Who wins the Art Ross in 2021 - An Edmonton Oiler player - or someone from another team?

[Regal]

I'd give a slight edge to Edmonton. Their PP won't connect at 30% again, but McDavid is still the favourite and there's probably only a handful of guys who could make a run if everything goes right. Having 2 players also helps protect against injury which is one of the reasons for the field usually being the best answer.

 

[The Moose is Loose]

I think 1 of the Oilers centers will win the Art Ross. Due to voter fatigue I don’t think that’ll nessecarily mean the Hart as well.

 

[Varan]

I mean he only won the Ross twice in 5 years - and didn't deserve it any of the other years. Your post seems to imply he lost out on some Rosses he should have won, which isn't true.

His rookie season he was a rookie but not close to Ross.
2017 and 2018 he won.
2019 he got beat fair and square by Kucherov, comfortably.
Last year - he also got beat fair and square by Drai.

I don't see how injuries cost him a single art ross. He missed games in 2019 and 2020, but both years his ppg was behind. Could he have won playing all games? Maybe - but since his ppg was behind, you don't really call it that way. It'd be akin to saying Crosby could have won the Ross in 2008. Could he have? Sure maybe - but considering Ovi beat him in ppg in more games, you don't really call that.

There's also a ton of talent in this league. If someone like Kucherov and Drai can have career years and best McDavid - no reason that talents like Matthews, Eichel or Mack couldn't have career years in the near future too where their best might shoot up significantly.



It was clearly a joke lol. No need to get so worked up...

I said the only reason he lost was either due to injuries or an aberration season from Kucherov. He put up a point total that no one has hit since Wayne freaking Gretzky in '94. In a normal year, he wins clean.

He lost out on a potential Ross this past season. He was staying with Leon in points. Was it 100% that he wins had he played every game? No, but definitely increases his chances considering Leon was his only competition because they were so far ahead of everyone else.

 

[SotasicA]

Oilers, because of Turris and Puljujarvi. And who's the German guy who played for the Blackhawks whose name starts with a K? Him. Kahun.

 

[DJJones]

Gotta think it'll be one of the Edmonton guys. Play 22-25 minutes, like 90% of PP time, play style aims for 5-4 games. That's a huge advantage to most guys.

Maybe MacKinnon if they stack the top line and stay healthy.

Rangers might just go all out defense though. Panarin maybe has a chance.

Lightning are going to half ass it for half a year again

 

[The Abusement Park]

Panarin was more valuable than MacK was if you ask me

Was he though? Hall won purely because of the lead on his teammates in points yet Mack had the biggest difference and didn’t get it this year.

In all seriousness the correct pick was Drai, but Mack was the only other person who had an argument imo.

 

[The Beyonder]

Always play the field. Injuries happen.

 

[McFlash97]

Gotta think it'll be one of the Edmonton guys. Play 22-25 minutes, like 90% of PP time, play style aims for 5-4 games. That's a huge advantage to most guys.

Maybe MacKinnon if they stack the top line and stay healthy.

Rangers might just go all out defense though. Panarin maybe has a chance.

Lightning are going to half ass it for half a year again

Why dont you just say McDavid and Draisaitl will win it because they are outright the best offensive players in hockey. Those 2 drag the entire team with them. Which is more then anyone else does. They get those PP minutes because they are dam good at it. Better then anyone else.

 

[aufheben]

Plot twist: Nugent-Hopkins

 

[DownIsTheNewUp]

Why dont you just say McDavid and Draisaitl will win it because they are outright the best offensive players in hockey. Those 2 drag the entire team with them. Which is more then anyone else does. They get those PP minutes because they are dam good at it. Better then anyone else.

Yeah for some reason nobody else on the Oilers can score. *Finds out McD and Drai get 87% of the PP time.

 

[snipes]

Yeah for some reason nobody else on the Oilers can score. *Finds out McD and Drai get 87% of the PP time.

Probably the driving force behind why the Oilers just had the best PP since the 1970s.

It was clinical this year, if teams started taking trips to the penalty box it was game over once the PP would click for 2-3 goals in a game.

 

[Fatass]

Marner wins it.

 

[DownIsTheNewUp]

Probably the driving force behind why the Oilers just had the best PP since the 1970s.

It was clinical this year, if teams started taking trips to the penalty box it was game over once the PP would click for 2-3 goals in a game.

I don't doubt they are very good at it, but that's not a recipe for long term success. When you're basically giving a few guys all of the opportunities, you are risking the development of the rest of the team. Playing your two stars more than any other forwards in the league, giving them almost all the powerplay time, letting them run and gun with little regard for defense, there's no question why Edmonton can't seem to develop their other talent or build much team success. But hey, if that's the recipe you guys like, keep with it. It'll definitely win more scoring titles.

 

[DJJones]

Why dont you just say McDavid and Draisaitl will win it because they are outright the best offensive players in hockey. Those 2 drag the entire team with them. Which is more then anyone else does. They get those PP minutes because they are dam good at it. Better then anyone else.

There's lots of gifted offensive players.

No one else are getting those minutes with no expectation of playing defense. That's a gigantic advantage.

Eichel might be another one now that I think about it. They'll still suck but they should be able to score

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

I don't doubt they are very good at it, but that's not a recipe for long term success. When you're basically giving a few guys all of the opportunities, you are risking the development of the rest of the team. Playing your two stars more than any other forwards in the league, giving them almost all the powerplay time, letting them run and gun with little regard for defense, there's no question why Edmonton can't seem to develop their other talent or build much team success. But hey, if that's the recipe you guys like, keep with it. It'll definitely win more scoring titles.

Umm. You’re seriously holding the Oilers back because they aren’t developing their players on the power play? What ass backwards line of thinking is this?

I guess Pittsburgh for example should stop playing Crosby and Malkin on the PP. better to develop other players. Ditto for Colorado with Mackinnon and Rantanen. Tampa should just staple Kucherov and Hedman to the bench too, after all, gotta develop players.

Teams win by playing their best players.

 

[stl76]

Always. Take. The. Field.

I’m genuinely surprised at the result of this poll.

 

[Dan Kelly]

Connor McDraisaitl

 

[McFlash97]

There's lots of gifted offensive players.

No one else are getting those minutes with no expectation of playing defense. That's a gigantic advantage.

Eichel might be another one now that I think about it. They'll still suck but they should be able to score

McDavid and Draisaitl are a step above. Only an outlier season by Kucherov is in thier league.

 

[jetsforever]

Yeah probably Drai or Neal or one of those guys

 

[The Abusement Park]

Always. Take. The. Field.

I’m genuinely surprised at the result of this poll.

Unless it's Ovi for a Rocket.

 

[DownIsTheNewUp]

Umm. You’re seriously holding the Oilers back because they aren’t developing their players on the power play? What ass backwards line of thinking is this?

I guess Pittsburgh for example should stop playing Crosby and Malkin on the PP. better to develop other players. Ditto for Colorado with Mackinnon and Rantanen. Tampa should just staple Kucherov and Hedman to the bench too, after all, gotta develop players.

Teams win by playing their best players.

Crosby and Malkin, Mackinnon and Rantanen, Kucherov and Hedman, none of the guys have ever approached 87% powerplay time. But it's much more than the powerplay, as I said. It's also total ice time, it's the style of play. It's like the Oilers coaching staff would rather their stars win individual awards than team ones. And the results speak for themselves.
I've seen my team play a run and gun style, Kucherov scored 128 points, then the running and gunning got them swept in the playoffs. I've also seen them commit to team defense, the scoring stats took a little dip, and they took home the cup. I'm not saying the Oilers have the same depth Tampa has they they can immediately make a switch, but the depth came to Tampa because they played the long game. Kucherov has never had a season average over 20:00 TOI. Tampa always runs with 2 PP lines. When the PP1 goes through a slump, the PP2 picks up the slack. Wins are a team effort, every player contributes in a meaningful way.
In contrast the Oilers philosophy seems to be "McD and Drai will handle the scoring, everyone else don't F anything up". I watched the Oilers playoff games, McDavid is an unbelievable talent, but he got burned badly several times in his own end. If the Oilers will ever be contenders there's a lot that has to change.

 

[Eternal Leaf]

Why dont you just say McDavid and Draisaitl will win it because they are outright the best offensive players in hockey. Those 2 drag the entire team with them. Which is more then anyone else does. They get those PP minutes because they are dam good at it. Better then anyone else.

To be fair, his point doesn't have to be taken negatively.

An offense-first team will likely help its players rack up additional points. Even average players get a bump. Just 5-10 more points due to a team's playstyle can be a difference-maker at the top.

To the average person, a 110 point player and a 120 point player are both superstars. But in an Art Ross race, only one of them is taking the trophy.

It's kind of like how teams that play the trap negatively impact their players.

 

[Ruggle]

I'm going to guess Kucherov

 

[nobody]

I'm going to put Mitchell Marner's name in the hat. Auston Matthews too for that matter, specially if they're playing together. I think if they want to put themselves in the conversation for being one of the best players (top 5) in the league, there's no better time to do it.