Who will end up as a better player: Bedard, Celebrini, Michkov, Demidov or Hutson?

[RDTBay4]

Hutson, easily.

 

[The Last Red]

Demidov is 100% not selectable from this group as your first choice. He simply has no basis for reasonable comparison, at his ability to compete in the best league in the world, against the very best players. He could be awesome....but so can the others who are already proving it. He's #5.

Next? Kind of impossible to pick. You have the B2B consensus #1 picks, who were hyped as the very best of the best of their draft class, and potential Tip-top NHL players. And centres to boot. They haven't disappointed...much. Bedard was touted as a Crosby-type generational impact, and whilst he's not quite lived up to the massive hype, he has been absoltely fantastic for his age, and linemates! Celebrini was somewhat less touted, but demonstrates a rounder game at this point, which may stifle the point-earning side of things that truly defines the very best of what the NHL has to offer...defense, well, that is not flashy.

Celebrini and Bedard are doing awesome, I give the edge to Bedard via the offense, which trumps the all-around game when picking the superstar you want.

Michkov ranks slighly slightly behind Celebrini, almost the same. He has more offensive oomph, and substantially less defensive oomph. But it is awfully close, and could easily still end up being flipped, even in this year's Calder voting.

Ranking Lane Hutson is the hardest of all, and versus his forward opponents. It's very difficult to do. He's been fantastic at his job. He belongs in the grouping though.

On a scale of 1 to 10, here's my final rankings:

Bedard 9.00
Celebrini 8.95
Hutson 8.90
Michkov 8.90

Demidov 5.00

For comparisons:

McDavid 9.90
Barkov 9.50
Hellebucky? 9.30
Justin Wolff 8.50 (he's only getting knocked down because of his up and down position)

We’ll find out in a decade but to say that Demidov is “not selectable from this group” because he doesn’t yet play in the NHL makes no sense.

 

[eramosat]

We’ll find out in a decade but to say that Demidov is “not selectable from this group” because he doesn’t yet play in the NHL is F’ing idiotic, like elite level.

I think he just needs to prove it first. Just a bit. Before it makes sense to try and rank him for all-time greatness against players who already have. Anything else is, as you say, "F'ing idiotic, like elite level.".

If you want to pick him first, go ahead. I'll be interested in how you explain it.

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

I think he just needs to prove it first. Just a bit. Before it makes sense to try and rank him for all-time greatness against players who already have. Anything else is, as you say, "F'ing idiotic, like elite level.".

If you want to pick him first, go ahead. I'll be interested in how you explain it.

Well-reasoned response to a rather aggressive post. Bedard woulda been ranked best until they actually hit the NHL, it’s just impossible to predict that jump with 100% accuracy. The best scouts make ok money making occasionally awful calls.

 

[The Last Red]

I think he just needs to prove it first. Just a bit. Before it makes sense to try and rank him for all-time greatness against players who already have. Anything else is, as you say, "F'ing idiotic, like elite level.".

If you want to pick him first, go ahead. I'll be interested in how you explain it.

I’m not picking him first. You clearly have reading comprehension issues.

 

[Kojo]

Celebrini
Hutson
Demidov
Bedard

Michkov

I would put Bedard in the second tier but that's my ranking too.

 

[pandro]

1. Bedard = McDavid
3. Michkov = Kucherov
2. Celebrini = Barkov
4. Hutson = Subban
5. Demidov = Galchenyuk

Some good catches there

The way I see it, there are only two paths for those guys:

Bedard = Wayne Gretzky
Celebrini = Mark Messier
Michkov = Jaromir Jagr
Demidov = Gordie Howe
Hutson = Ray Bourque

OR

Bedard = Mikhail Grabovski
Celebrini = Jesperi Kotkaniemi
Michkov = Artturi Lehkonen
Demidov = Alex Galchenyuk
Hutson = Alexander Romanov

 

[Patty Ice]

The anti-habs bias in these types of threads is always amusing.

Only to be balanced by the blatant Habs homerism.

Where else would you find Hutson/Demidov to close to call for the highest rank sans the Habs board?

 

[Devonator]

Michkov.....in the long run it will be Michkov....

 

[Sharksfan66]

Sharks fan here. I think it will go:

Bedard
Celebrini

Demidov
Michkov
Hutson

But Michkov will probably have the most amazing highlight real goals of them all.

 

[Leafs87]

Same way people (self included) were sleeping on J.Hughes is how Bedard is being overlooked. I’d say he still holds the highest potential. He and Michkov are in worse positions than the rest. Also I dunno how people are ranking Demidov higher than rookies who are or have been near PPG. He should either be left off the list until he plays or below guys who have already proven they can play and contribute in the NHL.

 

[winnipegger]

Celebrini
Hutson
Michkov
Bedard
Demidov

 

[Kojo]

Same way people (self included) were sleeping on J.Hughes is how Bedard is being overlooked. I’d say he still holds the highest potential. He and Michkov are in worse positions than the rest. Also I dunno how people are ranking Demidov higher than rookies who are or have been near PPG. He should either be left off the list until he plays or below guys who have already proven they can play and contribute in the NHL.

Demidov's biggest fan is Lane Hutson. He's the best player outside of the NHL.

 

[CatOTails]

Would make sense to wait and see Demidov play at least a single NHL game before ranking him. you know..

 

[TheLegend27]

Demidov is 100% not selectable from this group as your first choice. He simply has no basis for reasonable comparison, at his ability to compete in the best league in the world, against the very best players. He could be awesome....but so can the others who are already proving it. He's #5.

Next? Kind of impossible to pick. You have the B2B consensus #1 picks, who were hyped as the very best of the best of their draft class, and potential Tip-top NHL players. And centres to boot. They haven't disappointed...much. Bedard was touted as a Crosby-type generational impact, and whilst he's not quite lived up to the massive hype, he has been absoltely fantastic for his age, and linemates! Celebrini was somewhat less touted, but demonstrates a rounder game at this point, which may stifle the point-earning side of things that truly defines the very best of what the NHL has to offer...defense, well, that is not flashy.

Celebrini and Bedard are doing awesome, I give the edge to Bedard via the offense, which trumps the all-around game when picking the superstar you want.

Michkov ranks slighly slightly behind Celebrini, almost the same. He has more offensive oomph, and substantially less defensive oomph. But it is awfully close, and could easily still end up being flipped, even in this year's Calder voting.

Ranking Lane Hutson is the hardest of all, and versus his forward opponents. It's very difficult to do. He's been fantastic at his job. He belongs in the grouping though.

On a scale of 1 to 10, here's my final rankings:

Bedard 9.00
Celebrini 8.95
Hutson 8.90
Michkov 8.90

Demidov 5.00

For comparisons:

McDavid 9.90
Barkov 9.50
Hellebucky? 9.30
Justin Wolff 8.50 (he's only getting knocked down because of his up and down position)

Demidov has a higher ppg in the KHL than Michkov did last year. we’ll see how it translates to the NHL. I wouldn’t say Bedard is doing too hot, considering he isn’t even leading in points on his own team.

 

[CostaRica]

1. Demidov the most highly skilled of the forwards by far
2. Celebrini the best combination of smarts and skill
3. Michkov selfish and skilled will score 50 but never reach 100 points
4. Bédard. Physically weak and spoiled he’ll get 100 points while his teams miss the playoffs.

1a Hutson. Hard to compare defensemen with forwards but he and Demidov will drive others team’s defenders crazy.

 

[Plastic Joseph]

Almost as amusing as Habs fan butthurtness in these threads.

The fact that our 2nd round pick is beating Celebrini and michkov for the calder is literally crazy.

These 2 have had insane hype for years. For a 2nd round undersized dman to straight up surpass them has been exhilarating.

Even if he ends up the worst of the bunch , it's a huge win. Can't lose IMO.

Demidov is the icing on the cake if he becomes a star. The future is bright for the habs

 

[Plastic Joseph]

Celebrini has to be #1 because he's the only true top line, all star center.

Then Michkov as I think he's a better winger than Bedard is.

Then Bedard.

Then Demidov.

Then Hutson.

Hutson last is really just a reflection of my opinion that he will get steamrolled in playoff hockey.

The goal posts keep getting moved though

First he would struggle in the nhl. Then when he excelled people said it was in meaningless because the habs were last in the east. Now he's leading a playoff push so people are saying he will fail in the playoffs.

Even if he does, hes a rookie dman. Players can improve a lot after age 20 or 21. Are you gonna be willing to admit you were wrong if he lights it up? Seems like most hutson haters can't and will probably say something like he won't play well in a SCF .

For a 2nd rounder, I don't think I've ever seen the bar be set so high for people cheering for him to fall

 

[luiginb]

The fact that our 2nd round pick is beating Celebrini and michkov for the calder is literally crazy.

He's two years older and playing with actual NHL players. When Lane and Mack were on the same team last year it was obvious who the better/more important player was.

 

[Plastic Joseph]

He's two years older and playing with actual NHL players. When Lane and Mack were on the same team last year it was obvious who the better/more important player was.

Hutson and Michkov are both 04s so he is not 2 years older than Michkov.

I agree he has a better situation in mtl it's just funny because at the start when the habs were bad it was "Hutson is only putting up pts on a bad team lol that can't play winning hockey"

Now that they're in the playoffs its."he has a great supporting cast"

Truth is in the middle. And no , I don't expect Hutson to be better than Celebrini. But players also develop differently. Hutson has been on a rapid rise for the last few years. Just because you were better at a younger age doesn't always mean you'll end up being a better player. Again, celebrini is still the right choice, but the gap has closed some

 

[luiginb]

Now that they're in the playoffs its."he has a great supporting cast"

I said NHL players, nothing about a great supporting cast. And my comparison was only to Macklin, haven't seen enough of Michkov to have an opinion/care. Agree with everything else you've said.

 

[Jaska]

Hutson is an easy choice.

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[HawksDub89]

I would add that I think Leo Carlsson could end up a better player than Demidov too. (Not to say Demidov sucks or anything, but Center v winger)

Shout out to the guy who mentioned donato lol. Elite troll, I respect it.

Fwiw my top grouping of Bedard, Michkov and Celebrini was in no order.

I do agree that Celebrini probably ends up the most valuable. Bedard and Michkov both 100 point wingers.

These threads are always great to revisit. Habs fans you guys are great, nothing personal. Montreal is amazing. But you’re insanely bias sometimes with your prospects. I love the passion though.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

He's two years older and playing with actual NHL players. When Lane and Mack were on the same team last year it was obvious who the better/more important player was.

False. It's an assumption you made based on forward bias. BU was great the year before without Celebrini, and Hutson was their clear MVP.

Also, again, a defenseman being two years older is the norm. There has been a lot more 18 years old centermen then there has been defensemen coming into the league. This is because defense is the hardest position to master other than goaltending.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Only to be balanced by the blatant Habs homerism.

Where else would you find Hutson/Demidov to close to call for the highest rank sans the Habs board?

I see a lot more posts putting Hutson and Demidov both last than there are posts putting them both first. Wanna count them? Being biased doesn't counter bias. Doing so just shows an immaturity that is rampant on the main, notwithstanding Habs fans.