Who's the best goalie in the NHL?

[HabzSauce]

I don't think anyone in their right mind would take Ullmark over Helle/Sheshterkin, but I agree he should be on the list

 

[Deno]

This year it is Helle then the rest.
It is not even close.
Now come the POs????

 

[cneely]

Helle's playoffs are being overly criticized. His career Sv% is .911. Not great but not horrible, and it's been dragged down by a couple of bad series against Vegas and Colorado when the entire team forgot to play defence. He's also had playoff years of .931 and .922.

 

[Bouboumaster]

It's hard to argue against Hellebuyck right now

He must prove himself in the playoffs tho

 

[Adam da bomb]

Ok cool go argue with someone else then. I have no bone in this fight just giving my opinion. My opinion on playoff performance can be backed by numbers tho so not sure why you chose to ignore that part of my argument ?


Lol ok forgive me let me try again

2021/2022
Sheshterkin - 1st
Helle - 8th

2022/2023 (wash)
Helle - 4th
Sheshterkin - 5th

2023/2024
Helle - 1st
Sheshterkin - 12th

2024/2025 (wash)
Helle - 2nd
Sheshterkin - 3rd

What am I missing here? Here's playoffs too:

2020/2021
Helle - 3rd
Sheshterkin - DNQ

2021/2022
Sheshterkin - 1st
Helle - DNQ

2022/2023
Sheshterkin - 2nd
Helle - 23rd

2023/2024
Sheshterkin - 2nd
Helle - 27th (dead last)

I’m sorry I don’t follow your math. How is 1 and 2 a wash? How is 2 and 3 a wash? One seems to be lower and the other higher.

 

[NVious]

I'd take Shesty due to his awesome playoff stats, but no doubt Helle has been cooking this year, we'll see what he does come playoff time though.

For me they are A1/A2 and then everybody else on that list.

 

[BB79]

Georgiev

 

[HabzSauce]

I’m sorry I don’t follow your math. How is 1 and 2 a wash? How is 2 and 3 a wash? One seems to be lower and the other higher.

Yea its like player A finishing with 55 goals while player B finishes with 53 goals. Essentially a wash when we're trying to discuss who is the better player

 

[Adam da bomb]

Yea its like player A finishing with 55 goals while player B finishes with 53 goals. Essentially a wash when we're trying to discuss who is the better player

I don’t know if I agree with your logic. If mcdavid wins the Ross by 2 points I don’t care how many goals or points the other guy got because Mcdavid won. The rest becomes a footmark to either be forgotten in history.
To follow your example the player with 55 points won and no one will remember how close it is.
I also don’t see where you get Shest number 2 for this season. He has half the shut outs and all his other stats are lower and there are quite a few goalies in between.
I could see the argument Helly is better in regular season and Shest in playoffs. Then if Helly leads his team deep or shesty puts up big regular seasons that may change in the future.

 

[123offtheglass]

Suprised this isn't way closer between Shesterkin, Hellebuyck & Jarry

 

[HabzSauce]

I don’t know if I agree with your logic. If mcdavid wins the Ross by 2 points I don’t care how many goals or points the other guy got because Mcdavid won. The rest becomes a footmark to either be forgotten in history.
To follow your example the player with 55 points won and no one will remember how close it is.
I also don’t see where you get Shest number 2 for this season. He has half the shut outs and all his other stats are lower and there are quite a few goalies in between.
I could see the argument Helly is better in regular season and Shest in playoffs. Then if Helly leads his team deep or shesty puts up big regular seasons that may change in the future.

For objective awards like art ross for sure, nobody remembers 2nd place. But we are talking about who is the best here, this debate can't be won simply because one had a higher number than the other.

So a player who had 55 goals vs 53 goals is a wash in this sense. It's way too close to determine who is the best "goal scorer" simply off that metric alone. You'd have to go deeper

For context, that poster I was responding to was using advanced analytics statsheet as a suggestion to say Helle is clearly better. I was talking his language and debating his logic. And that list was just regular season. If you look at that same list for playoffs, it heavily favours Shesty by a long shot

NHL Goalie Advanced Stats 2024-2025

 

[Adam da bomb]

For objective awards like art ross for sure, nobody remembers 2nd place. But we are talking about who is the best here, this debate can't be won simply because one had a higher number than the other.

So a player who had 55 goals vs 53 goals is a wash in this sense. It's way too close to determine who is the best "goal scorer" simply off that metric alone. You'd have to go deeper

For context, that poster I was responding to was using advanced analytics statsheet as a suggestion to say Helle is clearly better. I was talking his language and debating his logic. And that list was just regular season. If you look at that same list for playoffs, it heavily favours Shesty by a long shot

NHL Goalie Advanced Stats 2024-2025

If you go by the website link you sent me it shows Helly with a fairly wide margin this season and a few players between the 2 and it looks like Logan Thompson and Dostal have a better case for 2nd this year then Shesty. Dostal is also doing it on a worse team.

 

[Bleedred]

Grubauer

 

[Hunter368]

Lopsided result, closed