikov

Yeah, all are from the KHL, because the transition from the KHL to NHL usually goes the smoothest way (look at Michkov, Voronkov and Tsyplakov, who played in the "terrible KHL" and still made the big league).

Is that you Donald Trump? You do know the AHL, and NCAA exist right? Demidov is a star. Nikishin looks good, but he’s a lot older than most guys that have already broken into the NHL, we’ll see how good he really is. I bet the rest of those guys have mediocre careers at best. Nikishin for example wasn’t even the number one D on his team when Anthony Deangelo was there.

We’ve seen lots of guys come over and have NHL success but it’s usually short lived (Kuzmenko, Sharongovich) etc. Lots of guys who were hyped come over be (kuznutdinov) nothing. Saying that those guys are better than Leonard, Schaefer, Dvorsky, Parekh etc. is hilarious.

 

[Remparts666]

Is that you Donald Trump? You do know the AHL, and NCAA exist right? Demidov is a star. Nikishin looks good, but he’s a lot older than most guys that have already broken into the NHL, we’ll see how good he really is. I bet the rest of those guys have mediocre careers at best. Nikishin for example wasn’t even the number one D on his team when Anthony Deangelo was there.

We’ve seen lots of guys come over and have NHL success but it’s usually short lived (Kuzmenko, Sharongovich) etc. Lots of guys who were hyped come over be (kuznutdinov) nothing. Saying that those guys are better than Leonard, Schaefer, Dvorsky, Parekh etc. is hilarious.

Right now , those 5 russians are most likely Better than those kids . Also Deangelo being the point man on the 1st pp does not mean he was the number one D.

I’m pretty sure gritsiuk will succeed in NJ with his combination of speed and skills. He has decent size as well.

Buchelnikov and shabanov , it seems to me that they are top 6 or bust

 

[Kshahdoo]

Is that you Donald Trump? You do know the AHL, and NCAA exist right? Demidov is a star. Nikishin looks good, but he’s a lot older than most guys that have already broken into the NHL, we’ll see how good he really is. I bet the rest of those guys have mediocre careers at best. Nikishin for example wasn’t even the number one D on his team when Anthony Deangelo was there.

We’ve seen lots of guys come over and have NHL success but it’s usually short lived (Kuzmenko, Sharongovich) etc. Lots of guys who were hyped come over be (kuznutdinov) nothing. Saying that those guys are better than Leonard, Schaefer, Dvorsky, Parekh etc. is hilarious.

Nikishin was their 1D, he just played more of a defensive role when they had DeAngelo. As soon as DeAngelo left, he got back to his usual hockey, and he's been head and shoulders above DeAngelo since then. And I mean offensively, because defensively he always was head and shoulders above DeAngelo...

Here is your AHL Elite Prospects - AHL Stats 2024-2025, tell me who's better than Shabanov or Gritsyuk? And when it comes to junior leagues or NCAA, it's always pretty hard to evaluate players. Laf was the best CHL player for two seasons before his draft. Would Columbus trade Voronkov (who was a pretty average KHLer just 2 years ago) for him now? I think you know the answer.

 

[Fatass]

Interesting topic. Im thinking there are US college and Major Junior players that will become the best NHLers. That Russian league is pretty weak. Guys who can’t make it in the nhl are stars over there.

 

[Kshahdoo]

Interesting topic. Im thinking there are US college and Major Junior players that will become the best NHLers. That Russian league is pretty weak. Guys who can’t make it in the nhl are stars over there.

Yeah, it's pretty weak, but Nikishin and Demidov are still the best... kinda weird logic. And I named players who are almost certainly better than Demidov right now.

 

[Fatass]

Yeah, it's pretty weak, but Nikishin and Demidov are still the best... kinda weird logic. And I named players who are almost certainly better than Demidov right now.

Hard to judge guys coming out of the Russian leagues right now. Their domestic game is on a downturn. US college hockey and Major Junior are on the upswing.

 

[Remparts666]

U25 only.

My top5

Nikishin
Shabanov
Gritsyuk
Aimurzin
Demidov/Buchelnikov

Yeah, all are from the KHL, because the transition from the KHL to NHL usually goes the smoothest way (look at Michkov, Voronkov and Tsyplakov, who played in the "terrible KHL" and still made the big league).

Would you agree that shabanov at 5,8 is most likely a bust at the nhl level ? How he is different than a Vladimir tkachev that has all the skills but could not handle the physicality of the nhl ?

 

[Kshahdoo]

Would you agree that shabanov at 5,8 is most likely a bust at the nhl level ? How he is different than a Vladimir tkachev that has all the skills but could not handle the physicality of the nhl ?

Weren't there even smaller players in the league? And given Shabanov's skating, shot and IQ I'm pretty sure his chances to become a legit (at the least) NHLer are pretty good.

 

[Fyodorov]

1. Demidov
2. Nikishin
3. Schaefer
4. Misa
5. Fowler

Interesting topic. Im thinking there are US college and Major Junior players that will become the best NHLers. That Russian league is pretty weak. Guys who can’t make it in the nhl are stars over there.

Very funny to see the whole "KHL is so weak" takes still coming up after the massive L tons of posters here have taken in the Bedard vs. Michkov comparisons.

 

[mphmiles]

Ryan Leonard.

 

[deca guard]

i only pay attention to detroit prospects and watch grandrapidsgriffins , and will say that cossa has to be one of the top goalies not in nhl .
very good latteral movement at an athletic 6'7'' , makes pad saves that very few could with his long
quick legs

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

Very funny to see the whole "KHL is so weak" takes still coming up after the massive L tons of posters here have taken in the Bedard vs. Michkov comparisons.

Have they taken a massive L? Bedard isn’t living up to the hype, he’s had a bad year. But the guy put up 61 points in 68 games last year on a historically bad Hawks team.

He’s still out producing Michkov this year, despite having a terrible season.