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Speculation: Who Will the Rangers Target At the Center Position this Summer?

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Bird Law said:
Yes. If you disagree with me on that point I have to legitimately question whether or not you watched the games. I think anyone who watched could tell that MSL was downright snakebitten. After he scored, he gripped the stick looser and played better. It happens after a trade quite often, so it shouldn't be a shock to anyone.
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SO MSL demands a trade, goes the to exact team he wanted to but this bothered him? Yet Gaborik was also traded at the deadline and the opposite happened to him, strange.

You make too many excuses for these guys.
 
Radek27 said:
SO MSL demands a trade, goes the to exact team he wanted to but this bothered him? Yet Gaborik was also traded at the deadline and the opposite happened to him, strange.

You make too many excuses for these guys.
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I need you to cite where I said it happens after every trade.

I also find it comical that you don't think being traded to a place you demanded to be traded to wouldn't bring some added pressure to make an immediate impact.
 
Bird Law said:
Yes. If you disagree with me on that point I have to legitimately question whether or not you watched the games. I think anyone who watched could tell that MSL was downright snakebitten. After he scored, he gripped the stick looser and played better. It happens after a trade quite often, so it shouldn't be a shock to anyone.
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He was definitely pressing after the trade.

It looked as if the regular season ending took a huge weight off of his shoulders as he could just look at the playoffs as a new task and get into a routine.

Then his Mom passed and it turned into sheer motivation.

Not that he wasn't motivated before that, but you get where i am coming from.
 
-31- said:
I legitimately thought you were joking.

How is it arbitrary? There are thirty teams in the league. Each team has a top line and each line has a center on it.
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Petr Nedved was a real #1 center in your eyes then? He was our top center but that didn't make him a true #1
 
Bird Law said:
I need you to cite where I said it happens after every trade.

I also find it comical that you don't think being traded to a place you demanded to be traded to wouldn't bring some added pressure to make an immediate impact.
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I bolded it for you when I quoted, and I never stated EVERY but you did state Edit: Quite often
 
ElectrocutedCat said:
He was definitely pressing after the trade.

It looked as if the regular season ending took a huge weight off of his shoulders as he could just look at the playoffs as a new task and get into a routine.

Then his Mom passed and it turned into sheer motivation.

Not that he wasn't motivated before that, but you get where i am coming from.
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Exactly.

And with Nash, I think the dude just lets **** get to him. I mean, it's no real excuse since I think he's a mentally weak player, but it's obvious the playoff disappointment label effects him. It does need to change, though.

BrianBoyle said:
Yeah, when most people are discussing whether a player is a "1C" or not, it's about capability, not their literal spot in the lineup.
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I agree.
 
mrjimmyg89 said:
A two or 3 year deal works for me. If Miller is ready, you can always trade him. He will have value as a player. If he hurts due to needing to pay a guy, he would still be a decent commodity come year 2 or 3. Anything more is killer. He does have trade value at a 4 million per season deal.
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That'd work for me.
 
BrianBoyle said:
That's looking at it in a straight bare bones way. Unless you think Erik Christensen was a capable 1C.
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There were many teams with two or more centers that were better than Christensen. Likewise, Malkin is good enough to be a #1 center on most teams in the league.

This is one of my least favorite frequent debates, but I think if your reasoning leads to you concluding there are 13 number one centers in a thirty team league, you should stop trying to reason forever.
 
-31- said:
There were many teams with two or more centers that were better than Christensen. Likewise, Malkin is good enough to be a #1 center on most teams in the league.

This is one of my least favorite frequent debates, but I think if your reasoning leads to you concluding there are 13 number one centers in a thirty team league, you should stop trying to reason forever.
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Again, it's about capability, not their literal spot.

I'm not even saying a number - I think it's mainly a subjective thing.
 
Bird Law said:
You're right. I did say most. I have no idea why you would think some random trade from some random player would refute what I said.
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I find it funny that you won't even consider any other reason why he didn't not perform except for being snakebitten. I mean the guy is pushing 40 there is no way his skill is starting to deteriorate, right? Another great player that got to us way too late in his career, some old song and dance with the Rangers.
 
BrianBoyle said:
Again, it's about capability, not their literal spot.
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Exactly, there are 30 players capable of being the best center on at least one team in the league, no matter how the players are dispersed.

The literal opposite of arbitrary.
 
-31- said:
There were many teams with two or more centers that were better than Christensen. Likewise, Malkin is good enough to be a #1 center on most teams in the league.

This is one of my least favorite frequent debates, but I think if your reasoning leads to you concluding there are 13 number one centers in a thirty team league, you should stop trying to reason forever.
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Saying that there are 13 #1 centers is a lot more easy to defend than saying there are 30.
 
-31- said:
Exactly, there are 30 players capable of being the best center on at least one team in the league, no matter how the players are dispersed.

The literal opposite of arbitrary.
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No. It's the exact definition of arbitrary since you are arbitrarily picking a fixed amount of players based on the teams in the league. Just because there are 30 teams does not mean there are 30 #1 centers.

That's the single laziest argument I have ever heard.

30 TEAMS MEANS 30 CENTERS, BRAH.
 
BobMarleyNYR said:
So now that we're all of the mind that a 1C is a subjective thing based on skill/output to date... is Stepan still a 1C?
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Is he our top center? Yes.

Is he a true #1? I'm not sold on a yes or no answer yet, still room for improvement in his game and he's a very smart player.
 
Radek27 said:
I find it funny that you won't even consider any other reason why he didn't not perform except for being snakebitten. I mean the guy is pushing 40 there is no way his skill is starting to deteriorate, right? Another great player that got to us way too late in his career, some old song and dance with the Rangers.
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That's what I questioned, too... let's hope not...
 
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