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It's a very real possibility he gets close to 100 points again. EDM's PP is still insane and adding Connor Brown should help a lot as well. I think he ends up in the 90s for points.
Who will be the RNH or Chris Kreider of this season?
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I could see Hyman pulling a Kreider and scoring 50 goals. He's a streaky scorer and goes on pretty impressive scoring runs. If he cut out a few scoring droughts, he'd be there
He plays with McDrai, plays on the best PP in history, and has been steadily improving offensively each year
He plays with McDrai, plays on the best PP in history, and has been steadily improving offensively each year
I say it every year but maybe this year it is true: Brock Boeser
It can happen I hadbeen waiting for Hopkins to put together a full season at the level you can see he is capable of at times too and I finally got it.
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That was arguably Karlsson last season lol. For entertainment sake and wanting the pens window to extend a bit more I hope it wasn’t just an outlier, but it could have been as Josi’s was a couple years ago
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Tyler Bertuzzi - Hyman & Bunting have both seen huge offensive improvement playing with Matthews and Bertuzzi has a better track record.
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From Dobber Hockey a couple months ago:
Nugent-Hopkins led the league with 39 secondary assists, with the next-highest total being 34. His secondary assist rate had jumped from about 45% over the last few seasons to 58% in 2022-23. That's a fairly high normal rate for secondary assists, which might be indicative of a player riding the coattails of Connor McDavid and Leon Draisaitl on the Oilers power play. In fact, Nugent-Hopkins also led all players with 25 secondary power-play assists, with the next-highest total being 20.
Overall, the Nuge had recorded 67 assists total for his first 100-point season, a total that was rather unexpected considering that he never previously even had a 70-point season. A point decline, and maybe even a sharp one, seems to be in the cards here. Even a small decline on the Edmonton power play could have an adverse impact on his numbers, as over half of RNH's assists were on the power play (38 PPA). Just over half of his overall points (53 of 104) were on the power play. A McDavid or Draisaitl injury could also cut into Nugent-Hopkins' scoring.
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I don't know what that means but sure why not!
I'm thinking 75+ points for Barbashev if he plays next to Eichel all year (although I certainly wouldn't bet money on it).
I'm praying you are right about Coyle/Zacha. It'd be real dope if that could happen.
His goals will come down…he shot way, way above his career average last season.
But I don’t see any reason to doubt his assist totals on this Edmonton team, secondary or not. I know secondary and PP assists are generally more volatile categories but what reason do we have to think the Edmonton PP and offense in general will be less potent next year? We can play the “what of his linemates get injured” game with anybody.
The thing is - in 2023 with all the advanced data we have, I don’t think anybody is claiming RNH is a 100 point superstar in the way have thought of that number as representing some sort of tentpole franchise building block. We know that’s not the case. But if the question is simply, are his counting stat totals repeatable - I’d lean towards “yeah, mostly I think”. Much more so than Kreider’s 21-22 goal total…and that’s not to diminish Kreider who was still a very, very effective player last season.
I'll throw out a handful of names. Something like this is largely dependent on usage, linemates, etc..
Think the Flames have a few candidates. Unless Coleman and some of their younger players take all the remaining top 6 spots there, it wouldn't be hard to envision Dubé, Sharangovich and/or Mangiapane taking a big leap. If the Flames get a bounce back year from Huberdeau and/or Lindholm, one of those guys above could be the beneficiary playing alongside one or both of them.
If Drouin can actually stay healthy he could be a candidate. Not sure if he gets the chance to play with MacKinnon but maybe they rekindle some junior magic. Obviously there's some history there
We'll keep with the same theme here.. Connor Brown is gonna be with Edmonton this year. McDavid and Brown spent 2 years playing together in Erie. He's coming off knee surgery so expectations should be realistic but if he gets the opportunity to play with McDavid or Draisaitl it wouldn't be hard to envision Brown having a career year.
Duclair averaged ~15mins a game during his time in Florida. The most he's ever played was averaging 16 minutes on a bad Ottawa squad where the highest scorer finished with 44 points. Looking at that Sharks roster, he has a chance to play the most he's ever played this year. Playing next to Hertl or Couture won't hurt either. Probably ends up a deadline acquisition so it'll be interesting to see how that may or may not affect his minutes.
Not sure if Domi fits since he did notch a 70 point season. He hasn't been able to replicate that success so maybe he still fits the bill. Obviously there's that Marner-Domi junior connection, don't know if he'll get that opportunity but it'll be something to watch for.
People mentioned Boeser.. he's always been a good player. He's paced +60 point seasons but has yet to hit that mark. It almost seems weird to say because just yesterday it feels like that kid was a star in the making. Still feels that way.. I think of all the names mentioned he's one of the safer bets. Definitely another level he can reach.
Wheeler and PLD are gone from Winnipeg. Ehlers will be someone to watch for this year. Feel like he's one of the more underrated wingers in the league. You look at his last 4 seasons.. over a full 82 games he's paced anywhere from at the lowest, 67 points and the highest 80 points. If he can stay healthy, a line of him, Connor and Scheifele is a dangerous line
Think the Flames have a few candidates. Unless Coleman and some of their younger players take all the remaining top 6 spots there, it wouldn't be hard to envision Dubé, Sharangovich and/or Mangiapane taking a big leap. If the Flames get a bounce back year from Huberdeau and/or Lindholm, one of those guys above could be the beneficiary playing alongside one or both of them.
If Drouin can actually stay healthy he could be a candidate. Not sure if he gets the chance to play with MacKinnon but maybe they rekindle some junior magic. Obviously there's some history there
We'll keep with the same theme here.. Connor Brown is gonna be with Edmonton this year. McDavid and Brown spent 2 years playing together in Erie. He's coming off knee surgery so expectations should be realistic but if he gets the opportunity to play with McDavid or Draisaitl it wouldn't be hard to envision Brown having a career year.
Duclair averaged ~15mins a game during his time in Florida. The most he's ever played was averaging 16 minutes on a bad Ottawa squad where the highest scorer finished with 44 points. Looking at that Sharks roster, he has a chance to play the most he's ever played this year. Playing next to Hertl or Couture won't hurt either. Probably ends up a deadline acquisition so it'll be interesting to see how that may or may not affect his minutes.
Not sure if Domi fits since he did notch a 70 point season. He hasn't been able to replicate that success so maybe he still fits the bill. Obviously there's that Marner-Domi junior connection, don't know if he'll get that opportunity but it'll be something to watch for.
People mentioned Boeser.. he's always been a good player. He's paced +60 point seasons but has yet to hit that mark. It almost seems weird to say because just yesterday it feels like that kid was a star in the making. Still feels that way.. I think of all the names mentioned he's one of the safer bets. Definitely another level he can reach.
Wheeler and PLD are gone from Winnipeg. Ehlers will be someone to watch for this year. Feel like he's one of the more underrated wingers in the league. You look at his last 4 seasons.. over a full 82 games he's paced anywhere from at the lowest, 67 points and the highest 80 points. If he can stay healthy, a line of him, Connor and Scheifele is a dangerous line
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Care to explain your stance of "yeah, mostly I think"? You started by saying off the bat his goals will come down. That's an understatement. If he shot his career average of 12.2 (which was propped up by this last season by the way) his goals already drop by 12. As identified earlier, his secondary assist rate, the most volatile stat which we both agree on, happened to also be highest in the NHL. And you're suggesting he improves by 30% on the far and away highest secondary assist total in the league to compensate for his goals inevitably dropping to reach 100 points again?
I like Mangiapane’s counting stats to rebound the most of the Flames forwards. His underlying offensive numbers were still awesome last year.
I think it’s likely that was a career year. But I think he can keep that assist total around the same level. And it’s not unfathomable to think he’s just developed into a more reliable scorer - yes, the shooting percentage last year may be an outlier but he may very well shoot above his career percentage again if he’s simply upped that level of his game.
If he is say a 28 goal, 65 assist guy next year would that really be shocking? That’s still a 93 point player and within range enough of last season to say he’s a player in this particular situation who is so able to produce counting stats at an elite level…
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Would I be shocked that he posts 25 more assists and as many or more goals than 11 of his 12 other seasons at age 30? Yes. Of course I would. He wasn't just inserted on that powerplay last year.
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Aight, that’s fine. I understand what the metrics say. I’m not an Oilers fan or an RNH fan…there are 60 point players that I would take over him in a vacuum.
I guess I’m just saying on that Oilers team stapled to McDavid and Draisatl getting huge minutes and premium PP time…for him to continue scoring big counting stats would not be a shock..to me anyways. Just my gut feeling.
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Is it possible his shot improved? Because his shot certainly looked like more of a weapon last year than in seasons before.
Why would you think that having Karlsson on his pair would get him to double his point totals? I can’t think of a single example of something like that happening.
If anything, having Karlsson on his pair would mean Pettersson having the puck LESS in the offensive zone. Unless you think the Penguins are going to run a strategy where Pettersson continually shuffles the puck over for Karlsson and racks up secondary assists?
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I like the Bertuzzi and Zacha guesses. I’m going to go with Dougie Hamilton. On that Jersey team he could totally have a Josi year.
Max Domi will probably have a career season.
Erik Karlsson is coming off one of the best offensive seasons from a Dman in history and just got traded to a contender. He’s also been a multi time Norris winner and franchise D for a long time. What a bizarre comment.
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My guess - Meier . Going to go off for 104 points .
Not going to happen but I’m trying to will it to happen
Not going to happen but I’m trying to will it to happen
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Some good ones here, but also a lot of names on here who don’t fit the OP - too young or recently having a big year.
Tyler Toffoli pumping 73 at 30 after only once previously topping 50, Jeff Skinner had 82 points at 30 after 10 years of never being more than a 64-point man, Brandon Montour sinking 73 in his 7th season after never before topping 40, or Erik Karlsson topping 100 after only once topping 80 and that was 7 years prior - these are what we’re looking for - players who’ve been around 8 or 10 years who we think we know who they are.
Im going to offer Brayden Schenn, Taylor Hall Ryan Strome, Thomas Chabot, and James Van Reimsdyk
Tyler Toffoli pumping 73 at 30 after only once previously topping 50, Jeff Skinner had 82 points at 30 after 10 years of never being more than a 64-point man, Brandon Montour sinking 73 in his 7th season after never before topping 40, or Erik Karlsson topping 100 after only once topping 80 and that was 7 years prior - these are what we’re looking for - players who’ve been around 8 or 10 years who we think we know who they are.
Im going to offer Brayden Schenn, Taylor Hall Ryan Strome, Thomas Chabot, and James Van Reimsdyk
